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Mon May 3, 2021, 09:46 AM

America Now On the Verge of Re-Fighting the American Revolution?

Right-wing "Redcoat/Redhat" terrorists have openly proclaimed their goal of Americans fighting Americans in an ideological and racist war against democracy itself

Former Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney being booed in his own home state raise an urgent question: Are the Redcoats back?

The Republican party has now introduced over 300 pieces of legislation designed to make it more difficult for American citizens to participate in the process of selecting their representatives, the core function of a democratic republic.

They’ve also proposed or passed numerous laws criminalizing protest and dissent, primary American values written into the First Amendment, and given a “get out of jail free” card to people who kill protesters.

Today’s Republican party does not believe in democracy or the core idea on which this nation was founded:

“That all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights” and “that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…”


As we see with their support of Trump’s Big Lie, they have a serious problem with that “consent of the governed” part of the Declaration of Independence. And they’re pretty sketchy about that whole human “rights” thing.

If it seems like America is re-fighting the Revolutionary War or the Civil War, it’s because there’s a sizeable group of rightwing Americans who say that’s what they think they’re doing.

In both of those past wars, one group of Americans believed in the ideal of democracy and a republic deriving its authority from the will and consent of its people. On the other side, there were people who believed that democracy was a dangerous experiment and a grave mistake.

During the Revolutionary War the anti-democracy folks were called Tories or Loyalists, because they were loyal to the British king and believed that the best form of government was a kingdom, and that letting average people participate in democratic governance would lead to disaster.

That was solidly a third, perhaps even half, of the white people then living in North America: they were willing to fight and die to keep America part of the United Kingdom.

Those who opposed democracy on this continent had a lot of history on their side.

For most of the 7,000 years of recorded human history at that point, governments had been run either by kings who seized power through violence, or priestly theocrats who claimed that their authority to rule came from God. (In most cases, regardless of who ended up on top, there was an unholy alliance between the two.)

The British United Kingdom was just the latest, in 1776, in a long series of kingdoms that ruled every part of Europe; the Greek experiment with democracy was 3000 years old at that time, and the Roman experiment with a republican form of government had failed almost 2000 years earlier.

There were a lot of reasons back then to think that a democratic republic would be a terrible mistake.

The main one was that it hadn’t worked in thousands of years, and the ancient Greek and Roman experiments were considered by many — most, actually — to have been failed experiments.

People believed so strongly either in the Loyalist necessity of a royal family, or the Founders’ hope of a people engaged in self-rule, that families were literally torn apart, brother killing brother, neighbors turning firearms against each other.

By the time of the Civil War, 80 years later, there was still a debate about whether democracy was anything more than some kind of liberal, airy-fairy idea that really didn’t work out all that well.

But this time, those Americans who took up arms against democracy were not fighting on behalf of a church or a king. They were fighting to support the rich, the oligarchs of the deep South.

As I lay out in detail in my new book The Hidden History of American Oligarchy, between 1820 and 1860 the South underwent a radical consolidation of wealth and property.

The invention of the Cotton Gin and its adoption in the early 1820s allowed the few plantations wealthy enough to buy one to effectively wipe out their smaller competitors and buy up their land.

As a result, by 1860 virtually all of the most productive land, wealth and political power of the South was consolidated in the hands of just a few thousand families.

They did not believe in democracy either; they declared war on America specifically to end democracy and establish a continent-wide oligarchy: rule by the rich in an oligarchic police state as the South had become.

The North won and democracy prevailed, but the idea of oligarchy survived and has been persistent throughout American history.

This is what the Republican party now represents: Oligarchy.

Rule by the rich and ignoring “the consent of the governed.”

The suppression of dissent, the oppression of minorities, and replacing the ballot box with the iron fist of a police state run of, by and for the wealthy few.

And they’re pushing us there really hard and really fast:

A political network run by a group of right-wing billionaires has a larger budget and more employees than the entire Republican party.

A family of billionaire oligarchs from Australia crank democracy-hating propaganda into the American political bloodstream nearly every day on cable television and in print.

Voices openly denigrating democracy and promoting hate and intolerance — the hallmarks of oligarchy — are on local radio and television in every American city every single day, and dominate the Internet.

The single largest source of threats and murders by terrorists in America are today committed by white-supremacist right-wingers who hate and fear the idea of a pluralistic, democratic society.

Tragically, for the third time in our history, Americans who believe in democracy find themselves again having to defend themselves against Americans who don’t.

Several of these hard-right groups have openly declared their intention to start a second American Civil War.

They say they want to see Americans killing each other in the name of white supremacy and rule by the rich, and some have followed their suggestion.

They declare their loyalty to a white-supremacist real estate oligarch from New York, get their news from Australian and Ukrainian oligarchs, and have embraced an ideology championed by Germans in the 1930s.

They even adorn themselves in red and wear funny hats like the British loyalists did in revolutionary times.

The Biden presidency represents America’s third, and perhaps final, chance to prove democracy is not merely an idealistic fantasy.

If his administration and the Democrats in Congress can succeed in conquering the coronavirus, putting the American economy back on track, and rebuilding the civil society that 40 years of Reaganism has so devastated, American democracy — and, indeed, democracy around the world — may well endure and even grow.

But Republicans are doing everything they can to keep that from happening, from discouraging vaccination and public health measures, to sabotaging our election systems, to amplifying their rhetoric of hate and terror across multiple media platforms.

When “moderate” voices within their ranks, like Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney, dare pop their heads up, the majority of the Republican Party viciously attacks them.

Dissent is no longer allowed in the GOP.

Authoritarianism has prevailed.

Oligarchy has completely seized the party.

These, as Thomas Paine (a fervent believer in democracy) said, “are the times that try men’s souls.”

Long before actual conflict broke out, Paine wrote: “The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered…”

We must not let the right-wing Redcoat/Redhat terrorists, who have openly proclaimed their goal of Americans killing Americans in an ideological and racial war, prevail.

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Reply America Now On the Verge of Re-Fighting the American Revolution? (Original post)
thomhartmann Monday OP
OAITW r.2.0 Monday #1
Wounded Bear Monday #2
Hekate Monday #3
intheflow Monday #13
zaj Monday #4
MineralMan Monday #5
cayugafalls Monday #18
MineralMan Monday #20
Celerity Tuesday #31
roamer65 Monday #6
uponit7771 Tuesday #28
TreasonousBastard Monday #7
elleng Monday #12
wnylib Monday #15
TreasonousBastard Monday #21
wnylib Monday #22
Celerity Tuesday #32
TreasonousBastard Tuesday #33
multigraincracker Monday #8
DownriverDem Monday #9
packman Monday #10
Ligyron Monday #25
elleng Monday #11
johnthewoodworker Monday #14
Grins Monday #16
Warpy Monday #17
BobTheSubgenius Monday #19
thomhartmann Monday #26
BobTheSubgenius Tuesday #36
world wide wally Monday #23
Caliman73 Monday #24
DBoon Tuesday #27
uponit7771 Tuesday #29
Klaralven Tuesday #30
pressbox69 Tuesday #34
pressbox69 Tuesday #35

Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 09:54 AM

1. First, game election outcomes by legislating voter participation in Democratic strongholds.

Then legislate laws to punish those who protest these election limitations.

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 09:56 AM

2. K&R...nt

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 09:58 AM

3. Not exactly. Based on ideology & their own statements, they want Civil War 2.0. nt

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Response to Hekate (Reply #3)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:41 AM

13. Yeah, not the Revolutionary War, but the Lost Cause of the Confederacy.

Although it's true that many Revolutionary War/Founding Fathers really just wanted freedom from Britain so they could create and unilaterally rule their own private fiefdoms, known as plantations. So I guess... sort of like refighting the Revolutionary War, but really, much more about dividing the existing Union to again allow power over literal life and death for their workers (enslaved or not). This is Civil War, Part II.

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 10:02 AM

4. They are traitors. It's a 2nd Civil War. They are attacking 250 years of....

... American democracy. Do not* give them the honor of comparing this crap to the American Revolution.

Words define narratives that shape the discussion.

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 10:02 AM

5. Wrong War, Thom.

Yup. Wrong war.

More like the second Civil War, really. And who is going to be doing the fighting? The morons who tried to shut down Congress to keep Donwald J. Drumph in office? Really.

Your article is an overstatement and has the wrong war as its subject.

So, what's your plan?

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #5)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:13 PM

18. If I may? A minor correction to your post.

You incorrectly point out "wrong war" as if that negates the entirety of the op, while missing the point Thom makes that during the Revolution there were Americans and many others fighting with the British, the Loyalists. Thom is making reference to how many on the right have viewed Drumpf as the new King retaking what is rightfully his, so his analogy between this and the Revolutionary war stands. The Oligarchs never went away, they just plotted their return until the right time.

Loyalists
The Revolutionary War was a Civil War between Patriots and those loyal to the crown. There were many colonies whose population was in support of England and believed that the colonists should pay their fair share in order to be part of the empire.

This was especially prevalent in New York and many of the southern colonies where the fighting would become fierce. It would become neighbor against neighbor and some of the action in the Southern Theatre was the most brutal in the entire war. This was especially true at the Battle of Waxhaws and Battle of King’s Mountain.

After the war, many Loyalists fled to England or Canada for refuge. Those that stayed most likely had their land condemned and faced terrible persecution while on enemy soil.

HistoryJunkie

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Response to cayugafalls (Reply #18)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:43 PM

20. You may do anything you wish to do.

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Response to cayugafalls (Reply #18)

Tue May 4, 2021, 11:18 AM

31. +1

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 10:04 AM

6. Let's see after the 2024 election.

That election will be a major inflection point.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #6)

Tue May 4, 2021, 06:50 AM

28. Without SR1 we won't make it to that election no way the GQP gives up power of they lose again

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 10:11 AM

7. The big question is just what CAN we do about it? Franklin's terse reply...

"A republic, if you can keep it" is more terrorizing than humorous.

The forces of authoritarianism generally have an advantage-- they are more organized and goal-driven than us (small "d" democrats. They also have no qualms about using force.

Look at Myanmar for the latest example, but there are many others around the world. Turkey and Poland are heading that way at top speed. Even something as large as Brazil has lost its way.

Maoist China, Stalinist Russia, and Nazi Germany all had little problem taking over from weak republics. And the sources of Democracy, Greece and Rome, didn't take long to disappear into the mire of oligarchy.

As strong as our system seems to be, throughout history empires driven by charismatic and ruthless tyrants seems to be the rule.

My fear is that the genius of our system may have simply run its course.

Franklin's too.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #7)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:19 AM

12. Ditto

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #7)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:50 AM

15. Another Franklin quote

(I think it was Franklin)

"The price of liberty is eternal vigilance."

There will always be tyrants and oligarchs who seek the power to rule exclusively. There will always be a need to recognize who they are and what they are doing in order to stop them.

Eternal vigilance.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #15)

Mon May 3, 2021, 01:27 PM

21. More likely Jefferson, but no one really knows. And it is a truism, but...

as I was sort of saying-- we might even have that vigilance, but do we have the will, the power, and the organization to fight for that freedom?

Our Founders were well aware of British history, and the Cromwell years. Seems he made Charles I look not so bad after all.

And it wasn't long after our Revolution that the French threw out their royalty-- and then look what happened.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #21)

Mon May 3, 2021, 01:40 PM

22. Yes, I've often marvelled that

ours turned out to be so successful. I credit the quality and governing experience of our founders, influenced by the Age of Reason.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #21)

Tue May 4, 2021, 11:35 AM

32. Neither likely, the first known usage was by John Philpott Curran in London, in 1790

From The speeches of the Right Honourable John Philpot Curran (July 10, 1790, p. 105, italics added).

https://archive.org/details/speechesofrighth00curr

Nor is it strange that, in those times, a board consisting of so small a number as twenty-four members, with the advantages of a more united interest, and a longer continuance in office, should have prevailed, even contrary to so evident principles of natural justice and constitutional right, against the unsteady resistance of competitors so much less vigilant, so much more numerous, and, therefore, so much less united. It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance, which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime, and the punishment of his guilt.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #32)

Tue May 4, 2021, 11:38 AM

33. That showed up on my search, too.

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 10:27 AM

8. This slogan from the 1770s can save us now.

"No taxation without representation" is a political slogan that originated in the American Revolution, and which expressed one of the primary grievances of the American colonists against Great Britain. In short, many colonists believed that as they were not represented in the distant British parliament, any taxes it imposed on the colonists (such as the Stamp Act and the Townshend Acts) were unconstitutional, and were a denial of the colonists' rights as Englishmen.

The firm belief that the government should not tax a populace unless that populace is represented in some manner in the government developed in the English Civil War, following the refusal of parliamentarian John Hampden to pay ship money tax.[1] In the context of British taxation of its American colonies, the slogan "No taxation without representation" appeared for the first time in a headline of a February 1768 London Magazine printing of Lord Camden's "Speech on the Declaratory Bill of the Sovereignty of Great Britain over the Colonies," which was given in parliament.[2]

A law to forbid paying taxes if not allowed to vote or if your vote in not counted could save Democracy.

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 10:39 AM

9. We need a way

to be identified so we won't be lumped with the treasonous traitors.

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 10:58 AM

10. Well, that settles it - goin' out and get me some guns and ammo

And buy a few more for my kids, grandkids, and wife





I'm gonna' shot me some of those damn assholes and enjoy it- tired of this bullshit

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Response to packman (Reply #10)

Mon May 3, 2021, 05:36 PM

25. Good on you!!

You’re doing the lards work so I’ll buy you a round.

Literally 🚅

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:17 AM

11. Today's Republican party does not believe in democracy.

EXACTLY

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:50 AM

14. Republicans became the American Nazi party some time ago, but officially in 2016. They have no

desire to hear from, or help, the non racist American. They took over many states, including my Wisconsin, some time ago. Republican/Nazis will only become more hostile with time. They will, initially, make it more difficult to vote and protest. In their later states they will authorize the abuse of non Nazis. Any liberal democrat who thinks this fascism this ends peacefully is delusional. You'll do well to read about brown shirts and buy a gun.

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:58 AM

16. "..the anti-democracy folks were called Tories or Loyalists..."

They were also called “conservatives”.

When they say they want their country back, they mean to a monarchy.

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:10 PM

17. We never stopped ifighting it, honestly

There was a large group in this country who wanted George Washington declared king. Fortunately, the majority then were sensible and having none of it, including Washington, himself.

There has always been a tension between follow the leader types and small "d" democrats. Religion served to give the autocrats the social and political framework they needed for a very long time, but Reagan decided he wanted power badly enough that he politicized them, probably the worst thing he did in 8 years of horrible rule.

We're always going to have to fight these people and that means outvoting them in the best of times and bloody conflict in the worst. I hope the stacked USSC is wise enough to overturn voter suppression laws in wingnut states so that we don't see the worst of times again.

RWNJs are wired differently and there is no way to convince them that oligarchy and dictatorships turn very bad very quickly, even when they roll in with promises of paradise on earth. They want Caesar, not the Republic, and there is nothing much we can do about that except continuing to fight them in good times and gad.

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:35 PM

19. It's hard to believe, thinking back on a lifetime of political teachings.

The "lead to disaster" folks may have had much more of a point than I ever thought, based on what we see today. I take comfort in my belief that the rabble's idea that, once the rubber hits the road, the military and various police agencies will back them in order to throw off the tyranny of law and order, is badly mistaken.

While there are elements of insurrectionists in all types of occupation and organizations, the vast majority joined because they believe in the foundational principles of whatever organization they joined and pledged to follow and support. I firmly believe that the vast majority take the oaths they swore very seriously, and will defend the republic and its ideals.

After that, it's easy. The rabble in question may have some serious and trained people, but by and large, they are posers. The cosplay will end when anything truly serious happens. I think they will find that, in commitment, preparedness, and especially materiel, the official forces of the US, its states and cities are vastly better equipped. Their initial first-hand encounter with a minigun or a Vulcan rotary cannon will be a shock and awe moment they will scarcely believe and will remember for the rest of their lives, however long or short those may be.


In the meantime, though....this is a s_show the like of which I NEVER thought I would see in this...demi-hemisphere? Not outside some of the berserk, lawless areas of Mexico where the cartels outmuscle the governmental forces.

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Response to BobTheSubgenius (Reply #19)

Mon May 3, 2021, 09:38 PM

26. Brilliant!

Couldn’t have said it better…

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Response to thomhartmann (Reply #26)

Tue May 4, 2021, 10:27 PM

36. Thank you so much!

I enjoy and admire your work very much, so your comment means a lot to me.

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 01:42 PM

23. I only disagree with one point.

The modern day traitor does no profess to be anti-democracy. They pretend they are fighting for the same values as the founding Fathers. Freedumb in their words.

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #23)

Mon May 3, 2021, 02:34 PM

24. Agreed.

They think that they are fighting the "tyranny" of the mask, or of getting some form of universal health care access. They see themselves and often clothe themselves in the words and symbols of the revolutionaries. That is why we see so many Gadsen Flags at rallies where these people are protesting public health measures and other situations where the government is attempting to act in the best interests of the majority of the people.

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Tue May 4, 2021, 12:23 AM

27. They say we are a republic and not a democracy

They have been saying this since the days of the John Birch Society

Democracy is dangerous to them because it leads to socialism

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Response to DBoon (Reply #27)

Tue May 4, 2021, 07:02 AM

29. +1,

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Tue May 4, 2021, 07:17 AM

30. Most kings did not seize power through violence -- they inherited power

And most of the nobility also received power by birth.

Their legal privileges and power to govern others was part of the class into which they were born.

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Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

Tue May 4, 2021, 11:52 AM

34. The only good monarch is a dead monarch.

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Response to pressbox69 (Reply #34)

Tue May 4, 2021, 11:53 AM

35. Except for butterflies of course.

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