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Tue Apr 27, 2021, 08:36 AM

Jay-Z wants to be remembered like Bob Marley

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/entertainment/20210427/jay-z-wants-be-remembered-bob-marley

The enduring legacy of dreadlocked reggae icon Bob Marley has clearly had a tremendous impact on superstar rapper and businessman Jay-Z. Some 40 years after the death of the reggae legend, Jay-Z said during a recent interview that he wants to be remembered just like Marley.

During what is being called “a rare interview with the Sunday Times” to promote his Puma partnership, Jay-Z was asked, among other things, how he would like to be remembered once he has passed. “I have no idea,” he is reported as saying. “I’m not beyond ego, right? Hopefully, they speak of me [with] the names of Bob Marley and all the greats. But that’s not for me to say.”

The mogul, who has been growing locks for a few years now, was also quizzed on issues such as race relations in the United States and the COVID-19 pandemic. He noted, “As a human race, we’re still on basic things. We’re still on Stop Asian Hate. We can’t sit and cry over spilt milk, but we do have to acknowledge that there’s milk, right? Are we here today? No. Are we further than 50 years ago? Yes.”

With a decades-long, highly successful music career, Jay-Z is seen as the role model for many artistes. He delivered some honest, thought-provoking answers during a sound bite-filled interview, but it was the Bob Marley comment that captured the headlines. In 2017, Jay-Z notably sampled dancehall pioneer Sister Nancy’s 1982 song Bam Bam on his 4:44 album track Bam, featuring Bob Marley’s son, Damian. In March 2018, Jay-Z and his wife Beyoncé jetted into Jamaica to shoot visuals for their then-upcoming On The Run II world tour. The hip-hop power couple was pictured riding a motorbike through the streets of Trench Town, a place Bob Marley called home.
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Reply Jay-Z wants to be remembered like Bob Marley (Original post)
malaise Apr 27 OP
underpants Apr 27 #1
malaise Apr 27 #5
CurtEastPoint Apr 27 #2
CrackityJones75 Apr 27 #3
no_hypocrisy Apr 27 #4
AZProgressive Apr 27 #6
panader0 Apr 27 #7
malaise Apr 27 #9
FSogol Apr 27 #8
maxsolomon Apr 27 #24
OAITW r.2.0 Apr 27 #10
malaise Apr 27 #11
Solly Mack Apr 27 #12
malaise Apr 27 #13
Solly Mack Apr 27 #14
helpisontheway Apr 27 #15
Solly Mack Apr 27 #16
ProfessorGAC Apr 27 #25
Solly Mack Apr 27 #27
Solomon Apr 27 #30
Solly Mack Apr 28 #32
ProfessorGAC Apr 28 #34
Solly Mack Apr 28 #35
PETRUS Apr 27 #17
JuJuChen Apr 27 #18
msongs Apr 27 #19
tonedevil Apr 27 #20
Celerity Apr 27 #21
tonedevil Apr 27 #26
Celerity Apr 27 #22
SYFROYH Apr 27 #23
Coventina Apr 27 #28
TexasBushwhacker Apr 27 #29
Texasgal Apr 27 #31
Raine Apr 28 #33
JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 28 #36

Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 08:41 AM

1. Never got it

Everything I’ve heard from him is sexist and derogatory but it’s not like I’ve cataloged his work.

So he uses a sales pitch to equate himself with a legend. Okay.

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Response to underpants (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 09:25 AM

5. Agree it won't happen

but he picked a great legend

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 08:42 AM

2. He wishes. Bob Marley is a legend.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 08:45 AM

3. Nope.

His music video glorifying dog fighting was enough for me to avoid that trash pile.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 08:48 AM

4. Not going to happen.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 09:32 AM

6. He is a very talented MC

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A lot of his songs have cuss words so not going to deny what others said upthread but he is well respected by his peers. Lil' Wayne started calling himself "the best rapper alive" when Jay-Z retired. I think the reason why Kamala Harris tripped on those questions is because the reason why they say that or ask that is because rappers like 2pac are dead.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 09:43 AM

7. Good luck with that.

I can't claim to be a fan of Jay-Z, but he'll never be remembered like Bob Marley.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 09:55 AM

9. Ha

Same here - still he picked a great legend

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 09:44 AM

8. Who?

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Response to FSogol (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 06:03 PM

24. there's always one in every music thread.

You may know him as Mr. Beyonce.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 10:57 AM

10. I confuse him and Kanye West.....

Both seem to have overblown egos and have famous wives. Well, for Kanye, used to have a famous wife...

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 11:37 AM

11. Hahahaehaha

Kanye is even worse

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 11:59 AM

12. Jay-Z will be remembered as incredibly influential in the hip-hop world and music in general.

Doesn't matter if some people don't like his music. You - and that's the general you - don't have to like him for this to be true. Just because your opinion of him is negative doesn't mean those in the industry have a negative opinion of him.

There are well known musical groups like Linkin Park that do covers of his songs and singers like Ariana Grande who have written songs about Jay-Z and the influences he has on the industry and them personally.

And just because some people don't know who Linkin Park is doesn't change anything. And neither does not liking them or not knowing or not liking Ariana Grande.

None of that changes how the musical industry sees him or the influence he has had on up and comers in hip-hop and music in general.

He's a billionaire artist and business man and while that alone garners him attention, it will be his diversity of ability to deliver the music and the receipts that will inspire hip-hop generations to come.

Just because he doesn't speak to you (still the general you) doesn't mean he doesn't speak to millions of other people.

Now, will his name come in the same breath as Bob Marley?

That will depend on where the conversation is taking place and who is doing the talking.

Me? I think 20 years from now people will still be telling the elevator story and Solange Knowles will be a name a whole lot of people remember.

As well as Becky with the good hair.

And Lemonade.

Which takes us to the greatest thing about Jay-Z people will remember.

Beyonce.

Course, 444 was an epic response. Credit where credit due.

Now, Nas might have some thoughts on how Jay-Z will be remembered. But I ain't giving a refresher.

As for me, nah. Give me Bob Marley any day. Not even a question - Bob Marley rules. No contest. No comparison. None.

Just saying Jay-Z has been influential whether people like him or not. He's not the flavor I crave but that's a personal choice thing.

There is a difference, I might add, between influential and impact.

Just saying.













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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 12:02 PM

13. Good post

I poste the OP for one reason - the respect meted out to legends by others even if they aren't our favorites or we don't like them.

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Response to malaise (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 12:10 PM

14. Bob Marley influenced well, just about everyone.

Jay-Z influenced a lot.

I am sometimes pleasantly surprised by the influences some artists claim. A lot of times you can hear it in their own music but not always.

It's the connection that music brings to all of us. Connections we don't always know about.

Common ground. Sharing. Delight.







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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 12:19 PM

15. I don't understand the appeal of Jay Z..however that is just me..

I absolutely love Beyoncé.

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Response to helpisontheway (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 12:38 PM

16. People like the music they like. I like some of almost everything.

I don't consider how they influence others or how big or popular they are when I'm listening. I only consider if I like it or not.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 06:17 PM

25. Fun Linkin Park Nugget

One of their hits (name escapes me) has a looped sample adding to the rhythm.
It's a sample of a driver hitting a golf ball through the TV mikes they put on each tee.
I thought that was clever, and it does add a nice touch to the counter rhythm of the tune.
I thought of it when you mentioned them.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #25)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 09:09 PM

27. Don't you just love the random sounds artists will put into their songs?

Or how they achieved those sounds?

Now I wonder which came first - the golf ball or the tune?

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 11:31 PM

30. Great post.

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Response to Solomon (Reply #30)

Wed Apr 28, 2021, 12:46 AM

32. You know those lists of 100 best guitarists or most influential music groups?

I read them and think the such and such needs to be up higher on the list or down lower and I wonder why some even made it.

But that's a personal taste thing.

If the list is made by those in the business or even when musicians rate other musicians - well, they would know better than I. They are using a different set of criteria than I am. A professional one, though personal preference when it comes to style also plays into it for them. It would have to, just not, it seems to me, with the absolutism that fans bring to it.

Musicians name their influences and those influences come from across the board - culling from country, rock, soul, R&B, bluegrass, jazz, classical and on and on. It's the music. It's the playing. Not all the baggage. Though the industry is not without baggage - just a different sort.

Comes to music, I'm open to the experience.

It's a smorgasbord of talent and sometimes I come back for seconds, thirds, fourths and sometimes one tasting is enough. Sometimes a single bite is too much.

Thanks!





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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #32)

Wed Apr 28, 2021, 07:19 AM

34. You Ain't Kidding

Especially the guitar lists.
I'm a very accomplished guitar player & I see some names high on the list and think WTF?
But, my perspective is different.
If I hear a guitar player and I know (not think) I'm better than that AND there's nothing in my playing taken from that player, I think "No way!"
The opposite example would be Clapton. I can play things he can't, and never could, but nearly all guitarists have incorporated something he brought to the game. He belongs high on the list.
I'll stay silent on the most overrated, because as you said, it's a matter of taste. (Ok, I lied. There's one player with the initials KR that I can't stay silent about.)

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 28, 2021, 12:01 PM

35. I hope you made a protection sign when you typed those initials. ;)

Can't be too careful about the already embalmed and still playing.

My husband plays and he takes issue with those guitar lists as well. Sometimes I point them out to him just to get him going. It's enjoyable for him for his own reasons and I like listening to him travel back in time and across genres to explain why so-and-so is great, truly great, and who he thinks is underrated or overrated.

He has a completely different way of looking at it than I do.

He gets excited, plays songs or clips of songs and says, "There! There! Hear that change? Right there! Right there! Brilliant! Simply brilliant!" (then plays it again to make sure I hear it). Or pulls his own instrument out to show me the difference.

He talks about something people are currently excited about that was done - and done better - by so-and so back in 1972/1958/1936, scoffing at "so-called experts" claiming how the sound is original or fresh.







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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 12:59 PM

17. 2013 National Book Award winner (for Nonfiction) had a chapter on Jay-Z

"The Unwinding" was the title. I thought it was a pretty interesting book. Jay-Z came across as a very bright, ambitious and calculating human being. There's also a profile of someone who worked close with Biden for years...

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 01:19 PM

18. I can pick a million Marley songs, not one Jay-Z song

so sorry but getting dreads aren't gonna make you remembered like Bob just cause you went to Jamaica and smoked a doob.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 05:21 PM

19. trying to cash in on bob marley is not anything new or unique nt

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 05:39 PM

20. So many of the responses here...

could be reduced to "get off my lawn". The coolest ones start by saying how little the writer knows about the subject at hand.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #20)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 05:48 PM

21. I want to say so much more, and in harsher language, on so many levels, but I shall hold my tongue.


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Response to Celerity (Reply #21)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 06:40 PM

26. It can be stunning. /nt

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 05:56 PM

23. Maybe. The dude has won a lot of Grammy's



Hard Knock Life was significant. Mashing the beloved Annie song with poor inner-city black life was genius social commentary



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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 09:16 PM

28. Fuck any and all "artists" who glorify dog fighting. n/t

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 09:30 PM

29. When I think of Marley, I think of an artist

When I think of Jay Z, I think of a businessman.

Of course, part of what makes Bob so mythic is that he died so young. Jay Z has already aged out of that category.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Apr 27, 2021, 11:37 PM

31. Two very different artists.

I think Jay Z will be remembered as a mogul of Hip Hop.

Bob Marley is remembered by his activism and LOVE.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Apr 28, 2021, 04:41 AM

33. NOT going to happen, anyway not as far as I'm concerned ... Bob Marley was THE BEST! nt

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Apr 28, 2021, 02:28 PM

36. Remembered like Marley? I doubt it. Maybe ...

... he might be remembered like Jimmy Cliff or Bunny Wailer. If he's lucky.

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