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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsShouldn't he have been stripped of all benefits and sent to prison?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/he-put-me-on-a-washing-machine-and-pleasured-himself-while-molesting-me-retired-army-general-demoted-after-conviction-for-sexually-assaulting-his-daughter-starting-when-she-was-3/ar-AAKQ1U6?ocid=msedgntpOne-time Army major general James J. Grazioplene has been demoted in rank after he admittedly sexually assaulted his daughter.
The retired soldier was pared down to the rank of second lieutenant by U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, as that was the last rank in which he did a decent job, according to the Army Times.
The Secretary of Defense changed the retired grade of then-Major General James J. Grazioplene, United States Army Retired, to second lieutenant after determining that second lieutenant was the highest grade in which he served on active duty satisfactorily, Pentagon spokesperson Lisa Lawrence told the outlet on Monday.
This action may not be appealed, Lawrence continued. Second Lieutenant Grazioplene will maintain any benefits or privileges authorized for retired officers in the grade of second lieutenant.
His daughter, Jennifer Elmore, told Army officials in 2015 that her father had serially raped and molested her when she was a child.
At 3, he led me to the dark, dirty basement of my grandmothers house and put me on the washing machine and pleasured himself while molesting me, she said in a victim impact statement. At 8, he bought me a piano and insisted on taking me to piano lessons, all so he could park and take whatever sick pleasures that he so desired. The same horrors occurring as he regularly insisted on bathing me. It took me until college to be able to use a bar of soap.
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gab13by13
(20,867 posts)If the Army won't do it why not civilian court? Usually there is no statute of limitation for pedophilia.
Someone needs to publicize this travesty.
doc03
(35,148 posts)they care about that?
malaise
(267,823 posts)The rot is everywhere across the planet
jaxexpat
(6,703 posts)Jose Garcia
(2,552 posts)MiHale
(9,593 posts)Only if it was good with his daughter.
gordianot
(15,226 posts)Apparently if you are a US military flag officer.
malaise
(267,823 posts)of Iraq
gordianot
(15,226 posts)Killing people has pretty much been a military activity since our ancestors decided not to live in trees.
malaise
(267,823 posts)but they were sent to prison for murder and pardoned by the Seditionist in chief
Evolve Dammit
(16,632 posts)malaise
(267,823 posts)kill with impunity (and even official support), it's hard to see governments giving a fuck about crimes against imagined enemies. Add to that the support for assault rifles on our streets.
The only human life that matters to many are the unborn
Evolve Dammit
(16,632 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,847 posts)... as part of a plea deal to avoid 20 years.
His daughter agreed to the plea deal.
gab13by13
(20,867 posts)70sEraVet
(3,430 posts)The article doesn't mention. He "...pled guilty to a single count of sexual battery and in return for that, all the other charges were dismissed". But the single count of sexual battery, especially against a minor, should have required him to register.
Its no small point. That is a punishment that follows you for the rest of your life.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,847 posts)I only briefly followed a link that explained his jail term and plea deal. The daughter was supposedly most-focused on him admitting what he did, which was part of the plea bargain.
Ugh, these kinds of stories are so depressing!
3Hotdogs
(12,210 posts)Fines and forfeiture? Maybe.
Zeitghost
(3,796 posts)This unfortunate situation was due statute of limitations.
Solly Mack
(90,740 posts)by adults, to include the parent, the army has relocated the soldier - multiple times in the case of one multiple offender - and sought counseling for offenders - with charges/confessions/convictions not affecting their benefits or rank. The multiple offender wasn't even mandated to stay away from children and he raped a 10 month old (and a 14 year old, and a 13 year old) that attended his wife's at-home day care. He attacked young girls, little girls, and baby girls alike. A sick, all-around predator.
The other offender was the father of the 13 year old who shared his daughter with the multiple offender.
Neither lost their rank. Neither served time. Neither lost their benefits.
One was made to retire - with rank and benefits.
The other - the multiple offender - was allowed to continue to serve until he retired years later.
I know of other cases but I was at ground zero for this case. Knew all the players and when I knew about what was happening, I was the one who told the Commander.
I was floored they allowed the offenders to get away with their crimes. Though the army would say - and did say - they handled it.
malaise
(267,823 posts)We had a grandfather here who was not only raping his grand daughter but selling her out to his friends at the village bar
Solly Mack
(90,740 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,632 posts)malaise
(267,823 posts)and happy environment provided by our parents.
We had a cousin who married this young lady and the marriage broke up because she literally in love with the father who raped her from childhood. Her father was a prominent businessman and when he died there were glowing tributes until social media exposed the rapist. And it turned out that his daughter wasn't his only victim.
Evolve Dammit
(16,632 posts)malaise
(267,823 posts)I only discovered that as an adult. I was truly innocent about rape and incest. As young adults we heard stories and then understood why our parents wouldn't let us visit certain homes.
Evolve Dammit
(16,632 posts)the constant, pervasive pressure for male sexual domination that started about the same time. I wish all young girls/ women could receive martial arts training (any type) because boys preyed on weakness. That would help deter such behavior, IMHO. If they had to assume that any female might be a black belt, they would be way less apt to attempt an assault.
malaise
(267,823 posts)so we moved in groups which included several brothers so we were lucky.
lonely bird
(1,642 posts)If his last rank where he performed on active duty satisfactorily was second lieutenant then how the hell was he promoted?
Incompetent and a child molester. Great.
ProfessorGAC
(64,425 posts)First Lieutenant, Captain, Major, Lt. Colonel, full Colonel, General...
That's at least 6 promotions, and 5 of them occurred after he was unsatisfactory in his current role.
Like getting a drunken janitor who sleeps on the job promoted until he got a VP gig because he stuck around.
Not getting it.
sarisataka
(18,220 posts)Is based on his confession. Presumably he was fulfilling his job duties so was promoted.
The confession however indicates he was acting improperly in his private life which is unsatisfactory performance. By applying that retroactively the army determined his rank when the abuse started. The rank prior is therefore the last rank with satisfactory performance.
They remove the promotions he should not have received had all the facts been known.
ProfessorGAC
(64,425 posts)I did not know that.
Baitball Blogger
(46,576 posts)This is a reflection of their own organization
malaise
(267,823 posts)lots of passes
Baitball Blogger
(46,576 posts)twodogsbarking
(9,308 posts)He would fix this.
sarisataka
(18,220 posts)That are being asked are in the article.
malaise
(267,823 posts)sarisataka
(18,220 posts)With "like".
The military can't punish him because the statue of limitations expired.
He admitted guilt in civilian court as part of the plea deal approved by his victim.
Based on that confession the military can reduce his rank which will reduce his retirement by about 95%.
Now would I like to see him fed to pigs- perhaps, but I also do not think we should start making exceptions to laws just because we find the criminal especially heinous. As for his plea deal, if the victim approved it I am not arrogant enough to tell her she is wrong. She is the one to decide what is justice.
malaise
(267,823 posts)former9thward
(31,805 posts)So a big reduction but not 95%. MG is O-8 and 2nL O-1.
sarisataka
(18,220 posts)Since there are several different retirement plans.
The one I used given PEBD of 1971 said an O-8 with over 34 years would receive about $200k annually. Changing rank to O-1 dropped it to about $12k. If that wasn't the correct calculator it would be very different.
former9thward
(31,805 posts)The link said he retired in 2005 but I did not see when he went in.
sarisataka
(18,220 posts)As his original commission date
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doc03
(35,148 posts)move them to a different command.
malaise
(267,823 posts)unbelievable
North Shore Chicago
(3,254 posts)who put in her incestuous fathers obituary, "In lieu of flowers, please send a donation to R.A.I.N.N."
malaise
(267,823 posts)Thanks in advance
North Shore Chicago
(3,254 posts)The Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network is an American nonprofit anti-sexual assault organization, the largest in the United States.
RAINN
malaise
(267,823 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,247 posts)dlk
(11,438 posts)Too often, too many men are reluctant to go after one of their own and hold them truly accountable. On some level, they really dont care all that much or they would actually do something significant to address and curtail the problem.
Goodheart
(5,264 posts)onethatcares
(16,133 posts)and a retirement package.
I'm ready to puke. There are just too many things about this that don't make any sense.Number 1 being he should be given a dishonorable discharge and lose all benefits. Treat him like the Army would a Spec 4 or below for the same offense.
sarisataka
(18,220 posts)Without a conviction by a General Court Martial. That cannot happen because of the statue of limitations.
The lowest discharge he could receive is under other than honorable conditions. I am not sure if there is a reason he could not have been given such, or perhaps he was but it wasn't mentioned.
onethatcares
(16,133 posts)removes the ability to collect benefits if I'm not mistaken.
He's already retired so "for the good of the service" does not apply leaving, Bad Conduct, General under Honorable, General under other than Honorable, or Dishonorable.
But maybe rules are different for the "O" class NOt arguing, just know wondering why he was allowed to obtain O1 retirement bennies.
sarisataka
(18,220 posts)So I reached out to a former JAG I know.
He said when retirement is involved the service member must agree to a lower discharge. Usually that is in exchange for dropping a Court Martial. He thinks since the threat of the Court Martial was taken away it was easier to give him still an honorable discharge. Trying to force the issue could have opened an appeal path to get his rank reinstated.
onethatcares
(16,133 posts)thank you for reaching out to JAG. I know someone that was given a OTH for a civilian conviction but he was not offered any type of bennies. He is also in never never land about firearm ownership due to the nature of OTC discharge.
Anyway, thank you again.