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Sun Jun 6, 2021, 10:00 AM

You can call me an alarmist a

troll a concerned citizen or a basher of the Democratic Party but unless I start seeing some real action from the DOJ regarding the Mueller report, the election crime happening in Arizona, a investigation into those responsible for the Capitol insurrection, the crimes of trump and the trump family, Rudy , Flynn, Barr etc. etc I will come to the conclusion that the Democratic Party will again allow crimes by our government officials to be swept under the carpet. We're not talking bad behavior here we are talking crimes/treason. I've been fooled too many times to think otherwise.

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Reply You can call me an alarmist a (Original post)
kacekwl Jun 2021 OP
Elessar Zappa Jun 2021 #1
kacekwl Jun 2021 #11
wnylib Jun 2021 #28
PortTack Jun 2021 #2
blm Jun 2021 #3
bamagal62 Jun 2021 #4
onecaliberal Jun 2021 #25
FakeNoose Jun 2021 #5
kacekwl Jun 2021 #12
JohnQFunk Jun 2021 #6
BannonsLiver Jun 2021 #7
kacekwl Jun 2021 #13
BannonsLiver Jun 2021 #22
ShazamIam Jun 2021 #8
colsohlibgal Jun 2021 #9
Sneederbunk Jun 2021 #10
Politicub Jun 2021 #14
brooklynite Jun 2021 #15
kacekwl Jun 2021 #16
brooklynite Jun 2021 #21
kacekwl Jun 2021 #17
bringthePaine Jun 2021 #18
Trueblue Texan Jun 2021 #19
Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #20
Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #23
ananda Jun 2021 #24
hadEnuf Jun 2021 #27
ananda Jun 2021 #31
Warpy Jun 2021 #26
usaf-vet Jun 2021 #29
MineralMan Jun 2021 #30

Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 10:06 AM

1. Give the DOJ time.

It takes a long time to build airtight cases against powerful people. We want the case to be as solid as possible to ensure conviction. Now, if a year from now we’re not seeing any action, then yes, your points would be correct.

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Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 11:54 AM

11. A year from now will be

five months until an election that we very well may lose. Tik-toc my friends.

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:59 PM

28. So what makes you think that

nothing is being done now? Do you believe that investigators would make their evidence, methods, contacts and interviews available to the general public in order to tip off suspects so the subjects of investigation can cover their tracks?

I share your alarm that the growing fascist movement in the US needs to be halted. Indictments and trials of criminals will contribute to their demise. But if you are as anxious about them as I am, you, yourself, can help to halt the spread of ideologies that would overthrow democracy in the US. You can support candidates who oppose the RW politicians. You can do phone calls for them from a distance, even if they are not in your area. Just contact their campaign headquarters or your local Dem office to find out what you can do to help them.

Learn about the issues of the Dem candidates and spread them on social media. Contact Dem representatives in the House and Senate to let them know the issues you are concerned about.

And don't assume that nothing is being done about investigations just because you have not been taken into the personal confidence of the investigators to know what evidence they are accumulating and what private interviews they are conducting. Think about local crimes in your community. What DA worthy of the title reveals the details of an investigation while it is ongoing?

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 10:07 AM

2. The wheels of justice turn slowly. The frump org was notified a couple of wks ago that chrgs

Have moved from civil to criminal. A grand jury is currently meeting to hear evidence to such

Watch Glen Kirschner on YouTube, you can sometimes find his videos posted here as well. As a former federal prosecutor he knows why it moves so slowly, and does a good job of explaining it.

Besides, the last thing they want to do is rush this and have the case overturned due to not enough evidence

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 10:09 AM

3. It does seem surreal that we're still in a position

of ‘wait and see’. The Arizona situation is so absurd. If Dems had tried to pull off something like that the GOP would have made a filing to the Supreme Court within an hour. I am certain the GOP would have moved aggressively to stop it and succeeded.

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Response to blm (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 10:14 AM

4. Yes! I get the DOJ and the Trump org

Case moving slow. But, the Arizona recount should have been stopped in its tracks once the ballots were moved to a new location.

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Response to bamagal62 (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:44 PM

25. It was illegal to hand the ballots over according to the states own law.

The ballots are out of the chain of command.

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 10:15 AM

5. If you lived through Watergate (as many of us have)

... you would understand that it all takes time. Getting anxious and champing at the bit doesn't help. The wheels of justice turn slowly, but they are turning. Patience, grasshopper!

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 11:56 AM

12. I lived thru Watergate and Nixon flew

away with a wave and a smile.

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 11:08 AM

6. These things do not happen overnight - or for that matter four months into a new administration. 🔚

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 11:12 AM

7. You're an alarmist.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 11:57 AM

13. At least you

didn't call me Shirley.

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:34 PM

22. Ha!

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 11:13 AM

8. We are being strung along while all vestiges of a democratic republic are being dismantled.

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 11:30 AM

9. We Should All Be Alarmists

When Legislature rolls out a Bill allowing that Legislature to change an election result.....we’re in increasing jeopardy of a slide into Autocracy.

I think Mansion is worried more about his reelection chances that doing what is necessary to hold on to our democracy.

We are so, so close to a bad place.

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 11:41 AM

10. Not an alarmist but a realist.

We remember what did not happen after 2008.

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:00 PM

14. I hope venting helps. It can be a form of therapy. It's the actions

that you take next that matter, though.

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:04 PM

15. Perhaps you should write to Attorney General Garland and tell him to speed things up....

...I'm sure he can accommodate your demands.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:17 PM

16. That is his job after all.

If my employer found me sitting on my hands I would have to explain why. Maybe an explanation or update would help ease my mind.

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:27 PM

21. So AG Garland is sitting on his hands?

When you were a prosecutor, who quickly did you deliver indictments?

“We know he’s guilty”isn’t the way criminal justice works.

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:23 PM

18. RefuKKKchickens are relying on Dem voters losing heart because they elected impotence

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:23 PM

19. Just because you are not a witness...

...doesn't mean action is not being taken. I know, I'm afraid too, but at least we're moving in the right direction. My greatest fear is that the action we take, the crimes revealed, won't matter to enough people to make a difference in the next election cycle.

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:25 PM

20. The Supreme Court will have a decision on Trump's crimes

in June of 2028.

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:35 PM

23. Thanks to Manchin, executive power, including through DOJ, is all that's left.

I expect more to unfold from Garland’s DOJ during Biden’s term, but I’m not sure it will enough to halt America’s decline into full blown fascism.

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:38 PM

24. It is alarming what's going on right now.

So far the Reeps completely have the upper hand...
and it doesn't look good for the future.

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Response to ananda (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:55 PM

27. It seems that the Repigs always get the upper hand

whether in the majority or the minority.

If they are not pushing us around personally it seems many in our own party are willing to help them out.

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Response to hadEnuf (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 03:24 PM

31. And none of it makes any sense whatsoever.

Well, except for the weird reach of racism maybe.

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:47 PM

26. Scree-thunk. Screee-thunk

The wheels of justice turn slowly, and you're going to see the foot soldiers face it long before the courts nibble up the food chain to the generals. Remember, it took 30 years to put Pinochet away. I doubt it will take that long here, but it most likely happen during Biden's term.

What troubles me more is that idiot Manchin's betrayal on the voting rights bill. Just what is that colossal jackass playing at?

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 01:19 PM

29. I hate to say it but I attempted to express my same fears and apprehension YESTERDAY.

What I got was a lot of well what would you do. Tell us what YOUR plan is etc, etc, etc.

I guess our points are similar I don't want to be sitting here "five months" from the election and hoping the Dems can hold on to power and possibly gain some Senate seats.

So I hope you and I and OTHERs are driven to say 'we told you so'!

The current Governor of my state announced he is going to run again...so I donated money to his campaign.

I want the Dems to win and straighten out the mess but it is hard to not get frustrated when history tells us the Repugs will DO ANYTHING to WIN and we let DINO's rule the day.

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 02:15 PM

30. How are you planning to see what is going on at the DOJ?

Do you work there? Do you know someone who does?

Prosecutors don't show their hands during their investigations and planning. DOJ officials also don't tell the media the step-by-step process they are using to build their case.

We all want action on these things. New York state has empaneled Grand Juries already. What is the DOJ doing? You tell me. They're not leaking what they're doing to the media. They don't want the other side to know where they are.

You can be alarmed, if you like. However, unless you are in a position to know what is happening inside the DOJ, or are in a position to influence people in the DOJ, you're going to have to wait, just like the rest of us. Being alarmed, however, will not change anything that is happening. It just frustrates you.

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