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Wed Jun 9, 2021, 11:27 AM

Joe Manchin said in 2011 that the US was 'paralyzed by the filibuster,'

but he is now blocking efforts to change it

Sen. Joe Manchin said a decade ago that US politics had been "paralyzed by the filibuster," but he is now blocking attempts to change it.

Manchin is the only Democratic senator refusing to back the For the People Act, a sweeping voting-rights bill that would cancel many GOP-led voting restrictions at the state level. It passed the House with no Republican support, and its chances of passing the Senate appear to have been doomed by Manchin's opposition.

In a Sunday op-ed article announcing his opposition to the legislation, Manchin also reaffirmed his support for the filibuster. "I will not vote to weaken or eliminate the filibuster," he wrote in the Charleston Gazette-Mail.

Manchin, however, previously called for changes to the mechanism, which essentially requires most legislation to have 60 votes to pass in the Senate.

In October 2011, Manchin told the Charleston Daily Mail that the filibuster was preventing cooperation between parties. A copy of the article is listed on Manchin's official Senate website.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-manchin-said-in-2011-that-the-us-was-paralyzed-by-the-filibuster-but-he-is-now-blocking-efforts-to-change-it/ar-AAKRIjC

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Reply Joe Manchin said in 2011 that the US was 'paralyzed by the filibuster,' (Original post)
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Wednesday OP
uponit7771 Wednesday #1
Bev54 Wednesday #2
oasis Wednesday #4
LakeArenal Wednesday #3
Goodheart Wednesday #5
Act_of_Reparation Wednesday #6
moose65 Wednesday #7
Act_of_Reparation Wednesday #8
ananda Wednesday #9
DavidDvorkin Wednesday #10
moose65 Thursday #11
DavidDvorkin Thursday #12
moose65 Thursday #13
DavidDvorkin Thursday #14

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jun 9, 2021, 11:28 AM

1. I find his unwillingness to stay boundaries for Republicans squishy too

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jun 9, 2021, 11:37 AM

2. He wasn't being paid by the Koch's back then n/t

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Response to Bev54 (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 9, 2021, 12:01 PM

4. Easy there. A fella's gotta look ahead to his golden years. nt

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jun 9, 2021, 11:40 AM

3. Two-faced at least. Complicit Dino probably.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jun 9, 2021, 12:02 PM

5. Which party held the Senate majority at the time?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jun 9, 2021, 12:07 PM

6. Cynical career politics at its finest.

Joe Manchin has plenty of reason to oppose shitcanning the filibuster. In the short-term, he doesn't want to risk his seat pissing off his increasingly Republican electorate. In the long-term, he doesn't election reforms that would make it easier for Democrats to flip purple states and thereby relieve of him of his disproportionate influence over the legislative process.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 9, 2021, 01:12 PM

7. Can he be that cynical?

I'd like to think not, but in this day and age, who knows?

I also wonder if it ever goes through his head that if he pisses off enough Democrats, he will definitely lose his seat. There aren't enough unaffiliated and Republican voters to save him. Republicans will ditch him in a heartbeat, anyway. Just who does he think voted for him last time around?

In 2018, he won by fewer than 20,000 votes, and it was 49.6 - 46.3, with the Libertarian taking the rest of the vote. Compare that to 2010, when he won by about 53,000 votes, and it was 53.5 - 43.4. And 2010 was a horrible year for Democrats in most states!

I think Joe may be toast in 2024 anyway, if the trends continue.

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Response to moose65 (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 9, 2021, 04:21 PM

8. Almost certainly.

Career politics attracts all sorts of people, but it is a career path that is exceptionally appealing to the self-interested. Political party doesn't control for that. Hell, we had LBJ.

And as to your point about his electoral prospects, that's what makes this We-Need-To-Keep-Manchin-Happy-Or-We-Lose-The-Senate calculus so evidently faulty. Losing WV seems at this point inevitable. It is very likely going to happen at some point in the future. Passing voting rights protections would have mitigated this loss somewhat by making it easier for Democrats to flip purple states. Tiptoeing through the tulips on the filibuster so Manchin could maybe keep his seat another six years is the very definition of robbing Peter to pay Paul.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jun 9, 2021, 04:26 PM

9. Maybe that was before he became the Koch's talking puppet.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jun 9, 2021, 04:39 PM

10. How much has West Virginia changed since then?

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:36 AM

11. I don't know how much it's changed since 2011, but....

It has certainly changed over time!

Consider: in 1988, that weird flaky Taxachusetts Democrat, Michael Dukakis, carried West Virginia in the Presidential election! Then Clinton won WVa twice, before it flipped to Bush in 2000.

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Response to moose65 (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 10, 2021, 10:15 AM

12. I think that gives us a hint at Manchin's political calcuations.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 10, 2021, 10:49 AM

13. I guess

But as we have seen with countless other Democrats, it usually doesn't matter HOW conservative a Dem tries to be. They are NEVER going to win over enough Republicans to consistently win re-election, especially since 2010.

Since 2010, many so-called "moderate" Dems have either retired or lost Senate elections. 2014 was brutal for us. Here in NC, Kay Hagan tried to thread the needle by running from Obama and trying to tout herself as "independent." For that, she lost by about 50,000 votes to Tillis. It NEVER works.

Even in West Virginia, there is a large group of Republicans/Trumpers who will label Manchin as a Socialist Commie Libtard, no matter what he does. If he tries to win them over, he will fail and he will piss off a lot of Democrats.

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Response to moose65 (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 10, 2021, 10:50 AM

14. True, unfortunately.

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