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Sun May 2, 2021, 01:26 PM

Living in the world of pants-on-fire lies



Tweet text:
Jay Rosen
@jayrosen_nyu
Speaker One: "Don't amplify!"

Speaker Two: "I hear you, but sometimes we have to!"

Speaker Three should be @pastpunditry.

https://cnn.com/2021/04/29/opinions/trump-lying-in-politics-goes-deeper-hemmer/index.html

Her answer: Ignore the shiniest, least reality-based objects, and when you can't do that, "deeply contextualize" the false claims.

Opinion: Living in the world of pants-on-fire lies
Removing President Donald Trump from office -- and social media -- hasn't rid Americans of a political environment where lies and liars are normalized, says historian Nicole Hemmer. Effectively...
cnn.com
10:14 AM May 2, 2021


https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/29/opinions/trump-lying-in-politics-goes-deeper-hemmer/index.html

(CNN) When President Donald Trump's social media feeds went dark after the insurrection at the Capitol, it felt like a fog beginning to lift. For more than five years, starting with his campaign announcement in June 2015, political journalism had been clogged with a nonstop torrent of exaggerations, lies and head-scratching pronouncements that scuttled efforts to focus on systemic concerns.

From exhaustive fact checks to contentious briefing-room clashes over the administration's "alternative facts," debunking the whirl of lies became a full-time process and started derailing pressing long-term conversations. But as the past few weeks have shown, the mendacity that once seemed like a feature of politics in the age of Trump has outlived the former president's Twitter feed.

The past week alone has featured increasingly ridiculous false claims issuing from the right. There's the one about the Biden administration taking away Americans' hamburgers. And the one about the White House giving gift bags with the vice president's book to migrant children -- that one was effectively retracted by the New York Post and the reporter resigned, saying she was forced to write a false story.

As those pseudo-stories suggest, while we may have dispensed with some problems unique to living in a country run by an inveterate liar, questions remain about how to deal with a continuing torrent of politically useful falsehoods. And they remain because the problem both predates Trump and was exacerbated by him; indeed, it goes to the heart of how journalists think about what they do.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 01:36 PM

1. what the everloving f*ck??

great headline about all the lies, surely it's all about republicans and donnie and foxnews and so on.

yeah, the article talks about all that sure enough, but the first and biggest thing you see when you click the link is a big pic of biden, with a caption that says while he's better than donnie was, he's "not perfect".


let's not pretend the media aren't experts at what they do. they know damn well journalism isn't a mere recitation of idle facts. the know damn well that editorial decisions make a huge difference. facts, sure. but which facts to run stories on, which facts to include in the story, which facts to emphasize, etc. all have a big effect on the story and its influence on the reader.

so making a big stink up front about how biden is not perfect, and from all a reader might tell from the caption, maybe only marginally better than donnie, is ridiculous. it maybe technically correct to say biden isn't perfect, no one is and that's a completely fatuous standard.

donnie may well hold the record for biggest liar in history. biden is nothing like that at all, and any responsible article on this topic would make that abundantly clear immediately.

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Sun May 2, 2021, 01:37 PM

2. Enough of these djt stories...it's time to move on and ignore this POS. It's like a fresh

breath of air, after being cleaned and infused with the smell of Ozone after a rainstorm.

djt is toxic beyond belief. time to start treating him as such, have no more stories on motor mouth, and start ignoring him and his ilk.

I even debated responding to this posting, as in a way, it's perpetuating the djt myth. I am sick of this piece of trash...

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Sun May 2, 2021, 01:45 PM

3. The media just can't let go of the freak show. They salivate over all that outrage and the clicks!!1

"Journalism" has devolved into mostly opinion and stenography all covered in a thick coating of both-siderism. I've said before that the biggest profit center in media today is the "outrage industry." Some call it "outrage porn," and apparently it's addictive. I wish I had a nickel for every person I've told to "just change the channel or turn it off" after they've barraged me with the latest "outrage" they heard or read somewhere, usually one of the many opinion shows that still clutter the public discourse. ARGH!

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