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Thu Jun 3, 2021, 03:31 PM

Can the US revoke citizenship? nt

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Reply Can the US revoke citizenship? nt (Original post)
Progressive Jones Jun 2021 OP
drray23 Jun 2021 #1
PoliticAverse Jun 2021 #2
drray23 Jun 2021 #3
PoliticAverse Jun 2021 #5
drray23 Jun 2021 #10
Progressive Jones Jun 2021 #6
Buns_of_Fire Jun 2021 #4
Progressive Jones Jun 2021 #7
gopiscrap Jun 2021 #8
dawg day Jun 2021 #11
gopiscrap Jun 2021 #13
StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #9
Progressive Jones Jun 2021 #12

Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 03:35 PM

1. yes there is a judicial procedure for that.

it can happen to a naturalized us citizen if it's proven they lied to obtain the citizenship. Under rare circumstances even native born us citizens can be stripped of it, treason for example.

https://www.usa.gov/renounce-lose-citizenship

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 03:48 PM

2. Grounds for Revocation of Naturalization

From: https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-l-chapter-2

In general, a person is subject to revocation of naturalization on the following grounds:
A. Person Procures Naturalization Illegally

A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if he or she procured naturalization illegally. Procuring naturalization illegally simply means that the person was not eligible for naturalization in the first place. Accordingly, any eligibility requirement for naturalization that was not met can form the basis for an action to revoke the naturalization of a person. This includes the requirements of residence, physical presence, lawful admission for permanent residence, good moral character, and attachment to the U.S. Constitution.

Discovery that a person failed to comply with any of the requirements for naturalization at the time the person became a U.S. citizen renders his or her naturalization illegally procured. This applies even if the person is innocent of any willful deception or misrepresentation.
B. Concealment of Material Fact or Willful Misrepresentation
1. Concealment of Material Fact or Willful Misrepresentation

A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if there is deliberate deceit on the part of the person in misrepresenting or failing to disclose a material fact or facts on his or her naturalization application and subsequent examination.

In general, a person is subject to revocation of naturalization on this basis if:

The naturalized U.S. citizen misrepresented or concealed some fact;

The misrepresentation or concealment was willful;

The misrepresented or concealed fact or facts were material; and

The naturalized U.S. citizen procured citizenship as a result of the misrepresentation or concealment.

This ground of revocation includes omissions as well as affirmative misrepresentations. The misrepresentations can be oral testimony provided during the naturalization interview or can include information contained on the application submitted by the applicant. The courts determine whether the misrepresented or concealed fact or facts were material. The test for materiality is whether the misrepresentations or concealment had a tendency to affect the decision. It is not necessary that the information, if disclosed, would have precluded naturalization.
2. Membership or Affiliation with Certain Organizations

A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if the person becomes a member of, or affiliated with, the Communist party, other totalitarian party, or terrorist organization within five years of his or her naturalization. In general, a person who is involved with such organizations cannot establish the naturalization requirements of having an attachment to the Constitution and of being well-disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States.

The fact that a person becomes involved with such an organization within five years after the date of naturalization is prima facie evidence that he or she concealed or willfully misrepresented material evidence that would have prevented the personís naturalization.
C. Other than Honorable Discharge before Five Years of Honorable Service after Naturalization

A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if:

The person became a U.S. citizen through naturalization on the basis of honorable service in the U.S. armed forces;

The person subsequently separates from the U.S. armed forces under other than honorable conditions; and

The other than honorable discharge occurs before the person has served honorably for a period or periods aggregating at least five years.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 03:51 PM

3. that's just for naturalized citizens.

It is also possible for native born citizens ( although rare) to be stripped of it. In cases of treason for example or running for office in another country, pledging allegiance and being part of another country military as I posted above.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 04:01 PM

5. Renouncing is not revoking. n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 04:42 PM

10. read the article i linked instead of just the link.nt.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 04:03 PM

6. Thank You. nt

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 03:53 PM

4. Do you have anyone in particular in mind?

I do, but I'm afraid that won't be happening.

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Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 04:05 PM

7. Same here. Won't happen, but I'd love to see the 1/6 scum removed. nt

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 04:05 PM

8. I am a naturalized citizen

I achieved my citizenship at 17. Three years ago I was knee deep in protesting against the trump admin as to their policies regarding refugees. In 1988 I had a "welcoming" party for George Bush Sr in which myself and 6 others were charged with inciting a riot. In 2018 my wife and I were going to work in a refugee camp in Greece and were put on the no fly list and also I had my citizenship threatened. Lucky for me I knew a bunch of lawyers, I had to go before a panel and wound up getting an injunction against trump to leave me alone. But the short answer is: YES the government can revoke your naturalized citizenship

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 06:03 PM

11. Wow, that's scary.

I didn't realize that naturalized citizens don't have 1st amendment rights, but it sure seems like that's a threat.

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Response to dawg day (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 10:44 PM

13. it sure is

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 04:07 PM

9. Natural-born citizens' citizenship can be revoked only if convicted of treason or unsurrection

 

AND only then, if the act of treason or insurrection was committed with the intention of renouncing citizenship.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 06:16 PM

12. Thank You nt

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