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Tue May 4, 2021, 04:51 PM

Hundreds in Ukraine attend marches celebrating Nazi SS soldiers, including in Kyiv for the 1st time

Hundreds of Ukrainians attended marches celebrating Nazi SS soldiers, including the first such event in Kyiv.

The so-called Embroidery March took place in the capital on April 28, the 78th anniversary of the establishment of the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS, also known as the 1st Galician. It was a force set up under German occupation auspices comprised of ethnic Ukrainian and German volunteers and conscripts. The marchers held banners displaying the unit’s symbol.

The Kyiv march by about 300 people was an import from the western city of Lviv, which for several years has hosted such events. A day earlier, hundreds attended a larger Embroidery March there.

Ukraine has a large minority of ethnic Russians, who oppose the glorification of Nazi collaborators. Such actions were taboo in Ukraine until the early 2000s, when nationalists demanded and obtained state recognition for collaborators as heroes for their actions against the Soviet Union, which dominated Ukraine until 1991.

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Proud Boys Ukrainian style.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Tue May 4, 2021, 04:57 PM

1. Let me explain this... most don't know what's happening.

This isn't a pro-Nazi thing.

It's an anti-communist thing.

Post WW2 Central European politics has long defended Nazism as a response to Communism and the USSR.

Example: In Estonia in 1944, A few thousand SS Volunteers from Estonia, Netherlands, Denmark and Belgium held off savage Soviet attacks in the Battle of the Tannenberg Line. They stacked up Russian casualties like in the movie "300".

Every year the Estonian Gov't STILL has a parade and celebrates the battle. As of just a few years ago, surviving soldiers marched in the parade with their SS uniforms on.

SO... I know the reflex is to think "Right Wingers" when you hear "Nazi" but in reality it's an anti-communist thing and using Nazi symbolism REALLY REALLY pisses of the Russians.

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #1)

Tue May 4, 2021, 05:01 PM

7. There is also a significant anti Jewish sentiment there

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #7)

Tue May 4, 2021, 05:02 PM

8. I'm sure of it... but they REALLY hate the Russians.

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #8)

Tue May 4, 2021, 08:00 PM

22. The Russians are fascist now. The government

But it's way out there to march to SS mass murders.

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #1)

Tue May 4, 2021, 05:30 PM

9. false, just because some of them hate Putin and communists does NOT mean they aren't real neo Nazis

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You are being far too clever-by-half trying to parse the difference. Neo nazi Ukrainian nationalists, like Azov Battalion, Svoboda, and Right Sector are full stop white power and ant-Semitic, and also anti-Russian (sometimes, many are just anti-Putin). They are not just using Nazism to piss off the Russians though. They are hardcore neo nazis in very sense of the term, and as you will see below some are not even anti-Russian per se, they hate Putin because they think he is a jew and enables jewish oligarchs.


Ukraine Deported 2 American Members Of A Neo-Nazi Group Who Tried To Join A Far-Right Military Unit

The two men were members of the US-based Atomwaffen Division who tried to join Ukraine’s far-right Azov Regiment, Ukrainian security officials said.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/christopherm51/ukraine-deports-american-neo-nazi-atomwaffen-division



Two American neo-Nazis check their bags while being deported at an airport in Ukraine.


Ukraine has deported two men from a notoriously violent American neo-Nazi group who tried to set up a local branch and join a far-right military unit to gain combat experience in the war-torn country, according to two Ukrainian security service officials. The men, both US citizens, are members of the neo-Nazi group known as Atomwaffen Division (AWD), one of the Ukrainian officials confirmed to BuzzFeed News. Both officials declined to provide the men’s names and other personal information. It was not immediately clear whether the men were being deported back to the US. A video from the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) showed an agent alongside the two men with their backpacks in tow at an airport check-in counter.

The deportation of the American neo-Nazis comes as US security officials warn that violent domestic extremists, including white supremacists, pose the greatest terror threat to the US and ahead of next month’s presidential election. During last week's debate, President Donald Trump gave a shoutout to one such group of extremists, the Proud Boys.

AWD is a neo-Nazi group that emerged in 2016 alongside the US alt-right segment of the white supremacist movement, according to the Anti-Defamation League. Members of AWD have already been connected to several killings in the group’s short history, the ADL added. Five senior members were arrested in February and charged with federal crimes. The Southern Poverty Law Center said AWD is “organized as a series of terror cells that work toward civilizational collapse.”

The SBU said in a statement on its website Thursday that the two Americans “produced a video promoting neo-Nazism and urging citizens to commit particularly serious crimes, including murder and terrorist attacks” in Ukraine. The SBU said the video, screenshots of which it shared online and showed the “Atom” in Atomwaffen, was spread across social networks. BuzzFeed News has viewed the video, which was originally published in 2019. It showed several men in masks and camouflage fatigues donning what appear to be assault rifles. The Americans carried out “illegal activities” in the capital city, Kyiv, as well as the western city of Lviv and the eastern city of Kharkiv, the SBU said. Moreover, it said, they “tried to join one of the Ukrainian military units in order to gain combat experience, which the representatives of the group planned to use in illegal activities.”

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these articles are all pre-Trump



Azov fighters are Ukraine's greatest weapon and may be its greatest threat

The battalion's far-right volunteers' desire to 'bring the fight to Kiev' is a danger to post-conflict stability

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis

"I have nothing against Russian nationalists, or a great Russia," said Dmitry, as we sped through the dark Mariupol night in a pickup truck, a machine gunner positioned in the back. "But Putin's not even a Russian. Putin's a Jew." Dmitry – which he said is not his real name – is a native of east Ukraine and a member of the Azov battalion, a volunteer grouping that has been doing much of the frontline fighting in Ukraine's war with pro-Russia separatists. The Azov, one of many volunteer brigades to fight alongside the Ukrainian army in the east of the country, has developed a reputation for fearlessness in battle.

But there is an increasing worry that while the Azov and other volunteer battalions might be Ukraine's most potent and reliable force on the battlefield against the separatists, they also pose the most serious threat to the Ukrainian government, and perhaps even the state, when the conflict in the east is over. The Azov causes particular concern due to the far right, even neo-Nazi, leanings of many of its members.

Dmitry claimed not to be a Nazi, but waxed lyrical about Adolf Hitler as a military leader, and believes the Holocaust never happened. Not everyone in the Azov battalion thinks like Dmitry, but after speaking with dozens of its fighters and embedding on several missions during the past week in and around the strategic port city of Mariupol, the Guardian found many of them to have disturbing political views, and almost all to be intent on "bringing the fight to Kiev" when the war in the east is over.

The battalion's symbol is reminiscent of the Nazi Wolfsangel, though the battalion claims it is in fact meant to be the letters N and I crossed over each other, standing for "national idea". Many of its members have links with neo-Nazi groups, and even those who laughed off the idea that they are neo-Nazis did not give the most convincing denials.

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Ukraine crisis: the neo-Nazi brigade fighting pro-Russian separatists

Kiev throws paramilitaries – some openly neo-Nazi - into the front of the battle with rebels

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11025137/Ukraine-crisis-the-neo-Nazi-brigade-fighting-pro-Russian-separatists.html

As Ukraine’s armed forces tighten the noose around pro-Russian separatists in the east of the country, the western-backed government in Kiev is throwing militia groups – some openly neo-Nazi - into the front of the battle. The Azov battalion has the most chilling reputation of all. Last week, it came to the fore as it mounted a bold attack on the rebel redoubt of Donetsk, striking deep into the suburbs of a city under siege. "

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But Kiev’s use of volunteer paramilitaries to stamp out the Russian-backed Donetsk and Luhansk “people’s republics”, proclaimed in eastern Ukraine in March, should send a shiver down Europe’s spine. Recently formed battalions such as Donbas, Dnipro and Azov, with several thousand men under their command, are officially under the control of the interior ministry but their financing is murky, their training inadequate and their ideology often alarming.

The Azov men use the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel (Wolf’s Hook) symbol on their banner and members of the battalion are openly white supremacists, or anti-Semites.

“Personally, I’m a Nazi,” said “Phantom”, a 23-year-old former lawyer at the ceremony wearing camouflage and holding a Kalashnikov. “I don’t hate any other nationalities but I believe each nation should have its own country.” He added: “We have one idea: to liberate our land from terrorists.”

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US LIFTS BAN ON FUNDING ‘NEO-NAZI’ UKRAINIAN MILITIA

Last June, Congress passed a resolution intended to block American military funding for Ukraine from being used to provide training or weaponry for the Azov Battalion.

https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/US-lifts-ban-on-funding-neo-Nazi-Ukrainian-militia-441884

Congress is reported to have recently repealed its ban on a Ukrainian militia accused of being neo-Nazi, opening the way for American military assistance. Last June, Congress passed a resolution intended to block American military funding for Ukraine from being used to provide training or weaponry for the Azov Battalion, an independent unit that had been integrated into the former Soviet Republic’s national guard and was taking part in operations against Russian- backed rebels.

Called a “neo-Nazi paramilitary militia” by Congressmen John Conyers Jr. and Ted Yoho, who cosponsored the bipartisan amendment, the battalion has been a source of controversy since its inception.

With the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel symbol on its unit flash – which resembles a black swastika on a yellow background – and founders drawn from the ranks of the paramilitary national socialist group called “Patriot of Ukraine,” the group would have been a fringe phenomenon in any Western nation, but with its army unequipped to face the separatist threat in the east, Kiev actually integrated Azov into its military forces.

According to a report in The Nation, the Pentagon lobbied the House Defense Appropriations Committee to remove the Conyers-Yoho amendment from the 2016 defense budget, claiming it was unnecessary as such funding was already prohibited under another law.

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The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda

http://thehill.com/opinion/international/359609-the-reality-of-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-is-far-from-kremlin-propaganda

As the Trump administration mulls sending weapons to Ukraine, the question of far-right forces employed by the Kiev government has returned to the forefront. Some Western observers claim that there are no neo-Nazi elements in Ukraine, chalking the assertion up to propaganda from Moscow. Unfortunately, they are sadly mistaken.

There are indeed neo-Nazi formations in Ukraine. This has been overwhelmingly confirmed by nearly every major Western outlet. The fact that analysts are able to dismiss it as propaganda disseminated by Moscow is profoundly disturbing. It is especially disturbing given the current surge of neo-Nazis and white supremacists across the globe.

The most infamous neo-Nazi group in Ukraine is the 3,000-strong Azov Battalion, founded in 2014. Prior to creating Azov, its commander, Andriy Biletsky, headed the neo-Nazi group Patriot of Ukraine, members of which went on to form the core of Azov. Biletsky had stated that the mission of Ukraine is to “lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival … against the Semite-led Untermenschen.”

Azov’s logo is composed of two emblems — the wolfsangel and the Sonnenrad — identified as neo-Nazi symbols by the Anti-Defamation League. The wolfsangel is used by the U.S. hate group Aryan Nations, while the Sonnenrad was among the neo-Nazi symbols at this summer’s deadly march in Charlottesville. Azov’s neo-Nazi character has been covered by the New York Times, the Guardian, the BBC, the Telegraph and Reuters, among others. On-the-ground journalists from established Western media outlets have written of witnessing SS runes, swastikas, torchlight marches, and Nazi salutes. They interviewed Azov soldiers who readily acknowledged being neo-Nazis. They filed these reports under unambiguous headlines such as “How many neo-Nazis is the U.S. backing in Ukraine?” and “Volunteer Ukrainian unit includes Nazis.”


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Ukraine’s ‘Right Sector’ Leader Recognized as Elected Member of Parliament

https://web.archive.org/web/20150509153628/http://uatoday.tv/politics/right-sector-leader-and-mp-dmytro-yarosh-appointed-to-ukrainian-government-419849.html


Profile: Ukraine’s ultra-nationalist Right Sector

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27173857



The Battle in Ukraine Means Everything

Fascism returns to the continent it once destroyed


http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117692/fascism-returns-ukraine


Preparing for War With Ukraine’s Fascist Defenders of Freedom

On the frontlines of the new offensive in eastern Ukraine, the hardcore Azov Battalion is ready for battle with Russia.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/08/30/preparing_for_war_with_ukraine_s_fascist_defenders_of_freedom



Svoboda leader Oleh Tyahnybok





Ukrainian opposition leaders Oleh Tyahnybok (L), Vitaly Klitschko (2nd R, back) and Arseny Yatsenyuk (R) pose for a picture with U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland






Azov Battalion



Svoboda





Right Sector




Azov Battalion (Notice the NATO flag)




Svoboda







Congress Has Removed a Ban on Funding Neo-Nazis From Its Year-End Spending Bill

Under pressure from the Pentagon, Congress has stripped the spending bill of an amendment that prevented funds from falling into the hands of Ukrainian neo-fascist groups.

https://www.thenation.com/article/congress-has-removed-a-ban-on-funding-neo-nazis-from-its-year-end-spending-bill/

In mid-December 2015, Congress passed a 2,000-plus-page omnibus spending bill for fiscal year 2016. Both parties were quick to declare victory after the passage of the $1.8 trillion package. White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters “we feel good about the outcome, primarily because we got a compromise budget agreement that fought off a wide variety of ideological riders.” The office of House Speaker Paul J. Ryan touted the bill’s “64 billion for overseas contingency operations” for, among other things, assisting ”European countries facing Russian aggression.”

It would be safe to assume that one of the European countries which would stand to benefit from the omnibus measure—designed, in part, to combat “Russian aggression”—would be Ukraine, which has already, according to the White House, received $2 billion in loan guarantees and nearly $760 million in “security, programmatic, and technical assistance” since February 2014.

Yet some have expressed concern that some of this aid has made its way into the hands of neo-Nazi groups, such as the Azov Battalion. Last summer the Daily Beast published an interview by the journalists Will Cathcart and Joseph Epstein in which a member of the Azov battalion spoke about “his battalion’s experience with U.S. trainers and U.S. volunteers quite fondly, even mentioning U.S. volunteers engineers and medics that are still currently assisting them.”

And so, in July of last year, Congressmen John Conyers of Michigan and Ted Yoho of Florida drew up an amendment to the House Defense Appropriations bill (HR 2685) that “limits arms, training, and other assistance to the neo-Nazi Ukrainian militia, the Azov Battalion.” It passed by a unanimous vote in the House. And yet by the time November came around and the conference debate over the year-end appropriations bill was underway, the Conyers-Yoho measure appeared to be in jeopardy. And indeed it was. An official familiar with the debate told The Nation that the House Defense Appropriations Committee came under pressure from the Pentagon to remove the Conyers-Yoho amendment from the text of the bill.

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Svoboda: The Rising Spectre Of Neo-Nazism In The Ukraine

http://www.ibtimes.com/svoboda-rising-spectre-neo-nazism-ukraine-974110


Is the US backing neo-Nazis in Ukraine?

John McCain and other State Department members have troubling ties to the ultra-nationalist Svoboda party

http://www.salon.com/2014/02/25/is_the_us_backing_neo_nazis_in_ukraine_partner/



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Response to Celerity (Reply #9)

Tue May 4, 2021, 05:42 PM

10. THANK YOU +10000000 n/t

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Response to Celerity (Reply #9)

Tue May 4, 2021, 06:01 PM

11. great post BUT...

Chicken or the egg?

Do neo-nazis flock to Ukraine because of the gov't sanctioned support for the SS soldiers who fought against Communism?

Or is the movement itself neo-nazi?

I'll meet you halfway, it appears that anti-Russia sentiment has served as cover for real neo-nazis in addition to the state support for the anti-communists.

Being in that part of the world, I'm sure you're well aware of the anti-Russian sentiment in the former Soviet bloc countries.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #9)

Tue May 4, 2021, 06:02 PM

12. NICELY done

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Response to Celerity (Reply #9)

Tue May 4, 2021, 06:03 PM

13. Absolutely. This should be a Post of its own. n/t

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Response to Celerity (Reply #9)

Tue May 4, 2021, 06:19 PM

14. the movie and book do a great job of exlaining the origins of post ww2 neo-nazis.

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #14)

Tue May 4, 2021, 06:56 PM

16. George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the American Nazi Party is one of the key linkages as well




George Lincoln Rockwell, father of American Nazis, still in vogue for some

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/27/george-lincoln-rockwell-american-nazi-party-alt-right-charlottesville










George Lincoln Rockwell (center), Head of the American Nazi Party, at Black Muslim Meeting, Washington, DC.



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Response to Celerity (Reply #16)

Tue May 4, 2021, 08:12 PM

23. I can't get over the fact the un-American pos try to mix our flag and the Nazi flag

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Response to Celerity (Reply #9)

Wed May 5, 2021, 05:49 AM

25. This scares the living crap out of me.

Great job with your post. I just find it horrifying. There seems to be no stopping this movement.

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #1)

Tue May 4, 2021, 07:43 PM

20. Explanation Part Deux: The one doesn't deny the other.

"This isn't a pro-Nazi thing. It's an anti-communist thing."

The one doesn't deny the other. Unless you have objective evidence applicable to this specific instance, yours is merely unsupported editorial.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #20)

Wed May 5, 2021, 01:41 AM

24. I should have shaded the comment. How about this?

"This isn't purely a pro-Nazi thing. To a great extent, it's an anti-communist thing."

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Tue May 4, 2021, 04:57 PM

2. German society 'brutalised' as far-right crimes hit record levels

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Tue May 4, 2021, 05:00 PM

3. Ukraine has a history of anti-semitism, so this is not a surprise

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Tue May 4, 2021, 05:00 PM

4. hitler made a big mistake demonizing ukrainians, who would have been his allies.

he should have portrayed himself as liberation from stalin instead of land grabbing exterminator

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Response to msongs (Reply #4)

Tue May 4, 2021, 05:01 PM

6. truth.

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Response to msongs (Reply #4)

Tue May 4, 2021, 07:20 PM

17. IMO it was

His biggest mistake of the war. Co-opting the Ukrainian hatred of Stalin would have opened a whole pool of men willing to fight along side of the Germans. More importantly it would have secured supply lines rather than having to spend effort to counter partisan activities away from the front.

Hitler could have always betrayed the Ukrainians after an Eastern victory but that would have required Nazis to put off being Nazis for a few years.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Tue May 4, 2021, 05:01 PM

5. 2021 Warning From Italy: Fascism is here!

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Response to elleng (Reply #5)

Tue May 4, 2021, 06:23 PM

15. Bellamy salute (I predict the Rethugs try to bring it back in the US)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute

The Bellamy salute is a palm-out salute described by Francis Bellamy, the author of the American Pledge of Allegiance, as the gesture which was to accompany the pledge. During the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance, it was sometimes known as the "flag salute". Both the Pledge and its salute originated in 1892. Later, during the 1920s and 1930s, Italian fascists and Nazi Germans adopted a salute which was very similar, and which was derived from the Roman salute, a gesture that was popularly (albeit erroneously) believed to have been used in ancient Rome. This resulted in controversy over the use of the Bellamy salute in the United States. It was officially replaced by the hand-over-heart salute when Congress amended the Flag Code on December 22, 1942.







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Response to Celerity (Reply #15)

Tue May 4, 2021, 07:33 PM

18. Thanks for posting...I never knew that.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Tue May 4, 2021, 07:40 PM

19. There's a lot of that going on in Europe right now. And elsewhere. Looks like we'll have

to fight WWII all over again.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Tue May 4, 2021, 07:57 PM

21. I know little about today's Ukrainians, but historically, I know they were

extraordinarily anti-semitic and were trusted to run large parts of the extermination camps and also the
Einsatzgruppen was chock full of them. They shot Jews for fun.

I suspect that the old ways have been passed down in whatever way they want to describe it. It's still the same thing.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 06:20 AM

26. Have to be pretty careful about who you climb into bed with in that part of the world politically

Bottom line, end of story.

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