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Mon Jul 26, 2021, 05:50 PM

A Branson Entertainer And Friend

just told me he was threatened for trying to advocate for the vaccine. Apparently some churches are saying it is made with aborted fetuses.

Let me be clear here: a guitarist just threatened a cast member to hit him over the head with his guitar if he continued to promote getting vaccinated.

Effed.

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Reply A Branson Entertainer And Friend (Original post)
Mrs. Claw Jul 2021 OP
blm Jul 2021 #1
WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #2
paleotn Jul 2021 #5
WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #6
paleotn Jul 2021 #7
Celerity Jul 2021 #9
WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #10
Celerity Jul 2021 #13
WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #15
Celerity Jul 2021 #16
Aristus Jul 2021 #3
wcmagumba Jul 2021 #4
Jim G. Jul 2021 #8
Piasladic Jul 2021 #17
Jim G. Jul 2021 #18
Piasladic Jul 2021 #19
demtenjeep Jul 2021 #11
Tomconroy Jul 2021 #12
maxsolomon Jul 2021 #14
canetoad Jul 2021 #20

Response to Mrs. Claw (Original post)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 05:57 PM

1. Geez

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Response to Mrs. Claw (Original post)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 05:57 PM

2. Pfizer and Moderna were tested on fetal cell lines descended from an abortion. The J&J vaccine is

is produced using fetal cell lines descended from an abortion. Both of these abortions were performed decades ago, and the cell lines are used for a wide variety of testing, development and production.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 06:08 PM

5. Then, to be consistent...

the god bothering wankers should reject all pharmaceuticals involved with said cell lines.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 06:10 PM

6. Some do for precisely that reason.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 06:14 PM

7. Human idiocy never ceases to amaze.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 06:50 PM

9. the Vatican says the Pfizer and Moderna aren't morally compromised, just the J & J is, and even then

and the Pope said any vaccines are ok due to the grave nature of the crisis.


https://www.cacatholic.org/CCC-vaccine-moral-acceptability

As the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines against COVID-19 become available, it is critically important that Catholics and others have an accurate understanding of how these vaccines may be viewed from the perspective of Catholic moral teaching and tradition. The Vatican’s doctrinal office, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), has determined that it is “morally acceptable” for Catholics to take these vaccines against the COVID-19 Virus. Their determination is deeply rooted in the Catholic moral tradition. A brief review of their discernment in reaching this determination will assist people as they consider use of these vaccine and other vaccines.

Vaccine development and production over the last several decades has often relied upon some cell lines that regrettably were originally developed from cells obtained from two fetuses that were aborted in the ‘70s and ‘80s. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are not dependent on these cell lines. They were developed using different technology relying on ribonucleic acid (RNA) from the virus itself. Even though the vaccines may have been tested using compromised cell lines, this does not establish a connection between the vaccine recipient and the abortion. Consequently, use of these vaccines is ethically sound.

Other vaccines in development (including AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson) have been developed from compromised cell lines. The specific moral questions are whether a recipient of these COVID-19 vaccines developed from such cell lines is morally complicit in the original abortions, and whether use of the vaccine will lead others to have abortions. According to Catholic moral teaching and tradition, it is morally unacceptable for an individual or institution to contribute to and influence an immoral act committed by another in a way that shows they approve or intend the immoral act. It is also wrong for them to contribute components that are essential to the immoral act, even if they do not intend the act of the other, and to lead others by example to engage in an immoral act.

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On December 21, 2020, the Vatican’s doctrinal office, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), issued a statement noting it is “morally acceptable” for Catholics to take vaccines against COVID-19. Among other things, the CDF stated:

"All vaccinations recognized as clinically safe and effective can be used in good conscience with the certain knowledge that the use of such vaccines does not constitute formal cooperation with the abortion from which the cells used in production of the vaccines derive” … “the morality of vaccination depends not only on the duty to protect one's own health, but also on the duty to pursue the common good."

"In the absence of other means to stop or even prevent the epidemic, the common good may recommend vaccination, especially to protect the weakest and most exposed."

Thus, the California Catholic Conference strongly encourages Catholics to receive a safe and effective COVID-19 vaccine for the sake of oneself, our loved ones, and the common good.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 06:59 PM

10. Evangelical Christians who aren't Catholic don't really care what the pope has to say, and

in fact if he says the vaccine is acceptable, that's enough to put them off it, lol.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 07:03 PM

13. yes, but the evangelical's argument (based off stem cells and abortion) completely falls apart

Pope/Catholics or no Pope/Catholics, when applied to the Pfizer and the Moderna mMRNA vaccines.

If they insist it doesn't then they are just gaslighting to avoid the vax.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 08:36 PM

15. For many evangelicals, their argument is, if it's connected even indirectly to an abortion, they

want no part of it. The cells used for testing (and, for J&J, production) came from fetal cell lines that were acquired from abortions decades ago. For some, that's still too close.

(Also, they're not gaslighting, they're just not arguing in good faith. Or, they're lying.)

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #15)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 08:43 PM

16. my definition of gaslighting in that regard is that they are knowingly misrepresenting things in

order to con people that they are taking some 'moral' high road

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Response to Mrs. Claw (Original post)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 06:05 PM

3. In backwoods, billy-bob Branson?

Color me shocked...

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Response to Mrs. Claw (Original post)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 06:38 PM

8. Cool Story Bro



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Response to Jim G. (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 11:04 PM

17. Exactly

When will people realize that some people are just posting for gain. It saddens me when I see people swallowing and funding grift.

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Response to Piasladic (Reply #17)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 11:16 PM

18. Well, Like The Story Of The Blindfolded Men Trying To Identify An Elephant...

By just touching one place, everyone here isn't aware of the full picture.

And many good-hearted people here take things at face value unfortunately.


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Response to Mrs. Claw (Original post)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 07:01 PM

11. it isn't Pierce Arrow is it?

that would make me sad

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Response to Mrs. Claw (Original post)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 07:02 PM

12. Branson was pretty much over

When Andy Williams died.

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Response to Mrs. Claw (Original post)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 07:14 PM

14. Anti-Abortion Rhetoric is dangerous:

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-asked-we-answered-do-the-covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells

No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain any aborted fetal cells.

However, Pfizer and Moderna did perform confirmation tests (to ensure the vaccines work) using fetal cell lines. And Johnson & Johnson uses fetal cell lines in vaccine development, confirmation and production.

But it's important to have the full context: Fetal cell lines are not the same as fetal tissue.

Fetal cell lines are cells that grow in a laboratory. They descend from cells taken from elective abortions in the 1970s and 1980s. Those individual cells from the 1970s and 1980s have since multiplied into many new cells over the past four or five decades, creating fetal cell lines. Current fetal cell lines are thousands of generations removed from the original fetal tissue. They do not contain any tissue from a fetus.

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Response to Mrs. Claw (Original post)

Tue Jul 27, 2021, 04:30 PM

20. Is that Pellucidly clear

Or just ordinary clear?

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