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Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:23 PM

Went to the sporting goods store. Only a couple of others masked. Vaccinated or not vaccinated?

My opinion is that the others who were masked were probably vaccinated, like me. I doubt that many unvaccinated people wear masks to protect themselves. Am I being too cynical?

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Reply Went to the sporting goods store. Only a couple of others masked. Vaccinated or not vaccinated? (Original post)
nature-lover Jun 2021 OP
AZ8theist Jun 2021 #1
Quoph Jun 2021 #2
nature-lover Jun 2021 #3
SoonerPride Jun 2021 #4
Xavier Breath Jun 2021 #5
DesertRat Jun 2021 #30
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Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #7
SoCalDavidS Jun 2021 #9
Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #10
roamer65 Jun 2021 #8
Arkansas Granny Jun 2021 #11
StarryNite Jun 2021 #12
NQAS Jun 2021 #13
NQAS Jun 2021 #14
frazzled Jun 2021 #16
NQAS Jun 2021 #17
Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #19
Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2021 #21
Ace Rothstein Jun 2021 #15
Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #18
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Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #23
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Response to nature-lover (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:29 PM

1. Nope. I think you're 100% right.

I feel the same way in Arizona. Thankfully my company enforces mask wearing while at work.

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Response to nature-lover (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:33 PM

2. Tends to be about 90% of people wearing masks in stores where I live

Although I suspect that at least half of them are wearing masks because thatís what youíre supposed to doing in my area, rather than because theyíre scared of COVID.

I assume that the 10% of people not wearing masks are unvaccinated.

Surprised that thereís any place in the country where masking isnít the norm.

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Response to Quoph (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:41 PM

3. Welcome to DU!

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Response to Quoph (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:42 PM

4. Welcome to DU

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Response to Quoph (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:46 PM

5. Welcome to DU.

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Response to Quoph (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 02:06 PM

30. I'm in a mountain town in Arizona and very rarely see anyone in a mask

Where do you live? Welcome to DU.

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Response to nature-lover (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:52 PM

6. We live in an area that is Trump-leaning

yet I am pleasantly surprised by the number I people I see that are still opting to wear masks. In my experience the majority, my self most assuredly included, are still donning masks. And, I would tend to believe that those who take the time/responsibility to mask up are likely vaccinated.

If a mask is unnecessary to a person, then the vaccine probably is as well.

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Response to nature-lover (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:21 PM

7. More peope unmasked around here than are vaccinated.

I live in a county in which only 39% of people are vaccinated. Consistently well over 50% are unmasked. And most of the people whose vaccination status I know are following the opposite protocol (i.e those I know are vaccinated are wearing masks; those I know are NOT vaccinated are not.)

So its pretty clear that the honor system is broken, as many of us predicted.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:28 PM

9. A Large # Of Americans Have NO Honor nt

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Response to SoCalDavidS (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:32 PM

10. Pretty much what I said to the Dean of the law school I teach at,

to pass on to the powers that be, in urging that we either require everyone to mask OR implement a "prove it" system. Those we have had to coerce to do the right thing have already proven they have no honor - and we are going to trust their honor and sense of altrusim to keep the 0-11 year olds safe?

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Response to nature-lover (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:23 PM

8. My mask says "Moderna vaccinated".

I make it easy for people to know.

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Response to nature-lover (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:34 PM

11. I went to eat with my daughter over the weekend. The restaurant had a sign saying

that masks were not required, but appreciated. Wait staff were all masked. Besides me and my daughter, I didn't see anyone else wearing a mask. Since our state has a vaccination rate of only 31%, I doubt they were all vaccinated. We opted to dine on the patio.

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Response to nature-lover (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:44 PM

12. I think you are spot on.

I believe most of the people wearing masks are vaccinated and most who do not wear masks aren't.

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Response to nature-lover (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:54 PM

14. In grocery store today

Everybody was masked. Good sign, I think.

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Response to NQAS (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 06:09 PM

16. Our groceries still have a "masks required" sign

And everyone complies. Although fully vaccinated since the beginning of March (almost 3 months), I still wonít go into any store that doesnít require masks. Maybe Iím crazy, but itís going to take some time for me to break the habit.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 10:52 PM

17. Our city has gone to masks recommended

So far, masks seem to be a continuing habit.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 11:24 PM

19. Unfortunately, I no longer have that option,

Unless i revert to shopping online.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 11:45 PM

21. I made another pick-up order yesterday morning.

Heck, I plan to keep doing it because it's so convenient and free. I've been ordering about a month's worth of food from that store each time for over a year now, enough that my shopping cart might overflow if I did it indoors again.

I briefly walked inside that store a few days ago, though, mostly to pick out a graduation card for a relative and a couple creamers for my coffee. So I wasn't in there long.

It was about 50% unmasked people in there already! The vaccination rate isn't that high around here yet.

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Response to nature-lover (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:54 PM

15. As a vaccinated person, I only wear a mask when required by the business.

I'm following the science and the CDC.

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Response to Ace Rothstein (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 11:23 PM

18. Science and the CDC are not synonymous

And plenty of scientists disagree with the CDC now, as have the ones i have listened to during the past year and a half when the CDC has repeatedly gotten it wrong.


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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 12:14 AM

22. The science shows that the vaccines are incredibly effective.

Yes, they aren't 100% but I'm willing to take the risk that I won't be the .00001% who dies while vaccinated. Especially in my 40's. Cases are also plummeting in Illinois.

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Response to Ace Rothstein (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 08:59 AM

23. COVID is a societal problem far more than it is an individual one.

Your posture looks at the science relative to disease's impact on you - and then only a teeny slice of its impact on you (whehter it is lkely to kill you).

And you are misinterpreting the number you are quoting in a way that gives you a false sense of security. That is a number calculated based on actual deaths in a particular community, over a particular (very short) period of time, under heavy mitigation. So it is your chance of dying under identical circumstances, over a very short period of time. Assuming you expect to live longer than the 3 months (average in teh study), after mitigation stops, those numbers are way off.

Given that 21.5% of the population had had COVID over a year-ish. Had an mRNA vaccination been available, 1.075% (5% of cases) would have been breakthrough cases. 2% of those (case fatality rate) would have died. That mean a better estimate of your chance of dying post vaccinaton woudl be .02% (not .00001%). If you had J&J, your chances are closer to .11% Still pretty good protection - but nowhere near the fantastical numbers you are relying on which only measure a few months' exposure under condititions in which active additional mitigaton was being used.

"Will I die" is not generally a healthy way to look at a pandemic - in fact it's the justification far toomany maskholes have given for refusing to wear masks all along, for dismissing the severity of COVID, and for not getting vaccinations currently.

The center for disease control is supposed to be focused on controlling disease - not merely the likelihood a single individual might die. They dropped the ball when they failed to take into account:

* The hard-learned reality that those inclined not to vaccinate are also inclined not to take other mitigating steps unless forced.
* The devastating non-death impact of COVID
* The reality that children cannot be vaccinated - and will be increasingly exposed to COVID from idiots who aren't vaccinated and aren't wearing masks
* The reality of large numbers - your chance of becomeing a breakthrough statistic increases in direct proportion to the number of exposures you have that are capable of causing COVID - so by giving a wink and a not to unvaccinated people not wearing masks, each of our chances of becoming a breakthrough statistic increases.
* The reality that all of the unvaccinated people running around are creating variants, and the more variants created - the greater the risk that one will be created that our vaccinations will not prevent.

An enforced masking for unvaccinated people (i.e. door checks, wrist-bands indicating vaccination status) would provide adequate protection. But we know from very recent, disastrous experimentation that the honor system does not work. Only enforced mitigation works. So unless we magically get the stomach to check and enforce masking for the unvaccinated, we should be using the method that has proven to work - enforced masking for all. At least until the 0-11 year olds can be vaccinated. (That still leaves a number of others who are vulnerable for reasons beyond their control, but it is a lot closer to acting like the responsible citizens we claim to be.)

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Response to nature-lover (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 11:32 PM

20. I think you're probably correct, but I was unmasked...

... a few days ago in a grocery store.

I wore a regular cloth mask initially, but later took it off after my glasses kept fogging terribly. If I do it again, I'll bring some clear medical tape to prevent my breath from escaping at the top of it. I'm fully vaccinated, but wanted to wear the mask just to be conscientious. About 50% of the people inside were unmasked, including NONE of the Kroger employees that I saw except for one guy in the meat department.

I've been wearing an N100 mask with an exhalation valve directed downward (which I covered with a cloth mask) for so long that I forgot about the glass-fogging issue. Plus the humidity is insane again around here, as usual.

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Response to nature-lover (Original post)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 01:42 PM

24. Hardly anyone masked at the grocery store, including employees.

One employee who saw my husband was masked & trying to avoid her, walked right toward him, laughing, "I'm coming right near you." WTF? He's seen this kind of rude behavior by tons of unmasked people, disrespecting social distancing because you have a mask on. WTF is wrong with people?

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Response to nature-lover (Original post)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 01:49 PM

25. Don't know don't care

I have been vaccinated, so my chances of contracting a severe case of COVID is close to zero.

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Response to nature-lover (Original post)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 01:51 PM

26. You got it right. Anti-maskers are generally anti-vaxxers.

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Response to nature-lover (Original post)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 02:00 PM

27. Who knows? Vaccinated equals no masks needed. I am in.

Advantage of being vaccinated, as well as very much lowering the chances of catching/spreading C19.

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Response to nature-lover (Original post)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 02:03 PM

28. Yeah

The masks have come off, people are now comfortable without them, so here in MI you have 50% vaccinated and the store has 75% without masks, it doesn't add up.

It is what it is now though, the vaccines have slowed the spread a lot and pretty much from here on out only the non vaccinated will be getting it and dying.

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Response to nature-lover (Original post)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 02:05 PM

29. Several here have commented that they do NOT intend to wear masks anymore.

Thereís really no way to know who is or isnít vaxxed.

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