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Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:56 AM

Does DeSantis Have Any Culpability In The Condo Collapse?.....

You know if there was a Dem Gov in FL - the Repugs would find a way to blame him/her.

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Reply Does DeSantis Have Any Culpability In The Condo Collapse?..... (Original post)
global1 Jun 2021 OP
SoCalDavidS Jun 2021 #1
global1 Jun 2021 #5
FBaggins Jun 2021 #14
getagrip_already Jun 2021 #16
SoCalDavidS Jun 2021 #20
jimfields33 Jun 2021 #7
getagrip_already Jun 2021 #18
Chainfire Jun 2021 #2
Lochloosa Jun 2021 #3
OriginalGeek Jun 2021 #4
Ocelot II Jun 2021 #6
FBaggins Jun 2021 #8
ScratchCat Jun 2021 #9
zipplewrath Jun 2021 #22
Phoenix61 Jun 2021 #10
GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #23
Me. Jun 2021 #11
jimfields33 Jun 2021 #21
Me. Jun 2021 #25
ananda Jun 2021 #12
Ritabert Jun 2021 #13
moondust Jun 2021 #29
Stinky The Clown Jun 2021 #15
Sympthsical Jun 2021 #26
Stinky The Clown Jun 2021 #30
KG Jun 2021 #17
rockfordfile Jun 2021 #19
ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #24
JCMach1 Jun 2021 #27
brooklynite Jun 2021 #28

Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:58 AM

1. If He Does, He's Working On Covering It Up

He's going to be the repub nominee in 2024, so he's going to make sure nothing changes that. He's not going to end up like Chris C.

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Response to SoCalDavidS (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:01 AM

5. I've Heard That A Lot About DeSantis & 2024.....

How did he get so far up the Repug chain in order to be considered the 2024 nominee?

Is it just that the people of FL want to get rid of him as their Gov?

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Response to global1 (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:16 AM

14. That's straightforward enough

Governor of a large swing-ish state. Previous federal office (in the House). National name recognition. Some popularity among the base. Some military service

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Response to global1 (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:19 AM

16. being out front this early is a curse......

All the focus will be on him, and most will be negative. Plus, tfg will take him down several notches just because.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 12:17 PM

20. I Think Drumpf Is Going To Support Him

Drumpf is just looking to Grift until he finally announces he's not running in 2024.

But he'll want a Mini-Me to get the nomination, and he's buddy buddy with DeSatan.

I definitely can see an endorsement ahead of the election, if not the primaries.

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Response to SoCalDavidS (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:07 AM

7. He was 3 years old in 1981.

He was not in office during the 2018 inspection. Iím not sure how he can be blamed unless the mayor, building inspectors, city council, and a whole lot of others join him.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:22 AM

18. if he deregulated building inspections, cut funds for engineers and inspectors, or

otherwise made it easier for owners to put off critical repairs, there should be blowback.

Will it hurt him? Doubtful in FL. National? Like tfg, he has so many scandals you just can't get anyone to focus.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:59 AM

2. As much as I despise the man

He can't be blamed for the collapse of the building. That may not be true for local officials; time will tell.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:59 AM

3. Not really.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:00 AM

4. I doubt this one

but give him time. He'll be happy to deregulate something that would affect building inspections and hinder mass-exploitation of the coast.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:03 AM

6. Probably not.

This is the sort of thing that takes years to develop. I would have loved to have pinned the I-35 bridge collapse on that dickwad Tim Pawlenty, too, but that wasn't his fault either (he sure took credit for rebuilding it quickly, though - in time for the '08 election).

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:09 AM

8. How?

The building was constructed long before he was in office and building codes and their enforcement are largely a county responsibility.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:09 AM

9. Nobody does

This is one of those things where people are unfortunately going to have to accept that its nobody's fault. A potential problem was identified as they commonly are. A remedy was proposed. An assessment was passed. They were going to start repairs. Nobody - not one person - believed the building was in eminent danger of collapsing? Why? Because buildings don't fall like that. The fact that buildings don't fall like that due to the issues identified removes any and all legal liability. That's just how its going to have to be. Nobody could have known that was going to happen.

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Response to ScratchCat (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 12:31 PM

22. Everybody does

You're right, but unfortunately what that really means is that "everybody" does. That is to say that "everybody" from the people that designed and built the place, to the people charged with maintaining it, as well as the residents that were resistant to paying for the needed repairs and upkeep. But because "buildings don't fall like that", "everybody" feels free to ignore problems, delay action, and otherwise dismiss valid concerns about these things. And don't kid yourself, that attitude affects the inspectors as well who are loath to declare a building unsafe or demand quick or immediate repairs to buildings.

It's the corollary to the person that keeps driving with the check engine light on. They do so because they believe the worst thing that will happen is that the engine won't start some day, not that it will burst into flames while they are driving.

It costs money to own things. And part of that cost is having insurance. What do ya wanna bet many of the people living in those remaining condos are uninsured?

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:09 AM

10. It's years of Republican rule that allowed developers

to dictate everything. The only reason building codes changed at all was Hurricane Andrew. If they hadnít the state would have had to insure everybody. My house was built in 1948 and I trust it more than one built in the 70ís or 80ís. Nothing like aged heart of pine 2x4ís that are really 2Ēx4Ē.

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 12:47 PM

23. Until 2000 the state was usually run by democrats.

And most of these codes are local. No matter the party in control of South Florida is has been corrupted for decades.

You are correct about old homes. Our first one in Downtown Orlando built in 39. They did not have engineering studies so overbuilt them like crazy. Our roof and attic trusses were 2x6ís, real ones of heart pine put in 18 inch spacing. You could not nail and hardly drill into them. The roof beam were multiple 2x10ís nailed together. Went thru the eye of Donna in 60 and Charlie in 04 with no damage.

The guy we sold it to tore it down and put up a MacMansion. Would love to have all that old timber.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:10 AM

11. He Did Relax Gov. Regulations In 2018

and building was indcluded in that but I don't know if they have anything to do with what happened.

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Response to Me. (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 12:30 PM

21. He was sworn in as governor January 8, 2019

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:10 AM

12. Do birds shit from the air?

His shit is all over this.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:13 AM

13. While you can't blame him for this specific incident

.....he did hold a "deregathon" summit in 2019. The goal was to cut back on regulations involving building standards, condo board regulations, barbering, construction contracting licenses, veterinary medicine, and other areas. So he could be responsible for problems in the future.

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Response to Ritabert (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 02:04 PM

29. Downplaying the need for regulations

by advocating for their repeal is likely to cause some "big gubment" haters and profiteers to consider regulations a needless burden and ignore them. There are probably some of those types working in the construction industry.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:17 AM

15. It doesn't matter if he does or not. Our job is to pin it on him

I said a while back that we need to start fighting dirty. I think we need to start a campaign to connect him to the collapse I donít care how peripherally that connection might be Michael but it needs to be an easy connection.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 01:02 PM

26. Telling obvious, stupid lies isn't our job

If you're going to go dirty, at least be somewhat smart about it. A 40 year old building with years of problems isn't going to get pinned on a guy who's been in office since 2019.

No one's going to buy into that except for the most extreme partisans. And were they to make the attempt, the average person would start questioning the reality tether of the person making the claims.

There are going to be a lot of people at fault here, but DeSantis isn't going to be one of them. Why burn political capital on it? It'd be dumb.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 03:38 PM

30. Thanks but no thanks for your advice.

This is why we lose. This is why they kick our asses. We need to fight back.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:20 AM

17. I'll allow it.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 12:04 PM

19. What will happen he will try to lie about the cause.

It won't work.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 12:57 PM

24. I Don't See How

He wasn't governor when the inspection regime changed & the building was 38 years old when he took office.
He's a loathsome slimeball but I don't see how this hangs on his neck.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 01:43 PM

27. As much as I hate him, no... It's the stench of decades of corrupt Republican

Policies favoring development and developers

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 01:52 PM

28. Building codes and inspections are a local matter.

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