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Mon May 31, 2021, 07:34 PM

Tulsa wasn't alone. There were dozens of massacres

After the Civil War, and especially after WWI, in states from New York to California. 1919 was especially bloody when it came to white mob violence, so much so that it was known as Red 1919. Here is an interactive map of some of the bloodshed.

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/05/us/whitewashing-of-america-racism/

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Reply Tulsa wasn't alone. There were dozens of massacres (Original post)
Doc Sportello May 2021 OP
I_UndergroundPanther May 2021 #1
Doc Sportello May 2021 #3
hatrack May 2021 #2
Doc Sportello May 2021 #4
lastlib May 2021 #10
Doc Sportello May 2021 #15
lastlib Jun 2021 #16
Klaralven Jun 2021 #19
flying rabbit May 2021 #5
LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #6
moondust May 2021 #7
zentrum May 2021 #8
Raine May 2021 #9
uponit7771 Jun 2021 #21
GulfCoast66 May 2021 #11
AverageOldGuy May 2021 #12
Doc Sportello May 2021 #14
Politicalgolfer Jun 2021 #20
BobTheSubgenius May 2021 #13
lastlib Jun 2021 #17
live love laugh Jun 2021 #18

Response to Doc Sportello (Original post)

Mon May 31, 2021, 07:36 PM

1. That is the year my father was born.

He was a raging asshole. Coincidence.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Reply #1)

Mon May 31, 2021, 07:39 PM

3. It was a time when racism reached a zenith

In terms of establishment support of the KKK and ignoring lynchings and other forms of white violence such as race riots.

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Response to Doc Sportello (Original post)

Mon May 31, 2021, 07:37 PM

2. And an excellent article from the Guardian about Red Summer

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Response to hatrack (Reply #2)

Mon May 31, 2021, 07:40 PM

4. Thank you

The current focus on Tulsa is good but it should be placed in the context of what was going on at the time - and it was widespread.

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Response to Doc Sportello (Reply #4)

Mon May 31, 2021, 10:09 PM

10. I agree with you! Context is critical!

I've been told that my grandfather participated in a lynching in the early 1920's, several years before my mother was born. I've never had a chance to research it, but I would like to do so some day.

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Response to lastlib (Reply #10)

Mon May 31, 2021, 11:07 PM

15. A well known book on the subject is "100 years of lynchings"

I read it in college. The author compiles newspaper and other archival material about lynchings that were more commonplace than people realize, and often were almost celebratory events.

There may be something about your event in it. It is still in publication:
https://www.amazon.com/100-Years-Lynchings-Ralph-Ginzburg/dp/0933121180?asin=0933121180&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1

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Response to Doc Sportello (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:04 AM

16. Thanks for the tip! I will look into it!



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Response to lastlib (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:00 PM

19. Lynchings: By State and Race, 1882-1968 *

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingsstate.html

1,297 whites, 3,446 blacks, 4,743 total
*Statistics provided by the Archives at Tuskegee Institute.

Georgia lynched the largest number of blacks. Texas lynched the most whites.

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Response to Doc Sportello (Original post)

Mon May 31, 2021, 07:52 PM

5. Excellent link

thanks.

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Response to Doc Sportello (Original post)

Mon May 31, 2021, 08:19 PM

6. Tulsa was not the only massacre

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Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Reply #6)

Mon May 31, 2021, 08:38 PM

7. Sick.

I had no idea.

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Response to Doc Sportello (Original post)

Mon May 31, 2021, 09:47 PM

8. Link is heart-stopping. K&R

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Response to Doc Sportello (Original post)

Mon May 31, 2021, 10:03 PM

9. There was a mass lynching of Chinese people

in Los Angeles in 1871 it was one of the worst in US history.

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Response to Raine (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 1, 2021, 09:21 PM

21. +1

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Response to Doc Sportello (Original post)

Mon May 31, 2021, 10:10 PM

11. I live about 10 miles from Ocoee, Florida site of a massacre on Election Day 1920

African Americans had organized a voter registration drive, led by the most prosperous of them.

When they tried to vote it kicked off a riot that wet into overdrive at the home of a prosperous black man named July Perry. When the lynch mob tried to break into his house, knowing he was going to die he shot the shit out of them. Killing 2 and injuring several. He was eventually killed and his body hung by a lamp post 20 miles away in Orlando.

All black residents were driven from the town and their property seized. An estimated 35 were killed and an unknown number of whites were shot as the African Americans fought back.

No African Americans moved back until 1981 and it was still seen as a racist town when I moved here in the mid-80ís.

Today it is a large, multicultural bedroom community for Orlando.

The only good thing our shitty Governor has done is sign a decree that the massacre must be taught in Florida public schools.

Orlando put up a monument to Perry. We should name highways after him. He was an American hero.

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Response to Doc Sportello (Original post)

Mon May 31, 2021, 10:21 PM

12. My comment is slightly off-topic . . . but not by much . . .

Today I was watching Lawrence O'Donnell. He was addressing the current recognition being given to the Tulsa Massacre of 1921.

One of his guests was a guy named Tim Miller who . . . as best I can tell . . . is a hard-core Republican, though he is very much anti-Trump. According to Wikipedia he graduated from high school in 2000, which would make him 40, more or less. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Miller_(political_strategist)

Miller made a statement that left me with my mouth hanging open -- he said (as best I recall): "I am well-educated but up until now I never heard of the Tulsa massacre and until a few days ago I had never heard of the Birmingham church bombing."

I damn near fell out of my chair.

Of course, I'm an old guy (76), born and reared in Mississippi, I was a college student in Alabama in the 1960's and I recall clearly:
-- Birmingham church bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Street_Baptist_Church_bombing
-- Schwerner-Chaney-Goodman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Chaney,_Goodman,_and_Schwerner
-- Emmett Till https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till
-- Burning of freedom rider bus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Riders
-- and dozens of other events that everyone should know.






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Response to AverageOldGuy (Reply #12)

Mon May 31, 2021, 11:02 PM

14. Yes, those events were huge in the 50s and 60s

I remember the Mississippi killings when I was 11 being a big deal. The others I was a little too young, but good grief, I READ and LEARNED about them later. Is that too much to ask younger people to do? I guess for many it is.

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Response to AverageOldGuy (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 1, 2021, 09:18 PM

20. AverageOldGuy....I am same age

..and I am stunned by people even in our age group who are oblivious to all that was taking place at that time! Good God, there were like only 2 & later 3 networks. The news wasn't entertainment as it is now but real, focused, etc. In other words, there were people who never watched or read the news or knew what went on outside their own cowtown😠

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Response to Doc Sportello (Original post)

Mon May 31, 2021, 10:30 PM

13. Good God.

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Response to Doc Sportello (Original post)

Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:06 AM

17. This seems to be turning into our own national "Holocaust."

As a nation, we have GOT to come to grips with it.

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