Missouri bans state enforcement of federal gun law in state. (NPR Story)

[Chainfire]

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/17/1007690138/can-missouri-declare-federal-gun-laws-invalid

The Feds are going to have to take a stand against these rouge right-wing states and this looks like the perfect opportunity. If it were me, I would start with withdrawing all Federal law enforcement funding for state and local police agencies and aggressively prosecute the people who violate Federal gun laws. Examples need to be made.

[Mr.Bill]

1. Just to play Devil's advocate,

because we are dealing with the Devil here, how is this different from states refusing to enforce Federal immigration laws? Federal law enforcement can just go there and enforce federal laws themselves, like they do with immigration.

[Chainfire]

3. I get your "well what about" point, but

An example in the story was the the theoretical arrest of a felon and, in the process, recovering an illegal firearm, if the cops charged on the illegal possession of the firearm they could be subject to a $50,000 dollar state fine. It would not matter to me what the people of the state do, except that what happens in Missouri will not stay in Missouri. The Feds should not continue to fund police agencies that work against them. Let Missourians pay for their own policing. They already have one of the highest violent crime rates in the country, I guess that they just want to share the love with the rest of us.

If Missouri is allowed to proceed as they wish, they will become the gun store for criminals all over the nation. Need a machine gun? Pop over to Missouri.

[Zeitghost]

17. I'm pretty sure

Missouri has laws that ban things like felon in possession of a firearm. And anybody trying to sell NFA items is going to find the BATFE at their door real quick. This will have little to no real world implications.

[paleotn]

9. Miles of difference...

between leaving enforcement up to the Feds with immigration verses declaring federal law invalid within the state of Missouri. We've been down this road since the founding. It doesn't end well for nullifiers.

[Mr.Bill]

14. Read the article in the link in the OP.

It makes it clear that a state can't declare a federal law invalid. The constitution says so. So that part won't hold up in court.

But they can refuse to have their state enforce the law, just as my state has refused to enforce immigration laws or have any state or local law enforcement officer cooperate with federal authorities that are enforcing those laws.

What's important is I don't want the federal government to be in command of my local police. They are welcome to come here and enforce federal laws, but that is all. And it's been through the courts that they can't withold federal funding from states who refuse to help them.

We've just had a Fascist tyrant in charge of our federal government for four years. He tried to take control of our state and local police and we stopped him. Look what his henchmen likely did with the Capitol Police and the National Guard on 1/6.

We have Federal Law Enforcement Agencies to enforce Federal laws, and that's how I'd like to keep it. If anyone is okay with the likes of a Donald Trump telling your local police what to do, then have at it.

[paleotn]

19. No, states can't invalidate federal law, but like so many others...

Missouri Republicans are saying they can. It's the framing that matters. CA never considered immigration laws invalid. Law enforcement across the country many times picks and choses what they will enforce. When I lived down south, our local sheriffs department wouldn't go out of their way to enforce immigration laws either. Not that they felt said law was invalid. They simply didn't have the manpower.

[Progressive Jones]

2. GOP campaign stunt. The FEDS will end this. nt

[Chainfire]

4. They can't do it soon enough and they need to bring Maxwell's Silver Hammer when they come

If or when the Feds deal with the issue, it will further inflame militia groups all over the country. Perhaps that is the point of the State.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

5. States are under no obligation to use state or local resources,

IOW, the states can tell the Feds that they won't let them use any state/local facilities nor any personnel to help them, what the states can't do is interfere in the enforcement of those laws by the Feds.
The Feds have ways of countering this, they can withhold Fed funds until they change their minds.

[Mr.Bill]

15. They wanted to withold federal funds from sanctuary cities

in California, and the feds lost that one in court.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

20. So that avenue is closed to the Feds also? nt

[paleotn]

6. Oh, it's nullification again.

This shit has come up every generation since the founding. Ugh. Idiots. And not even original idiots. Just garden variety idiots.

[Chainfire]

10. The difference is that it is no longer a tiny minority of idiots

Arkansas and nearly another dozen states are considering similar legislation.

[Takket]

7. um... that's not how things work in this country

[hatrack]

8. Yeah, great idea, Gov. Heehaw . . .

Fucking rube.

[11 Bravo]

11. Unless they think they can also repeal the supremacy clause ...

of the US Constitution, they need to fuck right off.

[Mr.Bill]

16. Exactly. No state can invalidate a federal law. n/t

[Zeitghost]

18. They know exactly what they are doing

States are under no obligation to enforce federal law, but they can't interfere with the Feds enforcing it.

[struggle4progress]

12. Jesse James

[PortTack]

13. Garland already told MO ...DO not ignore federal gun laws!!