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[rampartc]

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[abqtommy]

1. Whatever we identify as, let's keep working together like we have when we elected Jimmy

Carter, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. Then we can all be called The
Winners!

[TheFarseer]

2. I think the difference is

Liberals focus more on social/cultural issues and Progressives focus more on economic issues. Agree or disagree?

[Sympthsical]

4. Liberals have wealth to protect

Liberals are socially liberal. But on economic issues, a kind of "I got mine," attitude permeates. Note all the "free stuff!", AOC bashing, Green New Deal sneering, intimating Sanders is only for white people (i.e. using social justice to attack economic justice), etc.

It's very conservative stuff. Right now we have a thread openly mocking a MFA protest. On an ostensible liberal board.

Progressives tend to be younger. Millennials are the main chunk (Zoomers are still very young). Student loan debt. Inadequate and unaffordable health care. Lower wages. Priced out of housing. Wealth inequality. The future of climate change.

Progressives zero in on these things in ways liberals do not, because it affects their lives so undeniably.

Once you've got yours, it's easy to cheer on social causes with bumper stickers and Twitter posts. What happens if actual economic policy changes would affect you?

Nope. Not gonna do it. No way.

And that is the great L/P divide, as I currently see it.

[AlexSFCA]

7. liberals support liberal market economy

[TheFarseer]

8. I would have to agree with you 100% nt

[Eko]

9. No, just no.

I'm a liberal and I think AOC is great, the GND is awesome and Sanders would have made a good president.

[uponit7771]

12. One can be progressive and liberal. There's no divide other than what the right comes up with seeing

... the definitions of the terms fit.

People focus on issues vs ideals that's not progressive or liberal

A person can want things to improve (progressive) and want a liberal (everyone included equally) democracy too.

Joe Biden is a progressive liberal for instance, he doesn't want everything to stay THE EXACT SAME as they are today (which is conservatism) but doesn't think burning it down is helpful either.

[betsuni]

14. Wrong.

[kcr]

17. No

Words do have meaning. Just because anyone can call themselves a Liberal doesn't mean the word has lost all meaning.

[aocommunalpunch]

28. I agree completely.

I'd say liberals want changes, but progressives need changes.

[rampartc]

6. liberals are interested in economic issues

one way to approach them is "the improvement of economic conditions will inevitably lead to improved social conditions. "

so, to answer your question, that is the simple answer.

[scarytomcat]

3. There was a time when both parties had people that were left and right

but mostly center or moderate was the position.
150 years ago the republiqans were more left leaning and the dems were more to the right then that changed and now dems are more left and the repubs are totally right and steaming more right every day toward fascism. Liberal is a word that these rightists use to beat up dems so progressive seems to be the go to word since socialist is also a dirty word used by the right. Words are just words so if you want know what someone really thinks ask about specific issues and ask for specific answers don't settle for wishy-washy non answers. If they are talking about someone else don't believe anything, check with the person they are speaking of. the speaker may have an agenda.

[GoodRaisin]

5. Sometimes there's no difference.

The way I see it, all progressives are liberals. They are just progressive liberals.

One could say, all progressives are liberals, but all liberals are not progressives.

[rampartc]

11. there is a lot of overlap on that venn diagram

[uponit7771]

13. +1, I think its because the term "free enterprise" gets bastardized in the definition of "liberal"..

... to mean corporate personhood and "freedoms" the average person doesn't have.

[crickets]

10. K&R for the post and the discussion.

[ananda]

15. I think of progressive as people who would have been Reeps..

and are totally ashamed of the word liberal.

Me: I am a proud liberal Democrat.

[JI7]

18. I think a good number of them are right wing leaning bigots like Cenk and Jimmy Dore

that hate Democrats which is mostly made up of liberals.

And then there are those who seem to care more about being seen as the the most left and purest rather than on actually getting things done.

Also many of these so called progressives LOVE Tulsi Gabbard. And they hate Nancy Pelosi. They want Nancy Pelosi defeated .

[rampartc]

23. we are democrats. there is no ideological purity test that i know of.

my intention with the op was not to divide. i am no kind of repub. ever. not even a little.

"i do not belong to an organized political party. i am a democrat." will rodgers

[JI7]

24. Cenk was a Republican until he decided to start making money

claiming to be on the left.

Dore is not a Democrat and an anti semite.

[betsuni]

16. "the bull moose platform in 1912 is still a model for progressives like bernie sanders and aoc."

LOL No. Lane change. If anyone wants to actually learn anything about this, read (especially chapter 23):

https://books.google.co.jp/books/about/Ripped_Apart.html?id=Fk7SDwAAQBAJ&redur_esc=y

[rampartc]

20. looks like a good book

i, of course was distracted by the huey long chapter so i'll need to get back to chapter 23. i don't want to comment much, but i am uncomfortable with the idea that everything must be in one lane or the other. a society , like ours, can be structured so that various needs are met by differing lanes, and degrees, of economic system.

[JI7]

19. So called Progressives Support Tulsi Gabbard, Liberals support Nancy Pelosi

and the so called progressives hate Nancy Pelosi and keep pushing to remove her from speaker . These people love Tulsi Gabbard.

[JI7]

22. She supports Assad and opposed allowing Syrian Refugees into the US

She also supports hindu nationalists in India. So she isn't about peace.

Telling Pelosi to get it moving while defending Gabbard who opposed impeaching Trump ...

Says it all about what so called progressives are about.

[JI7]

27. My point is she supports shiity things which are NOT peaceful

she opposes rights for lgbtq . So she is not peaceful there either.

But she is supported by those who claim to be progressive while Pelosi is hated by them .

[obamanut2012]

26. I don't, she loves murderers and despots

And is a member of a Fascist cult. She was never a Dem or progressive, ever. She was a large horse made of wood.

[Progressive Jones]

29. This Prog/Lib argument is going to become a problem .

Division among the Anti-Right will cause too much damage. It's what the assholes on the right want.

[Progressive Jones]

30. This Prog/Lib argument is going to become a problem .

Division among the Anti-Right will cause too much damage. It's what the assholes on the right want.

[Progressive Jones]

31. This Prog/Lib argument is going to become a problem .

Division among the Anti-Right will cause too much damage. It's what the assholes on the right want.