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Tue Apr 20, 2021, 05:07 PM

Help me out here: mask effectiveness against Covid

Before you alert because I am peddling right wing talking points, please read!

I need help countering a right wing talking point.

I had three people I work with, all who never wear a mask try and tell me a new report claims masks are not affective. Yes, they are all trump followers.

My response was what right wing site is touting this. No response. I only found one on a quick google search and it definitely right wing.

So, how many here have had right wingers shouting this?

I am only going to stop wearing a mask when Dr Fauci says I can.
They admitted that flue season was far less severe than normal, but still they believe what they want regardless of facts.

Rant off

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Reply Help me out here: mask effectiveness against Covid (Original post)
liberal N proud Apr 2021 OP
dawg day Apr 2021 #1
liberal N proud Apr 2021 #12
SoonerPride Apr 2021 #2
TheFarseer Apr 2021 #7
liberal N proud Apr 2021 #15
liberal N proud Apr 2021 #13
liberal_mama Apr 2021 #3
robbob Apr 2021 #28
PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #4
forgotmylogin Apr 2021 #5
brush Apr 2021 #6
mcar Apr 2021 #8
Tink41 Apr 2021 #9
lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #10
Tink41 Apr 2021 #11
ProfessorGAC Apr 2021 #16
lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #25
ProfessorGAC Apr 2021 #26
scarytomcat Apr 2021 #14
liberal N proud Apr 2021 #19
scarytomcat Apr 2021 #20
maxsolomon Apr 2021 #17
liberal N proud Apr 2021 #18
maxsolomon Apr 2021 #22
liberal N proud Apr 2021 #23
struggle4progress Apr 2021 #21
liberal N proud Apr 2021 #24
Mariana Apr 2021 #27
robbob Apr 2021 #29

Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 05:11 PM

1. I hope your workplace requires masks-

There is no such report-- nothing legit, anyway.

The only way to deal with these people is to say, "Fine. Stay out of my way then. I don't want you to make me sick."

(That can be taken two ways.)

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Response to dawg day (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 06:28 PM

12. They refuse to wear masks

All but the two Mexican immigrants. They and I are the only ones wearing masks

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 05:13 PM

2. The CDC says masks are effective. That's the only source you need.

Mar 8, 2021 -- As more states drop COVID-19 restrictions, the CDC issued a report Friday saying coronavirus case counts went down when states mandated face masks and that coronavirus-related deaths went up in places when indoor dining resumed.

CDC Director Rochelle P. Walensky, MD, said that’s a good reason for states to stay vigilant with safety measures, especially during this period when national coronavirus statistics are leveling off but new variants are appearing.

“You have decreases in cases and deaths when you wear masks, and you have increases in cases and deaths when you have in-person restaurant dining,” Walensky said at a Friday news briefing. “We would advocate for policies, certainly while we’re at this plateau of a high number of cases, that would listen to that public health science.”

The CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report said mask mandates adopted last year were linked to almost a 2% drop in new COVID cases within 100 days of adoption


https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210308/cdc-issues-new-report-on-face-mask-effectiveness

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 05:55 PM

7. No just think about it

You can smell a fart through a mask so that’s proof it doesn’t work. Qanon logic

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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 06:30 PM

15. LOL

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 06:28 PM

13. Agreed

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 05:14 PM

3. Is this that "study" that was allegedly done by Stanford scientists?

It's been debunked. It's not peer-reviewed, it's just a hypothesis written by someone who has a very distant association with Stanford.

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Response to liberal_mama (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 21, 2021, 07:35 PM

28. My niece sent me that...

Penned by Baruch Vainshelboim? It was in an Instagram post accompanied by the user rant claiming it was a peer reviewed Stanford study and demanding to know “why is this not headline news across the globe???”.

So I wasted an hour researching the veracity of this “research paper” and found out no, it isn’t out of Stanford, it isn’t “peer reviewed”, and it’s full of speculative theories, like how masks reduce oxygen flow to the brain (not true), accompanied by fear mongering descriptions of what happens to people getting insufficient oxygen to the brain. Which again, wearing a mask will NOT do.

This “study” was posted on a site called “Medical Hypotheses”, which is a forum for people to postulate and put out theories they have on various scientific topics, with the only criteria being they have coherent and clearly expressed ideas.

I found a great rebuttal to this article here:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-629043235973

Feel free to share with anyone claiming this is a new discovery. It isn’t. It’s speculation, and based on half truths at that.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 05:17 PM

4. They are better than not wearing masks, assuming wearing the mask doesn't cause you...

to engage in any activity you wouldn't have done anyway if you weren't wearing the mask.

> They admitted that flue season was far less severe than normal

Well yeah people were not engaging in anywhere near the number of group activities they were in 'normal' years so that isn't surprising.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 05:22 PM

5. There are plenty of accounts that people didn't get their usual "seasonal colds"

they were accustomed to due to mask wearing.

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Response to forgotmylogin (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 05:36 PM

6. Just that should tell the wing nuts that masks stop the common cold, also speard by...

an airborne virus.

Lack of critical thinking skills there. They are vulnerable to trump think. Too bad for them.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 05:59 PM

8. Tell them if they don't show you the proof, they are not being truthful

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 06:15 PM

9. Not only right wing talking points but

right wing spelling as well. Flu, effective.
There aren't any "new" reports coming out about the masks cause it's been beat to death. The masks are to protect those around you. In Japan they wear masks anytime they have a sniffle, cough, stuffy nose. They are respectful of others.
That is all anyone needs to know. Protect those around you.

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Response to Tink41 (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 06:19 PM

10. The only major update was when CDC finally admitted that masks also help protect the wearer.

It was idiotic not to come out and say this in the first place, knowing how evil and selfish 40% of Americans are.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 06:26 PM

11. Yeah I guess

If you need that added to your reasons. It's been a year, this is old. Getting old, not like these people just returned from Mars being gone a year. If you don't get it by now....
Had an encounter this morning in a grocery store. I'm just on edge today, had it with the idiots. Mask down over the nose chit chatting with all the associates. Asking what happened to some workers that were there for 20+ yrs. I'm thinking "probably died after exposure to idiots like you."

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 06:34 PM

16. That Report Showed That Masks....

...protect the wearer dramatically!
I think one of the big PR mistakes re: masks was to push the notion that we were doing for others.
If that PR had been protect yourself AND others even the idiot King's intransigence might not have been as damaging.
There were studies as far back as midsummer 2020 showing this result. Why CDC ignored that for so long is frustrating.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 21, 2021, 06:49 PM

25. I think CDC was pressured to hide the self-protection truth.

If people had understood it, the genocide would have been far less effective. Uncle Vlad only pays for results.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 21, 2021, 07:02 PM

26. Sadly, I Can See That Happening

Especially given who was running CDC at the time.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 06:28 PM

14. I have masks, handmade, that are 5 layers and the one in the middle is a moisure

barrier. I think I will continue wearing them forever.

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Response to scarytomcat (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 07:11 PM

19. I use a homemade mask as well as disposable

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 07:52 PM

20. mine are cotton and washable

I mostly only go to grocery stores

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 06:40 PM

17. I'm sorry you have to deal with that horseshit.

You need HR to back you up, or you need a new job.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 07:09 PM

18. I work in a small cabinet mfg

There is no HR.
I was called into my bosses office because I demanded anyone aproaching my desk needed a mask.

The owner had Covid and now thinks he is superman.

I would quit, but here in the south, you would get the same thing elsewhere

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #18)

Wed Apr 21, 2021, 12:19 AM

22. Sorry to hear that.

Get your jab, wear your N95. You'll probably be OK.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 21, 2021, 07:55 AM

23. Second shot was on Monday

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 08:03 PM

21. Slow-mo





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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 21, 2021, 07:56 AM

24. Yep!

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Wed Apr 21, 2021, 07:11 PM

27. If they make a claim, it's on them to provide the evidence.

Their assertion is that there is "a new report". OK. Have they read it? What is the title? Who wrote it? Where is it published? Etc.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #27)

Wed Apr 21, 2021, 07:42 PM

29. See my post, above.

It’s circulating on social media, and it’s complete bunk. And a good rebuttal, here:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-629043235973

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