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Thu Apr 22, 2021, 12:46 PM

"But she had a knife" "The police officer had no choice"


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Reply "But she had a knife" "The police officer had no choice" (Original post)
Nevilledog Apr 22 OP
Jirel Apr 22 #1
Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 22 #2
BlueTsunami2018 Apr 22 #3
ExciteBike66 Apr 22 #4
Ms. Toad Apr 22 #9
Straw Man Apr 22 #16
Ms. Toad Apr 22 #20
DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 22 #21
Ms. Toad Apr 22 #30
DenaliDemocrat Apr 22 #57
Ms. Toad Apr 22 #60
DenaliDemocrat Apr 23 #73
Ms. Toad Apr 23 #74
Carlitos Brigante Apr 23 #75
DenaliDemocrat Apr 23 #76
fescuerescue Apr 22 #45
LisaL Apr 22 #46
Ms. Toad Apr 22 #47
LisaL Apr 22 #48
Ms. Toad Apr 22 #52
LisaL Apr 22 #53
Ms. Toad Apr 22 #54
LisaL Apr 22 #55
uponit7771 Apr 22 #51
sop Apr 22 #5
RegularJam Apr 22 #6
MarineCombatEngineer Apr 22 #7
Bettie Apr 22 #8
StarfishSaver Apr 22 #26
sop Apr 22 #10
Calista241 Apr 22 #11
misanthrope Apr 22 #34
Owl Apr 23 #78
Loki Liesmith Apr 22 #15
MarineCombatEngineer Apr 22 #19
Celerity Apr 22 #23
Celerity Apr 22 #22
cinematicdiversions Apr 22 #37
misanthrope Apr 22 #40
Ace Rothstein Apr 22 #49
Nixie Apr 22 #59
flotsam Apr 22 #62
Owl Apr 23 #70
DenaliDemocrat Apr 22 #58
Silent3 Apr 22 #12
Midnightwalk Apr 22 #13
ratchiweenie Apr 22 #17
Midnightwalk Apr 22 #18
Generic Brad Apr 22 #56
DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 22 #25
Midnightwalk Apr 22 #29
DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 22 #61
CrackityJones75 Apr 23 #68
Loki Liesmith Apr 22 #14
DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 22 #24
HipChick Apr 22 #27
StarfishSaver Apr 22 #31
HipChick Apr 22 #33
DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 22 #41
flotsam Apr 22 #63
StarfishSaver Apr 22 #64
flotsam Apr 23 #65
CrackityJones75 Apr 23 #69
BGBD Apr 23 #77
DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 22 #42
uponit7771 Apr 22 #50
Devil Child Apr 23 #71
SYFROYH Apr 22 #28
StarfishSaver Apr 22 #32
LizBeth Apr 22 #35
StarfishSaver Apr 22 #36
LizBeth Apr 22 #38
StarfishSaver Apr 22 #39
Demsrule86 Apr 22 #43
StarfishSaver Apr 23 #66
DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 22 #44
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 12:52 PM

1. Yeah, funny how that works.

Seems cops can take a knife wielder down just fine without executing them...

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 12:55 PM

2. And the girl in pink had no protective garment on

Look at the proximity in both videos of officer and suspect.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:01 PM

3. She did, he didn't.

Iím not sure why thereís any issue with this. He saved the other girl, thatís his job. Thatís serving and protecting. Why isnít that the story?

And if he didnít do anything and the other girl was stabbed, heíd be the bad guy for that too.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:09 PM

4. And?

Tasers sometimes work, sure.

I am not sure the girl in pink wanted to find out whether it would work in her case.

The cop stopped a murder and saved a life.

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:27 PM

9. I think he should have pulled a taser rather than his gun.

He shot because that is what he had in his hand.

Because he was expecting a knife fight (moving bodies close to one another) he should have pulled a less lethal weapon as he exited his car. Guns are not good in those situations, because you are just as likely to kill the innocent person as the aggressor. Whether a taser hits its mark, or misses, it is less likely to be deadly.

The police officer was relativley close to Ma'Khia earlier in the video, when she was not near any other person - and had his gun trained on her. Had he pulled his taser, rather than his gun, he could easily have used it at that moment before she was near the girl in pink.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 03:51 PM

16. Bad advice.

Whether a taser hits its mark, or misses, it is less likely to be deadly.

And if it had missed its mark in this case, the other girl would have ended up seriously injured or dead. Tasers are not an adequate defense against deadly force.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #16)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 05:53 PM

20. I agree - only as that final second.

A taser would not have been appropriate to stop the swinging knife **at the moment he fired**.

BUT - had he gotten out of the car with his taser drawn (rather than his gun), he had ample opportunity to stop her prior to that final swing.

They were warned that the weapon involved was a knife - which inherently means that **if the thread of bodily injury or death is immnent** the two are in close proximity to each other, and wrestling around. If that is what you expect, a taser is a better weapon to draw than a gun because of the inherent danger that the bullet will hit the wrong moving target.

From the moment he emerged from the car, though, he had his gun drawn and was aiming it at the girl - had that been a taser instead, he could have tased her when she passed close by him, pivoting toward the girl in pink without risking both girl's lives, the way he did in firing the gun.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 06:03 PM

21. video don't lie

the moment he emerged from the car, though, he had his gun drawn

I believe I saw his hand on his holstered weapon, but not drawn as he walked toward the crowd.
Then, when she charge forward, he drew it.

As far as walking up with a hand on the holstered taser instead? Training for that? I don't know.
A police call about attempted stabbings, I believe, but when you get there you could easily run into a gun by then, it is the USA.

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Response to DontBelieveEastisEas (Reply #21)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:05 PM

30. We're seeing different things

as to when he drew his weapon. I see him looking over the sight of his gun long enough that - had it been a taser - he could have safely used it to disable Ma'Kiah either when she was tussling with the first girl - or as she was pivoting to run to the second.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #30)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 10:39 PM

57. He did not draw his weapon

His right hand was clearly on the grip. He drew as the woman charged and the man kicked her. Itís quite visible

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Response to DenaliDemocrat (Reply #57)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 10:52 PM

60. We are seeing things differently. n/t

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #60)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 12:35 PM

73. Uh no

He clearly does not have his weapon drawn as he gets out of the car. Thatís not protocol anyway. If he had his weapon drawn upon exit, he would have been keeping the car between him and the tracker for cover. I worked law enforcement as a Ranger.

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Response to DenaliDemocrat (Reply #73)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 12:52 PM

74. So we're enot seeing things differently? Glad you've come around! n/t

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #74)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 12:55 PM

76. No.

The neighborís video corroborates his weapon was not drawn until he exited the car and was advancing. His hand is clearly on the pistol grip in a ready stance

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #16)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 10:11 PM

45. Many people don't understand that

That Tasers are not a defensive weapon.

Tasers are offense. A "first strike" weapon. Pepper spray too.

If a cop is in position where he is being attacked, a taser is about the worst choice to have in hand. Better choices being club, knife, or gun. (Better from the viewpoint of being able stop an attacker)

If you look at use of force videos. When cops use a Taser it's almost always to force compliance.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 10:11 PM

46. I don't think his training calls for taser when someone is being attacked with a deadly weapon.

Tasers don't work all of the time, especially one someone pumped up on adrenaline.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #46)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 10:14 PM

47. Training is a significant part of the reason there are so many dead brown and black people

at the hands of police. That's not really a selling point for me.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #47)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 10:16 PM

48. I guess he could have done nothing.

Seems that's what people want him to have done. And if the other girl got stabbed, so be it?
Because taser was not going to work in that situation.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #48)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 10:22 PM

52. A taser would have worked,

had that been his first response.

That doesn't make the shooting unlawful - it wasn't. He was entitled to defend the life of another using deadly force. I just wish that a step before pulling his gun he had made a different choice.

Guns are extremely dangerous when two people are engaged in hand-to-hand combat, since they move around too much and too unpredictably to be able to reliably shoot the aggressor. He was very luck he hit his intended target. Had the girl in pink been a fraction of a second faster with her foot and managed to shove Ma'Khai out of the path of the bullet, she would be dead.

But - in that moment between her attack on the first girl & the pivot to charge the girl in pink - had he had a taser in his hand rather than the gun, he could easily have hit and immobilized her while she was no threat to the girl in pink.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #52)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 10:24 PM

53. You don't know that the taser was going to immobilize her.

It could have made the situation worse, considering she had a knife in her hand and was apparently traying to stab another girl. If taser failed to work, she could have stabbed another girl-it doesn't take long.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #53)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 10:29 PM

54. I am not confusing luck with skill.

Two bodies were close together, in motion in relation to each other. His shot could easily have hit and killed the girl in pink.

And whether the taser immobilized her or merely interrupted her progress, it would have permitted time for a less lethal intervention.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #54)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 10:36 PM

55. There are lots of stories on taser failures.

In this one, police tasered the guy twice, it didn't work, and he still managed to stab a cop. They had to shoot him in the end, so taser deployment didn't save him.
But I guess lets pretend it was a good option.
https://www.sbsun.com/2020/11/07/knife-wielding-san-bernardino-man-shot-dead-in-rialto-after-allegedly-attacking-officers/

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 10:21 PM

51. THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:11 PM

5. Police apologists will point out the life of a bystander was not being threatened, so the police

weren't "forced to shoot to save a life" in the video shown. Perhaps they're right. Still, I find it more than a bit hypocritical police are justifying shooting one black girl by claiming they were saving the life of another, paricularly when they generally show so little regard for black lives in general.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:14 PM

6. What I find most disturbing is the praise that the officer "saved" the other girl.

It's a dishonest argument. Each person making such an argument is pushing a falsehood, based in their acceptance of police shootings and brilliance that comes from their movie watching expertise, in order to justify the unnecessary killing of a citizen by the state.

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Response to RegularJam (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:18 PM

7. ...

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Response to RegularJam (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:25 PM

8. Well, it's a win/win for them to argue that

She lived, so he "saved" her, if she had died, she'd have been "a thug".

See how that works, it's all about the narrative they decide on.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 06:44 PM

26. This is exactly right

There can be no doubt that had the girl in pink been killed in this incident, she would no longer be considered an innocent victim worthy of having her life saved by a hero cop killing someone on her behalf. Instead she would be blamed for causing her own death by virtue of involving herself in this altercation in the first place.

We would have this week's version of "Adam only has himself to blame for getting shot - he shouldn't have been out running around at 2:00 a.m." ... "It's too bad that Pink Girl got shot, but she should have known that getting into physical altercations with people carrying knives can end very badly."

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Response to RegularJam (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:29 PM

10. It is a "dishonest argument."

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Response to RegularJam (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:38 PM

11. How is that disturbing? It's a fact.

We can't say the girl in pink 100% would have died if she was stabbed, but it's at least a likely outcome, and an outcome that was preventable. If that was my kid dressed in pink watching her life pass before her eyes as she's about to be stabbed / executed, while unarmed and in a poor position to defend herself, I'd be grateful the cop was there and did his job.

From a tactical standpoint, the cop's performance was exceptional. From his perspective, Bryant is an aggressor, and she's already assaulted one victim right in front of him, she has a knife and is in the process of assaulting a second girl. He's too far away to close the distance and physically interfere with the aggressor before she can stab the girl in pink, perhaps several times. And between him and the aggressor, he has the first victim flailing around on the ground, and an adult that's just attempted to kick the first victim in the face and who will be behind him if he closes with Bryant.

So, Bryant already used deadly force on one person, on camera and right in front of his eyes, and is about to do it a second time to another person. It doesn't get any more justified than that.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:13 PM

34. It doesn't matter what you say

Bigots tend to hang on to their prejudices regardless of circumstance.

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Response to RegularJam (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:17 PM

15. Lol wrong

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Response to RegularJam (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 05:27 PM

19. One word:

BULLSHIT!!!!

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #19)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 06:15 PM

23. +1

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Response to RegularJam (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 06:14 PM

22. really? smdh

I cannot believe how little value is being assigned to the other (the one in pink) black girl's life by some in this tragedy. The copper saved her life, literally, yet she is an afterthought in so many posts.

Watch this video and tell me otherwise.


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Response to Celerity (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:20 PM

37. If you have to ignore the truth to keep your narrative alive.

Your narrative is worthless.

There seem to be two main narratives. One is that there are racist cops and BIPOC's are dispositionally effected by bad policing and police violence. Followers of that narrative should have no problem seeing this as a reasonable, if very unfortunate outcome.

Then we have the Defund or Abolish the police narrative. The cop in this case was very well trained and very competent saving the life of at least one girl. This is also a case where alternative methods simply would not have worked. This is a threat too the abolish the police narrative and as a result we have people willfully not believing what has been clear in multiple videos.

A cop that is good at his job and even a hero is a threat to those that would abolish all police. That is why there is so many gymnastics involving this case.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:44 PM

40. +10

A sad reality

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 10:18 PM

49. Well said.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 10:43 PM

59. You're right. It's intellectual dishonesty to

pretend this is the policemanís fault for saving a black womanís life. Which black life mattered more?

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Response to Celerity (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 11:28 PM

62. This one convinces me

I love many of the posters on this thread, but I cannot blame the cop for the girl's death. The entire episode was over in seconds and claiming he could have reacted differently in the first 4-5 seconds are at best Monday morning quarterbacking. Of course if she were my kin I would object and blame. But in truth I would be wrong. I apologize for the feelings of those who think me wrong and understand your feelings are valid as they are your own. I ask if you think so you assume only as a white guy I am mistaken rather than malicious.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 09:47 AM

70. +1

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Response to RegularJam (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 10:42 PM

58. Nonsensical argument is the hypothetical

Shoot her in the foot or clip her hand or whatever. This isnít the 1960ís Lone Ranger matinee

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:43 PM

12. I don't think this is a good example of the point you're trying to make

In this case, the police are willing to assume a risk to themselves from a person with a knife. That's very different from making a citizen they are supposed to protect take that risk.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:15 PM

13. What are the questions?

I still havenít watched the video, but it seems weíre not asking the right questions.

I get people being focussed on the last few seconds, weighing the risk to the girl in pink, but there is nothing but failure in the video

Maybe we will never learn the backstory since she was a minor and privacy concerns. How did it get to the point it did. It shouldnít have. Reforming the police wouldnít help if what really was needed was better social services.

Is the only metric whether the decision to shoot justified given the video? Like I say I didnít watch yet, but heard the cop just arrived on scene and shot soon after. Why was he in the position to make that judgement better than the other cops already on the scene?

Snap decisions to shoot are often wrong. Is making a snap judgement more likely to result in a bad decision where there was not real threat than a good decision. Was it a bad practice that turned out well for the girl in pink?

This police department has a high rate of shootings by police and a disproportionate amount of shootings of people of color. This shouldnít be seen as an exoneration of that.

We should be looking and talking about this as a failure even if it turns out that the cop was justified. The best that someone could say is the last few seconds werenít criminal.

I really havenít seen the video. Hard week and donít want to see yet. Just my two cents.

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Response to Midnightwalk (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 03:59 PM

17. It was a very chaotic scene. The cop really didn't have much time to decide whether the girl

in pink was going to be killed. The cop just reacted and I think I might have done the same. Watch the entire video.

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Response to ratchiweenie (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 05:18 PM

18. That misses my point

The video doesnít really answer the question. Maybe it answers part of the question of whether the shooting was justified.

Is it a good practice for cops to roll up to a scene and shoot based in split second judgements? Tamir Rice would say it isnít if he could. Maybe this cop had a clear enough view and the ability to make that decision. Maybe he just got lucky. It turned out right doesnít mean thatís the best practice. Iíd say that deserves more careful thought and discussion. I think itís a very hard question how to balance.

The columbus police department is notoriously bad for shootings. Do they view this as a win, or another failure. I would hope they would at least not call it a win but not hopeful. The cop who told the crowd blue lives matter seemed to think this was something to cheer about.

How did this get to that point? Thatís the backstory weíre not going to get for a long time if ever. What could have happened so it didnít go so far before the last dozen seconds? I donít like the phrasing of defund the police but this illustrates the point which I do agree with. If the solution was more funding for foster care and child protection then moving money from police to those programs might be better.

My point is we shouldnít focus on the narrow question or the simplistic answer. A 16 year old died and we should be asking what to do to stop that.

Thereís a common fallacy with failures that leads people to say things like ďworking as designedĒ. We analyze the failure in terms of our expectations without challenging those expectations. We have to start expecting and demanding better results.

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Response to Midnightwalk (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 10:38 PM

56. It seems to me both interpretations are correct

This is similar in a way to the blue dress/white dress internet controversy from a few years ago. Our brains appear to be wired and conditioned to experience something objective and only be able to see it from a single perspective.

I have no doubt on what I saw. But I also recognize the level of passion from those who see it from the opposite perspective. This would not be controversial if there was not enough room for both to be true.

This is a sad situation. That we can all agree on.

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Response to Midnightwalk (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 06:33 PM

25. Think Fast

quote --> Why was he in the position to make that judgement better than the other cops already on the scene?

It would be helpful if you watched before asking nonsensical questions like that.



quote --> Is it a good practice for cops to roll up to a scene and shoot based in split second judgements?

It is good to practice rolling up on a scene and making split second judgements.
Cops OFTEN roll up to a scene where they are forced to make a split second judgement.

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Response to DontBelieveEastisEas (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:03 PM

29. Nonsense questions?

Couldnít tell if he was the first cop on scene. Based in video looks like it but that isnít definitive. Definitely a good question even if the answer is simple.

Yes there are many many cases of cops showing up and quickly deciding to shoot. You could ask Tamir Rice but you canít. How often is the decision to shoot the right one?

Iím not presuming to know the answers but the problem is too many police shootings and too many of them of people of color. You miss the point also. If the questions stop with was the killing of a 16 justified by the last 10 seconds of her life we will never address the problem.

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Response to Midnightwalk (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 11:25 PM

61. Good Question

quote -->If the questions stop with was the killing of a 16 justified by the last 10 seconds of her life we will never address the problem.

That is a great point and I do spend too much time on nuances.

The problem is huge and includes racial, economic and authoritarian issues. Many more issues I am sure, some niche.

But that is for another post I guess.
This OP just seemed like trying to get everyone to get off of their talking points, take off there wizzard of oz green glasses or rose glasses or whatever they are filtering their views through, and just acknowledge what is the truth of this one event.
Of course, I'm judging the evidence/truth through my glasses, but that is not the point!

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Response to Midnightwalk (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 08:51 AM

68. Well...

Reforming the police in favor of better social services is what the entire defund campaign is about. Not sure if in this instance it would have helped or not but I have serious issues with having all of our police armed and being asked to perform many roles in emergency situations that are better performed by people with the applicable qualifications. For the money we spend on police we should have a better response to situations that ďshoot em if they are threateningĒ Again I am not saying this situation ends differently. I just donít think filling the streets with armed people that largely do not possess the skills needed to deal with the problems society has is a good approach to solving social issues

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:16 PM

14. You failed to make your point

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 06:17 PM

24. I'm thinking False Equivalency

Did you see how the officer took 2 or maybe 3 stabs?

He didn't deserve to loose, or risk, his life in order to protect this person trying to commit murder.

The laser sight of the taser lets you notice some things.
Did you notice how the laser could have easily hit the arm of the officer?
Did you see how it may have been a glancing blow across the perpetrators arm or knife?

Probably already had the taser drawn before it became this serious and would have preferred a gun at this point.
And that is the main part of the false equivalency.
I'm thinking they didn't think he would make it past the door also.

Still, it was not wise to bring a taser to a knife fight.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 06:47 PM

27. If it was a black cop, and white teenage girl

Wonder if the views would be the same?

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Response to HipChick (Reply #27)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:05 PM

31. You don't really wonder, do you?

Let's not even talk about what the reaction would be if the girl who was shot was white and everyone else on the scene was Black...

Because we know there'd be no claims that killing the white girl was an appropriate way to protect the Black girl in pink - hell, it would be hard to find too many people claiming the Black girl in pink DESERVED protecting.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:12 PM

33. Exactly..

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 09:30 PM

41. biased


Obviously, if some would never think it was appropriate for a white person to kill a black perpetrator in order to protect a girl.

That means their racial bias can prevent them from seeing the truth.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 11:38 PM

63. I am sorry Sir

I think your hypothetical is not proven.

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Response to flotsam (Reply #63)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 11:44 PM

64. I'm not a Sir. I'm a Ma'am

And my hypothetical has been proven over and over and over to an obvious, painful, and shameful extent.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #64)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 12:03 AM

65. We have never interacted

So I apologize for my mistaken pronoun. I believe your sorrow and pain, but to believe I have none or that my pain is invalid would be wrong. I'm trying if not to be helping at very least not hindering where I believe we all are heading. It was seconds and a choice and seems to affected which black girl lived. If he had not fired the likely outcome may have been one died and the other was imprisoned. I've no idea what an optimum outcome would have been. What is your opinion. And please know I value you as a prominent black voice.

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Response to flotsam (Reply #65)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 08:55 AM

69. I mean why are you using pronouns anyway?

Seems completely silly to use pronouns on an anonymous forum. Assuming peoples pronouns is a pretty ridiculous thing to do on message forums.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #31)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 06:05 PM

77. If

this hypothetical white girl were in the process of trying to stab a black girl, and a black officer shot her dead neither I nor almost anyone else on this forum would change their position on the shooting being justified.

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Response to HipChick (Reply #27)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 09:36 PM

42. If it was a white cop saving a white teenage girl by shooting a black girl



Wonder how much more anger there would be by the black community.

It is sad that people can not take the color out of it. Just look at it as humans.
If they did, they would, I believe, see what I see.

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Response to HipChick (Reply #27)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 10:20 PM

50. RIGHT !?!?

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Response to HipChick (Reply #27)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 09:58 AM

71. Yes, I'd happily cheer the hypothetical cop in your hypothetical situation

As the cop wouldíve saved a hypothetical murder victim.

This is fun, do you have another hypothetical what-if scenario?

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 06:59 PM

28. Really? The girl in pink should have defended herself??

Thatís your position?

Epic fail for an OP

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Response to SYFROYH (Reply #28)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:07 PM

32. I have no doubt that if Makhia were white

a whole lot of people would be claiming that the girl in pink was at fault, could have defended herself, and was to blame for the death of the girl with the knife.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #32)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:14 PM

35. I doubt tht.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #35)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:17 PM

36. Then you haven't been paying attention ...

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #36)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:25 PM

38. Of course I have been paying attention This issue is forefront in my world and almost exclusively

for working on at the very least a couple decades.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #38)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:27 PM

39. Given that, it's very odd you'd be skeptical that the shooting of a white girl

under the same circumstances would be treated very differently - and very likely just as in the scenario I presented.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #39)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 09:36 PM

43. I do not believe a white girl with a knife in her hand ...seconds away after looking at

the homeowners camera and the original video about to plunge it into a Black girl's stomach would have been treated any differently nor would the victim been blamed. This is your opinion. It doesn't change the fact that the girl who was killed by the police had a knife in her hand raised to strike the other girl. This is not the hill to die on...no jury will ever convict a cop in these circumstances. It is a sad sad thing but it is not an example of police brutality against Black people as Floyd's terrible death was.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #43)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 07:12 AM

66. You may not believe that

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But the history and even very current events have made it impossible for me to NOT believe it. And I think a person has to be naive, blind, not paying attention or something else to assume that outcome wouldn't be very likely if the situation involved a 16-year-old white girl.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #32)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 09:41 PM

44. rose colored glasses

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I have no doubt that a lot of people that are
saying the policeman was wrong

would say the opposite,
in other words, say Justified if it had been

a black policeman
saving a black girl
from a white woman trying to commit murder.

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Response to DontBelieveEastisEas (Reply #44)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 08:36 AM

67. How many

Of those people were upset when a black officer shot an unarmed white woman at the Capitol?

As I recall most of us said it was justified

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #32)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 10:32 AM

72. Even if we accept that as true

those people would be wrong.

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