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Fri Jul 2, 2021, 12:25 AM

Toyota tops GM sales in the U.S., expected to be America's best-selling automaker

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Toyota Motor outsold General Motors in the U.S. for the first time ever during a quarter and is expected to be America's best-selling automaker.

The Japanese automaker on Thursday reported sales of 688,813 vehicles in the U.S. from April through June. That compares to GM at 688,236 vehicles during the second quarter. Toyota beat analyst expectations, while GM slightly missed forecasts.

The shake-up was caused by a global chip shortage that has significantly hampered vehicle production. Japanese automakers, specifically Toyota, have been able to manage the crisis better than their American competitors.

"They've kind of defied gravity the last couple of months," Cox Automotive senior economist Charlie Chesbrough said. "We're tracking them having very weak inventories out there and yet their sales have actually held up quite well. … We're really kind of surprised by Toyota's strength, and having a decent quarter relative to some of the competition."

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Reply Toyota tops GM sales in the U.S., expected to be America's best-selling automaker (Original post)
Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 OP
ansible Jul 2021 #1
Sympthsical Jul 2021 #4
bullwinkle428 Jul 2021 #21
elleng Jul 2021 #2
SunSeeker Jul 2021 #3
JCMach1 Jul 2021 #5
SunSeeker Jul 2021 #8
Klaralven Jul 2021 #13
MichMan Jul 2021 #18
JCMach1 Jul 2021 #23
Klaralven Jul 2021 #26
JCMach1 Jul 2021 #29
Klaralven Jul 2021 #30
JCMach1 Jul 2021 #31
pstokely Jul 2021 #6
SunSeeker Jul 2021 #7
pstokely Jul 2021 #9
SunSeeker Jul 2021 #10
Klaralven Jul 2021 #12
Klaralven Jul 2021 #15
mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2021 #16
Victor_c3 Jul 2021 #20
leftyladyfrommo Jul 2021 #11
OnionPatch Jul 2021 #19
JCMach1 Jul 2021 #24
SYFROYH Jul 2021 #14
HAB911 Jul 2021 #17
BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #22
JCMach1 Jul 2021 #27
MVP Kamala Jul 2021 #35
ananda Jul 2021 #25
JCMach1 Jul 2021 #28
Initech Jul 2021 #32
GulfCoast66 Jul 2021 #33
MVP Kamala Jul 2021 #34

Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 12:38 AM

1. The reliability of Toyota cars is just amazing

 

I'll never understand why other car manufacturers can't even come close. I've seen cars over 300k miles running on their original timing belt, it's insane how they can take so much abuse that would destroy other cars.

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Response to ansible (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 01:35 AM

4. That's why I have one

Reliable, cheap and easy to repair, readily available parts. The warranty was pretty great, too. They tossed it in for free. 10 year/100,000 miles.

I've had zero problems. It's eight years old, 52k miles (I don't drive much). Outside of tire replacement and general maintenance, I've never had it in the shop.

I get that people are pissed over their donations. But, they sell for a reason.

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Response to ansible (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 08:49 AM

21. My 2002 Honda Accord was running on its original clutch with

over 330,000 miles on it. I actually sold it privately for around $1500 in 2013.

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 12:41 AM

2. Thought so; and then this:

Calls to boycott Toyota fueled by its donations to election-objector Republicans.

The Japanese auto maker tops list of companies that donated to lawmakers who voted against certifying Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/calls-to-boycott-toyota-fueled-by-its-donations-to-election-objector-republicans-11624898975

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 01:24 AM

3. Americans want reliable cars.

GM, Ford just don't get it, or don't care.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 04:51 AM

5. And this take is from the 1990s. Also, f#$k Toyota

And their insurrection supporting BS

Also, f#$k Toyota for stealing millions of dollars by stocking POC with higher interest rates.

Also, f$#k Toyota for sitting on my payout refund for that same damn car for 9 months.

There is absolutely nothing good I have to say about Toyota.

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 05:41 AM

8. Toyota really fought emissions standards too.

But they make reliable cars that people want, so they have gotten away with bad corporate behavior.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:29 AM

13. On the other hand, they have been a leader in hybrids with better gas mileage

 

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Response to Klaralven (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 08:42 AM

18. And the manufacturer least interested in electric

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Response to Klaralven (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:18 AM

23. Prius was awesome ca. 2002. What have they done since?



They have turned into a very evilCorp indeed.

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #23)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:31 AM

26. Toyota have sold fuel efficient vehicles, while GM, Ford, Ram/Jeep have sold pickups, big SUVs

 

General Motors and FCA both saw fleetwide fuel economy fall 0.5 mpg in the 2019 model year, with FCA at 21.2 mpg and GM at 22.5 mpg. Ford Motor Co rose 0.1 mpg to 22.5 mpg.

The shift to larger vehicles was the biggest factor hurting fuel economy. In 2019, 44% of the fleet were cars and 56% were light-duty trucks, a category that includes SUVs, the highest percentage of trucks on record. SUVs alone account for almost 50% of U.S. vehicle production.

The EPA also said average vehicle weight and horsepower hit records in the 2019 and were on place to rise again in 2020.

The EPA also disclosed that through the 2019 model year, Tesla has sold 39.8 million megagrams in credits, while FCA has purchased 82.1 million credits, the most of any automaker.

Honda has also sold 40 million credits and GM purchased 10.7 million credits.

Toyota sold 33.8 million credits, while BMW and Daimler AG bought 5.5 million credits and 12.2 million respectively.


https://www.autoblog.com/2021/01/06/vehicle-fleet-efficiency/

Second only to Tesla in credits sold.

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Response to Klaralven (Reply #26)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:36 AM

29. Meanwhile GM was developing realistic mass market affordable

Electric platforms with the Volt and Bolt and is a leader in the sustainable segment going forward.

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:50 AM

30. Toyota have more experience with electric cars by producing more hybrids / plug-in hybrids

 

Toyota Launching Two New EVs, One New Plug-In Hybrid—and Soon

Toyota's tempered approach to electric vehicles will pick up with plans to introduce two new battery-powered vehicles and a plug-in hybrid this year. That is on top of the new 2021 Toyota Highlander hybrid and hybrid-only 2021 Toyota Sienna minivan and Venza crossover that recently entered the market.

The fresh trio of electrified models will debut this year and hit the market in 2022, Toyota Motor North America executive vice president of sales Bob Carter says. Being coy, he says one of the pure electrics is a crossover and at least one is for the Toyota brand, suggesting the other is a Lexus and has a sexier body shape. He would not offer us any details about the plug-in hybrid.

The new electrified vehicles are specifically for the U.S. market, but initially will be built in Japan. Toyota is developing a dedicated electric vehicle platform it calls e-TNGA, that is flexible enough to underpin front-, rear-, and all-wheel-drive vehicles.


https://www.motortrend.com/news/toyota-new-evs-plug-in-hybrid-plans-2021/

Their hybrids changed from NiH to lithium ion batteries and they know all about manufacturing electric motors and electric vehicle control systems.

Once they see the market, they will continue their strategy of converting their existing models to electric, rather than bringing out new brands.

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Response to Klaralven (Reply #30)

Sat Jul 3, 2021, 01:38 AM

31. I will never forgive them for screwing my wife over and.then sitting on

Or totaled auto cash for 9 months.

And now insurrection?

Worst corporation ever.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 05:11 AM

6. did they ever get it?

when you build shitty cars that don't sell, just blame the unions

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and when you mention Datsun to the kids these days, they think you're talking about weiner dogs

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Response to pstokely (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 05:36 AM

7. In the 1960s Ford and GM still both made good cars that competed with foreign cars.

Then came the American automotive dark ages, the 1970s, when US car makers made absolute shit. And they never recovered.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 05:51 AM

9. they had a monopoly until the 60s

cars wearing out after a few years was normal

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Response to pstokely (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 05:57 AM

10. They didn't have a monopoly.

But Japan was just getting started, their cars were still not that reliable, so they were not capturing the market yet. But Japan kept improving, unlike GM and Ford.

There's still US cars on the street from the 1960s, and their owners cherish them. The 1970s, not so much.

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Response to pstokely (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:28 AM

12. The GM philosophy was that buyers should drive 3 years and then trade for a new one.

 

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:36 AM

15. The gas guzzlers were a product of government regulation

 

California and then the Federal government imposed regulations limiting the percentage of pollutants in the exhaust.

The pollutants are generated near the walls of the cylinder due to incomplete combustion.

The US automakers met the regulations by increasing the size of the cylinders, thereby reducing the ratio of wall surface to cylinder volume. It's dubious whether these regulations actually decreased the pollutants per vehicle mile traveled.

Only after the oil shocks, high gas prices, and gas lines did they start to design new more efficient engines. Even then, they sucked. My last US car was an '85 Chevy. Never again.

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Response to Klaralven (Reply #15)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:52 AM

16. Do you have a source for this? Thanks. NT

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Response to pstokely (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 08:46 AM

20. They didn't point out one glaring fact

Most of the import cars they were complaining about were built in Japan and Germany. 1950 was just 4.5 years after the end of WW2, were just about all industry was destroyed through years of heavy bombing campaigns.

Whose to say unions destroy the ability to make good selling cars. Germany does it and they both take care of the environment, pay their workers well, and offer great benefits.

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:01 AM

11. My lottle 2013 Toyota Yaris has 130,000 and no repairs

outside general maintenance. I had to replace a couple of lightbulbs.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 08:45 AM

19. I had a Yaris too.

I loved that car! It was solid and dependable and I put 130k+ miles on it without any issues before trading it for a hybrid. It had great mileage too.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:29 AM

24. My 2011 Chevy Volt has 157K, almost no repairs and has lost no

Battery range.

The ICE purrs like a kitten with no leaks.


The most durable car I ever had was a Buick Century wagon in the 1990s which I drove for over 350k miles. I only ever repaired a couple of sensors and the transmission got sticky, so I used to put special fluid additive that cured it. Sold it for $500 when I moved to Dubai and would see it around the small town I used to live when I would visit for many summers. It also got great mileage.

So no, Toyota does not have a monopoly on great cars. They are solely coasting on reputation at this point.

As much as I hate Toyota, I had to drive a brand new Camry as a rental. It had cheap plasticy interior and a jerky transmission.

So no, it's #BoycottToyota for many, many reasons.

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:30 AM

14. I just picked up a new Highlander.


I’ve been pleased.

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 08:31 AM

17. Buy a Toyota, support Repug insurrectionists

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:43 AM

22. They make a good car.

I care fuck all about their politics or the politics of some of their owners.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:32 AM

27. Do you care they regularly screwed minorities on financing?

That happened to my wife.

My POC wife with 800+ credit was shafted by finance.

This was such SOP for Toyota, they had to answer for it in a successful class action they mostly kept out of the press.

F$&k Toyota

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #22)

Sat Jul 3, 2021, 07:59 AM

35. I don't care either. Besides that, I had mine before Jan 6, 2021

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:30 AM

25. I like Honda.

Isn't Toyota compromised for funding insurrectionist lawmakers?

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Response to ananda (Reply #25)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:34 AM

28. Among other things

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Response to ananda (Reply #25)

Sat Jul 3, 2021, 02:02 AM

32. Honda, Subaru, Kia, Chevrolet, Hyundai, Mazda, Ford...

Plenty of other alternatives out there, and some even produce better cars!

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Sat Jul 3, 2021, 02:23 AM

33. I drive a 2005 Tecoma. 285,000 miles.

No problems till now. The air has gone out. But after 16 years I can’t complain. Looks like shit, but for 16 year has started every time I turn the key.

Our ‘new’ vehicle is a 14 Tundra. Needed it to pull the boat. 185,000 miles and like new. It replaced a 13 year old Tundra. Both American made. Well, the 05 Tacoma was assembled in America. The Tundra built here.

Looking at a Kia Stinger to replace the Tacoma.

We routinely drive 300 plus miles. Often pulling a boat. An electric vehicle does not work for us right now.

I’ve read enough to know the best thing for the environment is to keep a car for a decade or more. It takes a lot to build them.

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Sat Jul 3, 2021, 07:55 AM

34. I've driven a Toyota for the last 14 years. Two different RAV4s

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