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Mon May 3, 2021, 09:44 PM

In 2023, a Republican controlled House will arrest their political opponents

using "inherent contempt". They will subpoena tech executives, Hollywood stars, Democratic donors, etc... Anyone who does not co-operate with HUAC 2.0 will be taken off to jail and held indefinitely. The GOP is the greatest national security threat. WILL YOU IN 2022? WILL YOU BEGIN TO ORGANIZE TODAY?

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Reply In 2023, a Republican controlled House will arrest their political opponents (Original post)
Dawson Leery May 3 OP
ColinC May 3 #1
bottomofthehill May 3 #3
ColinC May 3 #6
bottomofthehill May 3 #10
ColinC May 3 #11
ColinC May 3 #8
bottomofthehill May 3 #13
bottomofthehill May 3 #14
bottomofthehill May 3 #16
ColinC May 4 #20
PortTack May 3 #2
LW1977 May 3 #4
WarGamer May 3 #5
jimfields33 May 3 #15
former9thward May 3 #17
Eid Ma Clack Shaw May 4 #19
uponit7771 May 3 #7
Generic Brad May 3 #9
BannonsLiver May 3 #12
moondust May 4 #18
Dawson Leery May 4 #21

Response to Dawson Leery (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 10:05 PM

1. Congress only has authority over the capitol jail...

It is the only place they can hold anybody. From my understanding it is only one cell in the basement of the capitol. I do not believe they have enough resources to hold an indefinite amount of people for an indefinite amount of time. Also Capitol police have jurisdiction over the capitol. From my understanding it doesn't extend much further than that.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #1)

Mon May 3, 2021, 10:32 PM

3. There is always some confusion about rooms in the Capitol

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There is no jail in the basement. There is a 7 story capitol police HQ with cells, multiple, but holding cells not long term lock up. The issue of jurisdiction is a whole different problem. The Justice Department is charged with enforcement so for the same reason that the House under Speaker Pelosi had little Teeth, the House if under a Republican Speaker, would still have to rely on Garlands Justice department for enforcement.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #3)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:17 PM

6. Source: the architect of the capitol

https://www.aoc.gov/explore-capitol-campus/capitol-hill-facts/prisons

In 1889 a recusant witness before a Senate committee was taken into custody by the Senate Sergeant at Arms, but the area of his detention is not identified.

There is no evidence in the records of the Architect of the Capitol of any designated "guard room" or "detention area" in the Capitol since that time.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #6)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:21 PM

10. Per the AOC, there is no evidence of a guard room or detention area

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It says the area is not identified.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #10)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:22 PM

11. Actually it does., But if you need another source, check out my next link.

Pretty sure Nancy Pelosi knows what is in the capitol and what isn't.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #3)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:19 PM

8. Other source: Nancy Pelosi

Speaker Nancy Pelosi resurfaced one of the Capitol’s most enduring mysteries when answering a question about whether Democrats might imprison Trump administration officials who defy Congress: the House jail. But where is this mysterious cell?

We do have a little jail down in the basement of the Capitol, but if we were arresting all of the people in the administration, we would have an overcrowded jail situation. And I’m not for that,” Pelosi said Wednesday at a Washington Post live event.


https://www.rollcall.com/2019/05/08/just-where-is-this-secret-house-jail-located/

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Response to ColinC (Reply #8)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:34 PM

13. We can all make a mistake or stumble on the lore of the Capitol

The Architect of the Capitol who is responsible for every inch of the building says differently. There is no jail in the Capitol. There have been no “guard rooms” since 1889, so for over 130 years, no jail and even then, rooms were converted to hold someone. This is from the AOC and you yourself cited the last paragraph.

EXPLORE THE CAPITOL CAMPUSCAPITOL HILL FACTS
"Prisons" in the U.S. Capitol

Several rooms in the United States Capitol have been used at various times for the detention of offenders. They were called guard rooms, and it is not always possible to determine whether those rooms were kept strictly for custody of prisoners or were used also as guard stations.

Detail of grill work above exterior doors at the U.S. Capitol's south House carriage entrance.

An 1826 report from the Committee on Public Buildings and Grounds included plans for a guard room and other spaces in a terrace on the west front of the Capitol. An 1859 receipt shows that the House of Representatives and the Senate evidently were charged equal assessments for equipment of the guard room, indicating that one such room served both houses of Congress.

In 1829, journalist Anne Royall attended the inauguration of President Andrew Jackson and made her way into the Capitol; she would later write, "I ran upstairs to look out some upper windows, and here I found a colored man in a violent passion. He had been locked up." Unfortunately, no information has been found about the location or circumstances of the man's confinement, nor of his identity.

On April 8, 1861, troops in the Capitol during the Civil War "established . . . a guard house in the room now occupied as the House of Representatives post office, in the southeast corner of the ground floor of the Capitol." An October 6, 1902, article in the Washington Evening Star states that the first man arrested by the military authorities during the war was imprisoned here, being accused of filling artillery shells with sawdust while working at the U.S. arsenal. Freed after ten days by the intercession of his friends in the city, he was later rumored to have served the Confederate forces as a gunner. The room is now numbered H-124 and is assigned to the Sergeant at Arms.

Another incarceration is reported in the Evening Star of February 13, 1862: "After considerable discussion the House adopted a resolution directing the confinement of Mr. [Henry] Wikof until he shall purge himself of contempt or is discharged by the House. The accused was then placed in the guard room under the Capitol." Wickof reportedly had refused to "give a satisfactory answer to the charge preferred against him"; no further information about Wikof, his alleged offense or the disposition of the matter has been found in the records of the Architect of the Capitol.

In May 1868, the Congressional Globe includes a resolution proposed in the House to fit up two rooms near the Court of Claims in the Capitol as guard room and office for the Capitol Police, prompted by the fact that the lack of such facilities at the time compelled the detention of a recusant witness named Woolley in the room of the Committee on Foreign Affairs (present-day H-311). The Solicitor for the Court of Claims described the proposed guard room as "altogether unfit for any human habitation, night or day, in hot weather" and asserted that "to doom this victim . . . to remain there is to doom him to a living death." However, the plan was apparently carried out. The 1868 Report of the Architect of the Capitol Extension refers to "a guard-room fitted up with steam pipes for heating, and water closets and wash stands" that may well be the room mentioned in an 1869 guide book: "A narrow passage, on the left of the western entrance to the crypt, leads to the Guard-room of the Capitol Police, who use the apartment to secure offenders, should their detention become necessary." The location given suggests that the room may be modern-day H-159. The rooms in this area are presently used by the Capitol Physician for medical purposes.

A guide book of 1874 shows the Guard Room as a small space accessible by a door in the northwest section of the U.S. Capitol Crypt. That area today is a windowless storage room.

In 1877, a description in the Congressional Record indicates that a different space was used for the confinement of two Louisiana election officials: "It is a little room in the basement of the Capitol, with but two windows, opening upon no sunlight, but upon a narrow confined court into which no gleam of sunshine can ever enter." Floor plans from that year show that the room was likely H-159; if so, the accounts in the Record make it clear that conditions in the room had not markedly improved since its similar use in 1868: it is described as “a room so dark that it is necessary to keep the gas burning all day; a room that stinks, that smells like the den of some foul reptile, a room where thieves arrested around the Capitol are kept . . . ." Although the room was listed as the House Document Room, the reference to the apparently routine keeping of thieves suggests that it continued to serve as a guard room as well, at least when multiple inmates were to be confined. In 1889 a recusant witness before a Senate committee was taken into custody by the Senate Sergeant at Arms, but the area of his detention is not identified.

There is no evidence in the records of the Architect of the Capitol of any designated "guard room" or "detention area" in the Capitol since that time.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #13)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:43 PM

14. From the Washington post 5/9/19

Take a look at the headline and an excerpt from the article

Pelosi joked about a jail in the Capitol’s basement. Is there a House slammer?

A spokesman for the speaker told The Post on Thursday that, if ever it came down to arresting people, Congress could detain them in one of the rooms controlled by the House sergeant at arms. An email to the office of the sergeant at arms was not immediately returned Thursday.

Or, the Pelosi spokesman said, they could be thrown in the lockup at Capitol Police headquarters, at 119 D St. in Northeast Washington. “We can fit a maximum of two people,” said a sergeant who picked up the phone at the Capitol Police office and who declined to be identified.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #16)

Tue May 4, 2021, 11:43 AM

20. The conclusion does seem to be that congress doesn't have a lot of places to hold people

...even if they wanted to (even if Republicans were in charge, i doubt they would want to).

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Response to Dawson Leery (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 10:13 PM

2. Trashing

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Response to PortTack (Reply #2)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:14 PM

4. 2nd

I officially trash this thread

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Response to Dawson Leery (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:16 PM

5. Prepare for the impeachment of Joe Biden.

Guaran-damn-tee you it's coming if they take the House next year.

And expect the House GOP to appoint Trump Speaker in trade for him NOT running in 2024.

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #5)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:45 PM

15. They will 3 times just because.

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #5)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:51 PM

17. We were guaranteed they would impeach Obama.

They never did.

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #5)

Tue May 4, 2021, 04:34 AM

19. Trump would never accept the role of speaker

But if he did, it would be great news for Democrats. The GOP would end up shedding enough of the dumb split-ticket voters in 2024 to put their majority in severe peril.

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Response to Dawson Leery (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:18 PM

7. K&R, they will NO DOUBT do something close to the absurdity of the OP. 1/6 was the start not

... the finish

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Response to Dawson Leery (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:20 PM

9. Yep. They're authoritarian and insane

Not a good combo. If they claw back into power, they will never give it up. And I expect they will rapidly move to eliminate all opposed to them. They have morphed into the American Taliban.

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Response to Dawson Leery (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:28 PM

12. Pointless fear porn

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Response to Dawson Leery (Original post)

Tue May 4, 2021, 01:42 AM

18. And journalists, like Myanmar.

Myanmar charges Japanese journalist over alleged fake news

He was arrested in April and has been in prison since.

Along with their unsubstantiated "fraudulent election" claims, "fake news" would seem to be more evidence that the Myanmar junta has been borrowing ideas from Trump.

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Response to moondust (Reply #18)

Tue May 4, 2021, 12:32 PM

21. The fascist GOP has screamed through their bullhorn they will do the same.

They are on a jihad against the tech sectory.

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