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Thu May 20, 2021, 12:54 AM

What If We Bulldozed Tel Aviv And Built An American Settlement There?

Give the inhabitants one hour to evacuate, and then do what they do to the Palestinians.

Build a settlement.

Say the land belongs to us.

We defeated the Nazis. The land surely belongs to us as much as anyone right?

Ok, ok. The Russians helped too. I never said America did it alone.

Let the Russians bulldoze a city and build a Russian settlement there.

I know this post will be flagged because of simply horrible people that support Palestinian murder, but I said it, and I meant it.

Just trying to put things into perspective.

If there were not settlements, there would be no Hamas firing missiles.

Period.

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Reply What If We Bulldozed Tel Aviv And Built An American Settlement There? (Original post)
DanieRains May 2021 OP
Ziggysmom May 2021 #1
question everything May 2021 #3
WHITT May 2021 #11
ripcord May 2021 #30
WHITT May 2021 #43
EX500rider May 2021 #54
WHITT May 2021 #58
EX500rider May 2021 #61
WHITT May 2021 #66
EX500rider May 2021 #72
EX500rider May 2021 #82
Cary May 2021 #35
WHITT May 2021 #45
WHITT May 2021 #10
Darwins_Retriever May 2021 #17
WHITT May 2021 #20
Darwins_Retriever May 2021 #26
WHITT May 2021 #46
ripcord May 2021 #33
WHITT May 2021 #47
cabot May 2021 #97
sarisataka May 2021 #28
WHITT May 2021 #48
sarisataka May 2021 #49
WHITT May 2021 #51
sarisataka May 2021 #52
WHITT May 2021 #53
Mosby May 2021 #59
WHITT May 2021 #60
Mosby May 2021 #65
WHITT May 2021 #68
LanternWaste May 2021 #83
EX500rider May 2021 #63
Mosby May 2021 #67
IsItJustMe May 2021 #100
EX500rider May 2021 #101
sarisataka May 2021 #73
RegularJam May 2021 #64
malaise May 2021 #16
hack89 May 2021 #29
DemocratSinceBirth May 2021 #32
ripcord May 2021 #31
Celerity May 2021 #21
Aristus May 2021 #22
Celerity May 2021 #38
Politicub May 2021 #70
EX500rider May 2021 #75
joetheman May 2021 #80
EX500rider May 2021 #81
Marrah_Goodman May 2021 #88
EX500rider May 2021 #90
Marrah_Goodman May 2021 #91
EX500rider May 2021 #92
Marrah_Goodman May 2021 #93
EX500rider May 2021 #95
question everything May 2021 #2
Crunchy Frog May 2021 #4
Progressive Jones May 2021 #5
Crunchy Frog May 2021 #6
Carlitos Brigante May 2021 #7
NoRethugFriends May 2021 #8
DemocratSinceBirth May 2021 #9
ShazzieB May 2021 #12
DanieRains May 2021 #14
DemocratSinceBirth May 2021 #24
cabot May 2021 #99
TheRickles May 2021 #13
Kaleva May 2021 #15
Beastly Boy May 2021 #18
Darwins_Retriever May 2021 #19
LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2021 #23
treestar May 2021 #25
DemocratSinceBirth May 2021 #27
Celerity May 2021 #40
Cary May 2021 #34
RANDYWILDMAN May 2021 #39
Mosby May 2021 #42
Elessar Zappa May 2021 #44
DanieRains May 2021 #56
Mosby May 2021 #62
DemocratSinceBirth May 2021 #77
Marrah_Goodman May 2021 #71
DemocratSinceBirth May 2021 #76
Mosby May 2021 #78
DemocratSinceBirth May 2021 #79
Marrah_Goodman May 2021 #84
DemocratSinceBirth May 2021 #85
Marrah_Goodman May 2021 #87
RANDYWILDMAN May 2021 #36
Takket May 2021 #37
RegularJam May 2021 #41
DemocratSinceBirth May 2021 #50
DanieRains May 2021 #55
DemocratSinceBirth May 2021 #57
Marrah_Goodman May 2021 #69
GoodRaisin May 2021 #96
48656c6c6f20 May 2021 #74
Marrah_Goodman May 2021 #89
electric_blue68 May 2021 #86
Ilsa May 2021 #94
treestar May 2021 #102
Ilsa May 2021 #103
FakeNoose May 2021 #98

Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 01:27 AM

1. Hamas is a terrorist organization that denies the Holocaust ever happened.

They do not recognize Israelís right to exist. Even if there were no settlements, Hamas would continue its path of violence. Itís sad that innocent people suffer because fools chose to hate.


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Response to Ziggysmom (Reply #1)

Thu May 20, 2021, 01:31 AM

3. And knew perfectly well that sending rockets to the heart of Israel will generate

a massive response. But, hey, what are lives and livelihoods of people compare to political points?

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Response to question everything (Reply #3)

Thu May 20, 2021, 01:59 AM

11. Backwards Revisionism

Rockets were launched as a COUNTER-ATTACK response.


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Response to WHITT (Reply #11)

Thu May 20, 2021, 11:02 AM

30. Hamas launched the first strike

That is why the world is condemning the Palestinians including other Arab nations.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #30)

Thu May 20, 2021, 12:53 PM

43. False

The fascist Likud ordered commandos to storm into the Al-Aqsa complex, one of the world's holiest structures located in Jerusalem's Old City, during a prayer service. They threw stun grenades and fired rounds at unarmed civilian Palestinians simply engaged in prayer. This was a blatant attempt to intentionally instigate a response in order to disrupt the forming of an alternative Israeli government, so the fascist Likud could ruthlessly retain power, not to mention it was an obvious War Crime.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #43)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:10 PM

54. You mean after the Israeli police came under fire from a storm of rocks and bottles?

Later on after Friday prayers - the last of Ramadan - major clashes erupt at the al-Aqsa mosque compound, injuring more than 200 people. Israel's police force says it used ďriot dispersal meansĒ, firing rubber bullets and stun grenades after officers came under a hail of stones and bottles.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57180718

I'll trust the BBC version over yours.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #54)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:23 PM

58. No, That Was OUTSIDE

The commandos (NOT police) ENTERED INTO THE INSIDE of the Al-Aqsa complex, one of the world's holiest structures located in Jerusalem's Old City, during a prayer service. They threw stun grenades and fired rounds at unarmed civilian Palestinians simply engaged in prayer.

Clearly a War Crime.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #58)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:26 PM

61. "Clearly a War Crime."

You really don't have a firm grasp on what is a war crime.
Police actions against riots in progress are not one of them.

Firing rockets across borders aimed at civilian in cities however is one.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #61)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:30 PM

66. You're Still Confused

1) It wasn't the police.

2) Fighting back against Illegal Military Occupation is perfectly legal.

3) You cannot aim unguided rockets at civilians.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #66)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:46 PM

72. Someone is certainly confused

1. I'll take the BBC's version over yours
2. Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005
3. You can certainly aim rockets by adjusting elevation and compass heading and aiming them at cities is certainly targeting civilians regardless of your incorrect opinion on the matter.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #66)

Thu May 20, 2021, 05:37 PM

82. I notice you are never able to present any links to any proof for anything you assert.

Funny that.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #11)

Thu May 20, 2021, 12:03 PM

35. Tell me why you're pro Hamas

Are they a poor,.misunderstood,.misrepresented, peace-loving lot?

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Response to Cary (Reply #35)

Thu May 20, 2021, 01:05 PM

45. I'm Not

You shouldn't make unsubstantiated allegations just because you don't comprehend international law.


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Response to Ziggysmom (Reply #1)

Thu May 20, 2021, 01:56 AM

10. Sorry

by international treaty, which the U.S. is signatory to, fighting back against Illegal Military Occupation is specifically NOT "terrorism".


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Response to WHITT (Reply #10)

Thu May 20, 2021, 07:07 AM

17. How is it illegal military occupation

1967 - Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Palestinians attack Israel. Israel defeats the aggressors and assumes occupation of territory belonging to Jordan, Syria, and Egypt. Notice, non of the land occupied was controlled by the Palestinians. So if Israel would return the occupied territories to the rightful owners, Palestine still would not exist. So how is this an "illegal military occupation"?

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Response to Darwins_Retriever (Reply #17)

Thu May 20, 2021, 09:21 AM

20. Eh

by definition, by UN Resolution, by international law, by international treaty.

Read much?


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Response to WHITT (Reply #20)

Thu May 20, 2021, 10:53 AM

26. What do they say?

UN resolutions do not have any enforcement behind them. The UN wanted to study poverty in the US. The US told them to get bent.

Now I think the UN does have a roll. Jerusalem should be an international city. Move the UN HQ and all agency HQs there. UN peace keeping troops could be stationed there. All the members would have consulates there. WHO and World Bank should be there.

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Response to Darwins_Retriever (Reply #26)

Thu May 20, 2021, 01:06 PM

46. Non Sequitur

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Response to WHITT (Reply #20)

Thu May 20, 2021, 11:21 AM

33. By your logic the Palestinians have been violating a UN mandate since 1947

The UN mandate established Israel in 1947, the Palestinians along with Arab nations have launched several wars to exterminate the Jews in the Middle East, why should Israel feel compelled to follow the rules Palestine has been violating for 70 years?

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Response to ripcord (Reply #33)

Thu May 20, 2021, 01:07 PM

47. Very Twisted "Logic" Ya Got There


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Response to Darwins_Retriever (Reply #17)

Fri May 21, 2021, 09:49 PM

97. Exactly

Great point. If Israel hadn't been attacked in 1967 and things stayed static to date, there still wouldn't be a Palestine.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #10)

Thu May 20, 2021, 11:00 AM

28. So if not terrorism

What does international treaty call it when you fight back against Illegal Military Occupation by indiscriminately firing at your opponents civilian population?

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #28)

Thu May 20, 2021, 01:10 PM

48. How Does One Aim

unguided rockets directly at civilians?


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Response to WHITT (Reply #48)

Thu May 20, 2021, 01:39 PM

49. Any high school physics student

Can do a ballistic calculation to determine where a rocket should land. If you haven't had high school physics i am will to be there is an app that would calculate it for you. If the CEP circle is entirely, or even mostly, within a city it is aimed at civilians.

So again, What does international treaty call it when you indiscriminately fire at your opponents civilian population?

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #49)

Thu May 20, 2021, 02:00 PM

51. You're Twisting Yourself Into Knots

If the rockets are "indiscriminately" fired, as you posted, then no "ballistic calculation" is gonna help.

Bad try, no cigar.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #51)

Thu May 20, 2021, 02:04 PM

52. Why will you not answer my question

Is there something about it that makes you uncomfortable?

ETA- for your education, indiscriminately means

not marked by careful distinction : deficient in discrimination and discernment.

Seems to apply to firing an unguided rocket at a city

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #52)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:04 PM

53. I'm Afraid You're Confused

Unguided rockets are not mortar shells, that you can launch with a simple mortar tube, and if you're 25ft short, click click, next one is 5ft short, click, then they land pretty much the same place all day long.

Unguided rockets are "unguided" DURING FLIGHT. So you can do all the calculations you want, they won't land there. Not to mention they are subject to other external forces, but that's a moot discussion.

Your ridiculous assertions are not getting you anywhere.

BTW, if you wanted to supply the Palestinians with some jet fighter/bombers and some guided missile batteries, I'm certain they would target those at the military installations of those that have them under Illegal Military Occupation.


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Response to WHITT (Reply #53)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:24 PM

59. The Israel presence in the WB is perfectly legal

You have heard of the Oslo accords? Interim Agreement?

The Palestinian leadership signed off on the current arrangement, so your assertion is spurious.



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Response to Mosby (Reply #59)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:26 PM

60. Bullshit


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Response to WHITT (Reply #60)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:29 PM

65. The Oslo accords are bullshit?

That's all you got, lol.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #65)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:32 PM

68. Too Bad For You That's Not What I Posted


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Response to WHITT (Reply #60)

Thu May 20, 2021, 05:47 PM

83. I'm betting you take the 1st place prize for number of assertions lacking evidence to support them.

As well as (at least place or show) for Goalpost Moving.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #59)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:28 PM

63. That poster thinks Gaza in under military occupation even though Israel pulled out in 2005

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #63)

Fri May 21, 2021, 10:15 PM

100. I think it's more like an open air prison.

Last edited Sat May 22, 2021, 12:27 AM - Edit history (1)

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Response to IsItJustMe (Reply #100)

Fri May 21, 2021, 11:06 PM

101. Don't they have a border with Eygpt?

Israel has no control over that border.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #53)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:50 PM

73. I think you are confused

Or are being deliberately obtuse.

The calculation that you use for a mortar is basically the same as you use for a rocket. Vertical velocity times horizontal velocity divided by gravity.

Some unguided projectiles, such as artillery, are well known and uniform so can be aimed quite accurately. Others, such as many rockets, have more variables so are not as precise by you can definitely aim them. You may not be able to hit a specific building but you certainly can hit a city.. The Germans did it quite well with the V-1 and V-2 weapons. Iraq did the same with the SCUDs.

So I ask a third time- What does international treaty call it when you indiscriminately fire at your opponents civilian population?

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Response to WHITT (Reply #48)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:28 PM

64. By aiming it at civilian populations.

 

Jumped the shark a bit with this one.

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Response to Ziggysmom (Reply #1)

Thu May 20, 2021, 04:52 AM

16. There's an ongoing holocaust

Pause and look

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Response to malaise (Reply #16)

Thu May 20, 2021, 11:01 AM

29. Really?

A deliberate genocide that has significantly reduced the numbers of Palestinians? Millions of deaths per year? Really?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #29)

Thu May 20, 2021, 11:09 AM

32. I tire of saying this but I will preface my remarks

I tire of saying this but I will preface my remarks by saying both sides have compelling narratives, albeit diametrically opposed ones. That's what makes the problem so intractable. A two-state solution where both peoples can lead lives of dignity should remain the paramount goal, no matter how elusive it is.

The last thing this situation needs is hyperbole.

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Response to malaise (Reply #16)

Thu May 20, 2021, 11:06 AM

31. That is what the Arab nations attempted against Israel

Not long after the Holocaust in Germany Arabs tried to exterminate the Jews in Israel repeatedly, luckily they were incompetent.

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Response to Ziggysmom (Reply #1)

Thu May 20, 2021, 09:50 AM

21. The RW Israeli government has terrorist components operating under the cover of state sovereignty

The majority of the niche, radical RW ultra-Zionist parties that help make up the RW ruling coalition have the eradication of the Palestinians as a goal as well.

For instance, one of the chief RW ultra-Zionist instigators of violence in the streets against the Palestinians is Itamar Ben-Gvir & his party Otzma Yehudit. They are Kahanist in nature, ultra RW violent fascist radicals.

Kahanism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahanism

Kahanism is an extremist Jewish ideology based on the views of Rabbi Meir Kahane, founder of the Jewish Defence League and the Kach party in Israel. Kahane maintained the view that the majority of Arabs living in Israel are enemies of Jews and Israel itself, and believed that a Jewish theocratic state, where non-Jews have no voting rights, should be created. The Kach party has been banned by the Israeli government and the U.S. State Department has labelled it a Foreign Terrorist Organization.



https://www.jpost.com/Israel-Elections/Netanyahus-deflection-of-his-involvement-with-Otzma-ANALYSIS-581666


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Response to Ziggysmom (Reply #1)

Thu May 20, 2021, 09:53 AM

22. Well, right now, so is the Israeli government.

n/t

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Response to Aristus (Reply #22)

Thu May 20, 2021, 12:17 PM

38. +1

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Response to Ziggysmom (Reply #1)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:34 PM

70. Hamas isn't some magic word you get to use to paper over punishment and killing of innocent

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Palestinian people.

It is false to portray Hamas as synonymous with the Palestinian people. It's dangerous, too, since invoking Hamas is often used to redirect discussion away from the unjust system imposed on non-Israeli citizens in the occupied territories in Golan Heights.

On edit: I meant Israeli-occupied Golan Heights ó not Gaza.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #70)

Thu May 20, 2021, 04:40 PM

75. Gaza is not occupied, Israel pulled out in 2005. nt

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #75)

Thu May 20, 2021, 05:23 PM

80. But Gaza is blockaded for all intents and purposes. nt

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Response to joetheman (Reply #80)

Thu May 20, 2021, 05:36 PM

81. Gaza shares a border with Egypt not under Israeli control.

The Egyptians frequently close it due to terrorists and weapons smuggling into the Sanai.

Which has nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with Hamas being a terrorist group.
If they were better neighbors the border would be open all the time.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #75)

Fri May 21, 2021, 03:00 PM

88. It is a god damned reservation.

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Response to Marrah_Goodman (Reply #88)

Fri May 21, 2021, 03:21 PM

90. Is anyone surprised that Israel fortifies that border? Not fond of bombs going off in their country

Gaza could have a open border with Egypt if they were better neighbors but Egypt does not like the terrorists and arms crossing the border into the Sanai and causing havoc.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #90)

Fri May 21, 2021, 08:35 PM

91. They sure are fond of dropping bombs though

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Response to Marrah_Goodman (Reply #91)

Fri May 21, 2021, 08:39 PM

92. Yeah I suppose they should just let Hamas fire all the rockets

. they want across the border into Israel trying to kill civilians.. and just do nothing, that would go over big with the Israeli voters

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #92)

Fri May 21, 2021, 08:56 PM

93. Or they could try addressing some of their behavior

The more they put their foot on the necks of Palestinians, the more power they give to Hamas. Nothing can get better as long as the same thing continues.

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Response to Marrah_Goodman (Reply #93)

Fri May 21, 2021, 09:05 PM

95. Yes because some heavy-handed riot control at a mosque

... in Jerusalem definitely calls for firing 4,000 plus rockets across the border trying to kill civilians

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 01:29 AM

2. who are the "we."

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 01:32 AM

4. People post far worse things than that in the I/P forum.

From the other side. Was just reading over there. Need a shower.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #4)

Thu May 20, 2021, 01:35 AM

5. I/P forum? nt

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Response to Progressive Jones (Reply #5)

Thu May 20, 2021, 01:37 AM

6. Israel/Palestine.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Reply #5)

Thu May 20, 2021, 01:39 AM

7. Oh you don't wanna know........ nt

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 01:40 AM

8. Nice balanced post. (nt)

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 01:43 AM

9. SIGH

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 02:57 AM

12. I don't knowif this post will be flagged or not, but I'm really glad I got to read it!

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Response to ShazzieB (Reply #12)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:49 AM

14. Thanks I Really Don't Like Bullies Or Apartheid

Or the powerful crushing the powerless simply because they can, and because we let them.

No more settlements / abuse no more missles.

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Response to DanieRains (Reply #14)

Thu May 20, 2021, 10:00 AM

24. I want a two state solution where both Israelis and Palestinians

I want a two-state solution where both Israelis and Palestinians can live in peace and with dignity. What does Hamas want?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #24)

Fri May 21, 2021, 09:51 PM

99. A two-state solution would be perfect

Unfortunately, Hamas will never recognize Israel's right to exist.

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:15 AM

13. But only after we sent police units to patrol over worshippers at the Western Wall on Yom Kippur.

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 04:27 AM

15. Go ahead. Tell us how it turns out.

It's a scientific fact that people put in a lot of time and effort when dealing with something they deem important. an example of this are those who post in the gardening group. They don't limit themselves to just posting. They are spending hours in their garden(s) working.

It's also a scientific fact that people do little in dealing with an issue they deem unimportant. They may find the issue to be of some interest but it's little more then coffee table talk.

Looking at Expedia, the cost of a roundtrip airline ticket From JFK airport to Tel Aviv is $622. How many Palestinians have to die before one thinks spending that amount is justified?

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 07:12 AM

18. This is so childish.

If you canít find at least ten things wrong with your analogy, you are just messing with yourself. Not anyone with a minimum capacity in critical thinking.

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 07:28 AM

19. After WW2 who do you think governed Germany?

Germany was divided into 4 zones, each governed by the military of one of the major allies. And you don't think the USSR didn't bulldoze any cities or towns. They tried to starve W. Berlin.

"If there were not any settlements, there would be no Hamas firing missiles." Oh, come on. Likewise, if there were no settlements, there would be no suicide bombers, attacks on Isreali civilians in Israeli cities, no 1972 Olympic attack.

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 09:54 AM

23. They could build another Disney World on the leveled land.

I'm sure that in addition to the usual sections -- Frontier Land, Fantasy Land, Tomorrow Land, etc., they'd be willing to add "Never-ending War Land." The battles would be fought with water balloons and paint guns.

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 10:49 AM

25. That I'm not sure of

Before the settlements, the PLO was fighting.

It was predictable. Hindsight says Israel should have happened naturally, with immigration, instead of this formal proclamation. The British rarely do anything right.

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Response to treestar (Reply #25)

Thu May 20, 2021, 10:57 AM

27. The Palestinian Liberation Organization was founded in 1964.

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Response to treestar (Reply #25)

Thu May 20, 2021, 12:22 PM

40. 'The British rarely do anything right.'

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 11:57 AM

34. Who is "we?"

You surely don't speak for me and thankfully you don't speak for a majority of Americans.

Given the rabid anti-Semitism on the right I don't understand why they haven't turned totally against Jews. Unfortunately there is.plenty.of anti-Semitism on the left which makes my life more difficult in a lot.of.ways.

If Israel was on our border, doing to us what Hamas does to Israel,.then your question might be fair. As it stands I find it highly offensive.

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Response to Cary (Reply #34)

Thu May 20, 2021, 12:17 PM

39. You do the the Palestinians are Semitic people ?

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Response to RANDYWILDMAN (Reply #39)

Thu May 20, 2021, 12:49 PM

42. So what? Anyone can be a bigot.

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Response to RANDYWILDMAN (Reply #39)

Thu May 20, 2021, 12:55 PM

44. Anti-Semitic means anti-Jewish

and you know it. Donít play stupid, people can see right through it.

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Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #44)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:19 PM

56. I Am Not Anti Jewish I Am Anti Apartheid And Anti Injustice

And anti-settlement.

The Palestinians know exactly how our Native Americans feel / felt.

Bibi is a bloodthirsty prick, and would kill a million people to stay in power, and out of jail.

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Response to DanieRains (Reply #56)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:28 PM

62. Was Jesus Christ a colonialist settler?

What don't you understand about the 1000s years presence jews have in the WB?

Jews have been living in Israel, Judea, Samaria for 3500 years. It's our ancestral homeland.

Since before partition Israeli leaders have been willing to compromise, and give some of our lands to the Arabs. They have rejected every offer.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #62)

Thu May 20, 2021, 04:54 PM

77. I love the Jesus question

I agree with my liberal Jewish friends who believe that Jesus was a rabbi who wanted to start his own religion. The Last Supper was a Jewish seder or a traditional Jewish meal. All the Apostles were Jewish.

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Response to DanieRains (Reply #56)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:35 PM

71. You are fighting a useless fight on this

There are some people here who think Israel can never ever do anything wrong and are entitled to take any land they want. They have no issues with putting people on reservations and demonizing them if they try to fight back.

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Response to Marrah_Goodman (Reply #71)

Thu May 20, 2021, 04:43 PM

76. I don't think any of those people post here.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #76)

Thu May 20, 2021, 05:18 PM

78. Exactly.

When people can't support their positions with facts, they turn to personal attacks and strawman arguments.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #78)

Thu May 20, 2021, 05:21 PM

79. If

If "There are (some ) people here who think Israel can never ever do anything wrong and are entitled to take any land they want." i will alert on them after calling them out.


Nuance is your friend. This situation is painful enough without hyperbole.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #79)

Fri May 21, 2021, 02:20 PM

84. Really I see post after post demonizing palestinians and defending everything Israel does

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Response to Marrah_Goodman (Reply #84)

Fri May 21, 2021, 02:41 PM

85. You should alert on those posts

Both Israelis and Palestinians are entitled to live lives of dignity and respect in their own states.

Hamas is bad news. If you want I will elaborate.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #85)

Fri May 21, 2021, 03:00 PM

87. I agree. I see both Hamas and the current Israeli government as bad actors

But I understand the plight of the oppressed palestinian people. They are expected to just take it and not fight back. They are expected to allow their land to be stolen and just accept it.

I suppose we all see things from our own life perspectives.

As for alerting. Nah, I've been around long enough to know that would do no good in this situation.

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 12:11 PM

36. Israel has long ago lost the high ground to defend it's actions

They blame hamas as they continue to mistreat the palestinians

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 12:14 PM

37. If we did that...

The Israelies would probably be furious and attack and kill some of us. Then we would label them terrorists. Rinse and repeat until we own it all.

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 01:56 PM

50. "If there were not settlements, there would be no Hamas firing missiles. Period. "

Are you sure:

Hamas Covenant 1988
The Covenant
of the
Islamic Resistance Movement

Article 7


The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist invaders. It goes back to 1939, to the emergence of the martyr Izz al-Din al Kissam and his brethren the fighters, members of Moslem Brotherhood. It goes on to reach out and become one with another chain that includes the struggle of the Palestinians and Moslem Brotherhood in the 1948 war and the Jihad operations of the Moslem Brotherhood in 1968 and after.

Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp


I oppose bigotry wherever it raises its ugly head, regardless of the target and regardless of the source. I oppose nationalism whether it be American, Russian, Jewish, Chinese, or Islamic, et cetera. We are all children of an awesome God. True peace will come when both sides of this conflict live in their own states securely and with dignity.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #50)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:16 PM

55. But One Side Keeps Bulldozing Houses

And is 100 times more powerful.

Kinda hard to find peace when they want all your land, and will kill you if you get in their way right?

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Response to DanieRains (Reply #55)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:21 PM

57. Kinda hard when side wants to literally kill you because you practice a certain religion

Kinda hard when one side wants to literally kill you because you practice a certain religion and believe the entire land we know as Israel, even behind the Green Line borders should be an Islamic Waqf.



Article Eleven:
The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Moslem generations till Judgement Day?

This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.


Article 7

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp


I oppose bigotry wherever it raises its ugly head, regardless of the target and regardless of the source. (REDUX) and want Jews and Muslims to feel safe in their own states.

As to the settlements and Netanyahu it's a given that I vociferously oppose them and him. Opposing Netanyahu's irredentist policies and Hamas's irredentist policies are not mutually exclusive.

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:33 PM

69. Israel is doing to the Palestinians what we did to the Native Americans

Take their lands, call them monsters if they resist or fight back.

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Response to Marrah_Goodman (Reply #69)

Fri May 21, 2021, 09:41 PM

96. Exactly, with a big assist from US.

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 03:56 PM

74. Bulldoze and just stop there

Don't need the headache of living and governing in a bat shit crazy region. Hell get a brigade of bulldozers and start west to east on the whole damn region.

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Response to 48656c6c6f20 (Reply #74)

Fri May 21, 2021, 03:02 PM

89. Honestly, wtf is wrong with you?

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Fri May 21, 2021, 02:47 PM

86. Or if the settlements had stayed at a MUCH lower level, and ....

... The Palestinians treated waaaay better.

These two things would make things much better, imo.

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Fri May 21, 2021, 09:04 PM

94. Why is this in General Discussion? Isn't

there a forum for this?

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #94)

Sat May 22, 2021, 04:26 PM

102. When there is current news

on the subject, it is allowed in GD.

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Response to treestar (Reply #102)

Mon May 24, 2021, 11:13 PM

103. The OP just seemed like bait, not "news." nt

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Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Fri May 21, 2021, 09:51 PM

98. Disney can build two Epcot-style Jerusalems - one each for the Israelis and the Palestinians

It would all be fake of course, but neither would care.

They can each have their own version that excludes the other one. Israeli Jerusalem would have no Palestinians, and same for Palestinian version - no Israelis. They can each have their sacred buildings and attractions, restaurants, rides, parades and fireworks every night. There's lots of room to build it too, just make the Jordanians move over a little.

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