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Mon Jul 19, 2021, 04:51 PM

Conservative says it's time to stop coddling vaccine resisters -- and time to start mandates

In a surprising take, conservative Washington Post columnist Max Boot encouraged states to start mandating that residents take the COVID-19 vaccine.

Writing Monday, Boot said that it's time to stop pleading and start mandating, and he cited data showing that 99 percent of those in the hospital with COVID-19 are unvaccinated as justification to start getting tough.

But Boot didn't only lay the dangers at the feet of red states ballooning with COVID-19 cases. He spread the blame around.

"There is vaccine hesitancy among many different sectors of the population, including reckless youths, granola liberals who believe in alternative medicines and African Americans who distrust the health-care system," he wrote. "Some are still persuadable, but many are not. As I've previously noted, the biggest obstacle to vaccination is now Republicans who are being fed a steady diet of anti-vaxxer propaganda by Fox 'News' Channel, Facebook and other social media, and reckless demagogues such as Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) and Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA)."

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Reply Conservative says it's time to stop coddling vaccine resisters -- and time to start mandates (Original post)
DemocraticPatriot Jul 2021 OP
leftstreet Jul 2021 #1
DemocraticPatriot Jul 2021 #3
dutch777 Jul 2021 #2
wnylib Jul 2021 #8
oldsoftie Jul 2021 #14
PortTack Jul 2021 #4
stillcool Jul 2021 #5
monkeyman1 Jul 2021 #6
mwooldri Jul 2021 #10
monkeyman1 Jul 2021 #11
oldsoftie Jul 2021 #15
mwooldri Jul 2021 #7
monkeyman1 Jul 2021 #13
bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #9
wnylib Jul 2021 #12
littlemissmartypants Jul 2021 #17
moondust Jul 2021 #16
BigmanPigman Jul 2021 #19
Mr.Bill Jul 2021 #18
Raftergirl Jul 2021 #20

Response to DemocraticPatriot (Original post)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 05:01 PM

1. Offer a stimulus check to all fully vaxxed people

Enforcing a mandate is impossible

If our overlords are serious they best put away the sticks and drag out a carrot

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 05:07 PM

3. That's a good idea, too...

but certain mandates could be done, even at the Federal level--- for public travel by air, train or bus, for instance...

And certainly at the state level, the covid vaccine should be mandate for public schools-- just like they do for vaccinations of every other major disease which we have since conquered.

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Response to DemocraticPatriot (Original post)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 05:06 PM

2. Try a quasi French approach-- can't go to bars, restaurants, movies or live group anything unvaxxed

There will be an outcry, but lots more folks will get the hint. It really would help if the FDA would give the vaccines full approval. How many tens of millions of tests do you have to run?

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Response to dutch777 (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:53 PM

8. The problem with that is that

it puts the responbilility on the restaurants, theaters, and concert managers to check their customers. People can fake vaccination cards. It would require some kind of vaccination photo ID or phone app.

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Response to dutch777 (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 07:03 PM

14. I wonder the same; how much does the FDA need??

That would remove a HUGE point they try to make

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Response to DemocraticPatriot (Original post)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 05:21 PM

4. Fine..then let the conservatives issue some kind of mandate and get blasted

Had they been on board b4 there was so much resistance, it might have worked..not now

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Response to DemocraticPatriot (Original post)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 05:42 PM

5. snowballs chance in hell...

of red states mandating anything, except maybe education, women's health, the right to kill people...they have their priorities.

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Response to DemocraticPatriot (Original post)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:51 PM

6. insurance might be helping!


no pay outs in a death of no vaccine shot's . that's what they do in a case if ya kill your self ! talking a insurance guy the other day . this shit is hurting the insurance company's big time !

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Response to monkeyman1 (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:56 PM

10. That's a good idea, at least on life insurance.

Vaccine records. No Covid shot? No coverage or coverage at a higher premium. Same for "skinny" (non ACA, short term) health plans and travel insurance. ACA compliant insurance can also do a surcharge for insufficient vaccinations.

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:58 PM

11. that's what got us the seat belt law !!

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Response to monkeyman1 (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 07:04 PM

15. Great idea!!

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Response to DemocraticPatriot (Original post)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:52 PM

7. Part of me says stop making the vaccine free at some point.

Everyone over the age of 12 has had a chance to get vaccinated on the government's dime. By end of 2022, the vaccine should no longer be free. Insurance should only cover the cost of the vaccine for the under 18s for three years before they can cover it for everyone, though for under 18s I believe the government should foot the bill for this vaccine indefinitely and insurance companies get reimbursed.

That might get some people to take it. It does go against my own personal philosophy that healthcare should be provided free at the point of service but this is America...

IMO we've dangled enough carrots. It's time IMO to speak softly and wield a big stick. It has to be big because a lot of sense has to be knocked into these anti vaxxers.

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 07:01 PM

13. no ,ya hit'm where it hurt's ! in the damn wallet !!

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Response to DemocraticPatriot (Original post)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:55 PM

9. "granola liberals"???? From the age of Euell Gibbons maybe /nt

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Response to DemocraticPatriot (Original post)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 07:01 PM

12. If insurance companies stopped

paying for hospitalization, meds, and death benefits for unvaccinated people, that might motivate some to get vaccinated. Free vaccine vs. hefty medical bills.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 07:27 PM

17. I was told the gubmint paid for hospitalization. . .


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215634124


Hoyt
21. Check Cares Act and HRSA COVID-19 Uninsured Program-- These cover CV19 treatment for non-insured.
"How it works

"Health care providers who have conducted COVID-19 testing or provided treatment for uninsured individuals with a COVID-19 primary diagnosis on or after February 4, 2020 can request claims reimbursement through the program electronically and will be reimbursed generally at Medicare rates, subject to available funding. Providers can also request reimbursement for COVID-19 vaccine administration. Steps will involve: enrolling as a provider participant, checking patient eligibility, submitting patient information, submitting claims, and receiving payment via direct deposit."

"To participate, providers must attest to the following at registration

"You have checked for health care coverage eligibility and confirmed that the patient is uninsured. You have verified that the patient does not have coverage through an individual, or employer-sponsored plan, a federal healthcare program, or the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program at the time services were rendered, and no other payer will reimburse you for COVID-19 vaccination, testing and/or care for that patient.

"You will accept defined program reimbursement as payment in full.

"You agree not to balance bill the patient.

"You agree to program terms and conditions and may be subject to post-reimbursement audit review.

For whom can claims be submitted

Providers may submit claims for individuals in the U.S. without health care coverage.

What's covered

". . . . . . Treatment: office visit (including telehealth), emergency room, inpatient, outpatient/observation, skilled nursing facility, long-term acute care (LTAC), rehabilitation care, home health, durable medical equipment (e.g., oxygen, ventilator), emergency ambulance transportation, non-emergent patient transfers via ambulance, and FDA-licensed, authorized, or approved treatments as they become available for COVID-19 treatment."

https://www.hrsa.gov/CovidUninsuredClaim
https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/uninsured-patient-covid-services-poster.pdf
https://www.hrsa.gov/coviduninsuredclaim/frequently-asked-questions
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/limitations-of-the-program-for-uninsured-covid-19-patients-raise-concerns/
https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/coronavirus/covid-uninsured-program-webinar.pdf


For those who will respond, but what if the providers won't participate, the answer is simple. Most uninsured people do not have the means to pay for extensive treatment. So if these providers want to get paid, there really isn't much choice but to accept the payments above.

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Response to DemocraticPatriot (Original post)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 07:14 PM

16. Many French don't like it.

More than 100,000 people rallied across France on Saturday to protest President Emmanuel Macron’s plans to require a Covid-19 “health pass” to access public places such as cafés and cinemas starting next week. In addition to traditional concerns about curtailed civil liberties, conspiracy theories have fuelled the opposition to making proof of vaccination obligatory.
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https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210718-conspiracy-theories-fuel-french-opposition-to-covid-19-health-pass

No question other countries including the U.S. would have large protests over mandates.

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Response to moondust (Reply #16)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 07:39 PM

19. France and the UK have had huge spikes

of new cases in the past week. The UK is stopping its restrictions after huge protests and now France is protesting too. I guess maskholes are in many "Western" societies.

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Response to DemocraticPatriot (Original post)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 07:30 PM

18. The strategy has to be

we can't make them get vaccinated, but we can make them wish they had. No flying. No entrance to any federal property. No federal security clearances for your job. No student loan guarantees. No commercial driver's license. States can deny occupational licenses. The list goes on.

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Response to DemocraticPatriot (Original post)

Mon Jul 19, 2021, 07:43 PM

20. Nothing is going to change

unless R governors do it. Might have to wait until their hospitals are overflowing and the refrigerator trunks are lined up all over their states full of dead bodies.

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