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Sat May 29, 2021, 09:30 PM

I wonder if the Democrats are planning something big

I keep hearing complaints from people that Biden and the Dems aren't being aggressive enough at just steamrolling the Republicans and doing what they want. However, I am starting to wonder if they aren't building up to nuking the filibuster and just ramming their agenda through. My theory is that after 4 years of Trump, then the refusal to accept the election results, and then after January 6th that the Dems very much realize how fucked things are and how quickly they need to fix things. There are massive chances that are needed aand safeguards in place to prevent a more successful Trump.

I wonder after January 6th if people like McCarthy and McConnell maybe gave assurances to the Dems that they could get their insane party under control. However, when they clearly failed and clearly gave up that caused the Dems are going to plan B. However, they can't just nuke the filibuster. There's too much resistance from people like Manchin who don't quite grasp the seriousness of the situation as other Dems do and if they move too quickly, it could be a PR disaster thanks to the Republicans screaming about liberal power grabs. So now, in order to really force Manchin too open his eyes that his demands for "bipartisanship" will never work in the current environment and the neuter Republican attacks as much as possible, the Dems are trying to get votes on important and popular bills. They are playing the "bipartisanship" angle by having negotiations and trying to pass popular legislation, even very important legislation like the January 6th Commission but are failing. They are failing because the Republicans are too broken to work with and that's the point. They are showing the majority of the country who are still listening( but who over time could lose interest or worse turn to the dark side) and key Senators like Manchin and maybe even some still sane Republicans in the Senate, that the filibuster has to go.

The filibuster has been abused by the Republicans to the point that it's ruining the country and making essential, nation preserving change possible. I think the Dems are gearing up to nuke the filibuster. Then they will ram through legislation that needs to be passed and quickly. These would be things like a new voting rights act to stamp out the desperate Republican voter suppression laws, but also to get popular laws like mass infrastructure and maybe even student loan forgiveness through. That would keep people from losing faith in the country. In other words showing that the traditional way of doing things can still get shit done. It would also keep people like Sanders Millennials and Gen Z voters engaged in the long term.

That's my theory. I believe the Dems has a massive plan in the works and their current laid back, moving slow, not taking things seriously enough demeanor is a bluff .

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Reply I wonder if the Democrats are planning something big (Original post)
Dr. Jack May 2021 OP
SoCalDavidS May 2021 #1
dem4decades May 2021 #5
intrepidity May 2021 #20
Budi May 2021 #24
Poiuyt May 2021 #27
StarfishSaver May 2021 #29
hamsterjill May 2021 #2
smirkymonkey May 2021 #6
mvd May 2021 #13
hamsterjill May 2021 #17
mvd May 2021 #21
hamsterjill May 2021 #22
jimfields33 May 2021 #3
PortTack May 2021 #4
Irish_Dem May 2021 #7
Dr. Jack May 2021 #9
Irish_Dem May 2021 #15
Takket May 2021 #8
Dr. Jack May 2021 #10
msfiddlestix May 2021 #11
elleng May 2021 #12
Nexus2 May 2021 #14
MacKasey May 2021 #16
Budi May 2021 #26
Crunchy Frog May 2021 #18
Fiendish Thingy May 2021 #19
Joinfortmill May 2021 #25
Joinfortmill May 2021 #23
TomDaisy May 2021 #28
FrankTC May 2021 #30
Dr. Jack Jun 2021 #31

Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 09:31 PM

1. Keeping Their Powder Dry Since 2000. nt

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Response to SoCalDavidS (Reply #1)

Sat May 29, 2021, 09:35 PM

5. LOL

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Response to SoCalDavidS (Reply #1)

Sat May 29, 2021, 10:19 PM

20. OMG +1 nt

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Response to SoCalDavidS (Reply #1)

Sat May 29, 2021, 10:28 PM

24. Well... OR, "Why some will act as tho She never existed"

Because She was correct in Her warning, yet every single person, those who ignored Her are guilty as Fk.

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Response to SoCalDavidS (Reply #1)

Sat May 29, 2021, 10:47 PM

27. This

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Response to SoCalDavidS (Reply #1)

Sun May 30, 2021, 02:48 AM

29. Are you saying the Democrats haven't accomplished anything since 2000?

 

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #2)

Sat May 29, 2021, 09:36 PM

6. +1000

Same here, but I would be more than happy to be proven wrong on this.

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #2)

Sat May 29, 2021, 09:54 PM

13. Same here

The American Rescue Plan did give me a lot of hope and Iím not ready to abandon that hope.

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #17)

Sat May 29, 2021, 10:22 PM

21. I understand

We really donít have time to waste with bipartisanship talk. Control of the House and Senate is too tenuous. We need to do as much for the people as we possibly can:

- Filibuster reform or elimination
- Voting rights
- More stimulus payments and unemployment benefits that canít be taken away
- Health care and prescription drug reform including public option and Medicare age lowered
- Climate crisis legislation
- Police reform
- Major infrastructure spending
- $15 minimum wage
- Gun control

And more..

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 09:33 PM

3. If they are, I think it must be done in June and July before summer recess

As the come back in mid-September, focus will transition to election a year away. Iím not say everything, but it does begin election season then.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 09:34 PM

4. Well..,there's this from a few weeks back. I bookmarked it thinking it would surface again

Law professors: the filibuster is unconstitutional, and Kamala Harris can issue a ruling

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215256096

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 09:42 PM

7. I am having some of the same thoughts.

McConnell is desperate to get some help with the GOP crazy clown train. Even if he has to give something to the Dems in return.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #7)

Sat May 29, 2021, 09:49 PM

9. I wonder if McConnell is more of a naive, indifferent, cynical old conservative

I don't think he has any altruistic motives or is secretly helping the Democrats. He is probably more like conservatives in Italy and Germany who allied with the fascists because while they knew they were bad, they though the left was far worse. They also thought they could control the ultra right wing elements. I think that's where McConnell is at. The analogy is a bit hyperbolic since I don't think we are a few years away from being full-blown Nazi Germany, I do think McConnell is too out of touch and naive to realize allying with the far Right is extremely dangerous.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Reply #9)

Sat May 29, 2021, 10:01 PM

15. I agree with the cynical, indifferent part, but I think McC is a shrewd cookie when it

comes to retaining his power and protecting himself. And he is ruthless. He doesn't care about the country or the GOP. But he cares about his power and wealth. And Trump and minions are a threat to him personally and professionally. Absolutely he has absolutely no desire to help those he perceives as his Dem enemies.

However he is pragmatic and will start horse trading with Dem leaders if he has to. Who knows, maybe he helped defeat the 1/6 congressional bill just to allow the Dems to set up a special commission with some teeth. In exchange for personal pass on his part in the insurrection, and also the the Dems leave him and his wife's wealth and wrong doing alone. And the Dems agree to go after some of McC's biggest GOP enemies.

I think you and are feeling some of the same behind the scenes maneuvering. We just have not quite pinned it down yet.

ETA: I do think McC is struggling with how to handle the GOP crazy train. He has been all over the map trying to deal with them but nothing is working. So he may have to do some backroom wheeling and dealing with Dem power brokers, like the old days.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 09:48 PM

8. i don't think so, but Schumer needs to press the agenda....

have the house pass all the bills, then have the Senate vote, then have MCConnel invoke filibuster

1/6 commission already done for all of America to see
Voting rights act
15 dollar minimum wage
assault weapon ban
etc etc

bring the filibuster forefront EVERY WEEK on something... and when the GOP refuses to compromise, or only offers a "compromise" that is a bill full of bullshit, keep pressuring Manchin and Sinema. Show them they will NEVER want to compromise............. then maybe we can change their minds.

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Response to Takket (Reply #8)

Sat May 29, 2021, 09:50 PM

10. I didn't say they were going to do that indefinitely

Probably only for a few more weeks before they pull the trigger

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 09:51 PM

11. it's a fantasy I entertain, but I ain't holding my breath .

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 09:52 PM

12. PLEASE!

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 09:55 PM

14. What could they have planned that Manchin and Sinema couldn't torpedo? [nt]

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 10:01 PM

16. My thought is President Biden has his own time table

He will give enough them enough rope and when he is ready, they will be hung out to dry.

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Response to MacKasey (Reply #16)

Sat May 29, 2021, 10:32 PM

26. Agree. He plays an ages old long-game, with his cards close to the vest

I trust him completely.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 10:04 PM

18. I'll believe it when I see it. They don't have much time to work with.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 10:08 PM

19. Here's my guesstimate at this summer's timeline, based on reports from various sources

And my own completely fallible intuition:

1) June, after return from recess: Pelosi creates House Select Committee to investigate the January 6 insurrection, with televised hearings beginning shortly thereafter;

2) week of June 21: Schumer has scheduled the Senate to take up HR1/S1, voting rights bill. This will result in a GOP filibuster, which I think Schumer will try to force a rule change to require a talking filibuster. Will it succeed? Stay tuned.

3) June/July: at some point after returning from recess, Biden, Pelosi and Schumer will declare the negotiations to create a bipartisan infrastructure bill to have failed and are now ended. Pelosi and Schumer will move forward with passing the bill via reconciliation. This will put Manchin on the spot and on the record as supporting or obstructing Bidenís agenda.

4) August recess: this is where it gets interesting; if HR1/S1 hasnít been passed yet, expect Schumer to push to require a talking filibuster with a quorum of at least 40 senators present during the recess. If the GOP cannot sustain a talking filibuster under these conditions, expect Schumer, with Harris, to invoke cloture, reconvene the senate, and take a floor vote on the voting rights bill(s).* Once again, Manchin (and Sinema) will be on the spot and on the record supporting democracy or enabling Jim Crow 2.0.

* Itís entirely possible that Schumer will wait until after August recess to force a vote/talking filibuster on voting rights. If thatís the case, expect coordinated demonstrations demanding action on voting rights, across the country throughout the month of August. Expect protests to focus intensely on West Virginia and Arizona.

Anyway, by Labor Day we should have active televised investigations into January 6, some form of infrastructure/jobs bill, with perhaps a second bill pending, and either a signed voting rights bill, or the mother of all congressional battles, both intra- and inter-party.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #19)

Sat May 29, 2021, 10:29 PM

25. I like it. Fingers crossed.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 10:26 PM

23. I hope you are right, otherwise we're screwed.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Sun May 30, 2021, 02:28 AM

28. spoiler: no

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Sun May 30, 2021, 07:43 AM

30. Left-Wing Conspiracy Theories

I love it. Right-wing conspiracy theories involve people perceived as innately evil (e.g., Democrats) pretending to be good in order to work behind the scenes and wreak their twisted malevolence on the people (e.g., sex traffic Girl Scouts). Left-wing conspiracy theories involve kindly people (e.g., Democrats) masquerading as feckless in order to accomplish their benevolence on the people (e.g., infrastructure and voting rights). I suppose than in reality there are conspiracy theories left and right. Because political actors of course have plans and strategies that are unpublished. Perhaps the real differences involve truth (right-wingers really are trying to subvert democracy) and the cultish ability to believe nonsense (space lasers, ritual baby sacrifices, widespread election fraud) vs. abundant objective evidence of treason (obstruction of justice, documented collaboration with Russian operatives).

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:45 AM

31. Maybe I was right?

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