Did Mother's Boy have a heart attack?

[malaise]

Asking for a friend

[Kid Berwyn]

1. He has been under a lot of pressure.

[malaise]

3. All the articles say he received a pace maker - why do none say he had a heart attack

Pacemakers are implanted to help control your heartbeat. They can be implanted temporarily to treat a slow heartbeat after a heart attack, surgery or medication overdose. Or they can be implanted permanently to correct a slow or irregular heartbeat or, in some people, to help treat heart failure.


https://www.google.com/search?q=mikepence+pacemaker&oq=mikepence+pacemaker&aqs=chrome..69i57.11682j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[Kid Berwyn]

5. Pence previously reported an "asymptomatic" cardiac issue.

“When he was nominated as Donald Trump's running mate in the 2016 presidential election, the former Indiana governor disclosed his medical history, including a diagnosis of asymptomatic left bundle branch block, a condition that can be a sign of an underlying heart condition.”

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/former-us-vice-president-pence-received-heart-pacemaker-full-recovery-expected-2021-04-15/

As you know, a Pacemaker helps regulate the heart’s electrical impulses that trigger its beating. With LBBB, Pence’s may need it to keep on ticking.

https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/26/21/2222/443326

[malaise]

6. So he has a history of heart issues

He will never be president

[Kid Berwyn]

7. Even were he in tip-top health, no.

Look what stands in his way:



Rupert Murdoch approved.

[Pobeka]

13. I thought that was top priority for a GOP candidate -- a malfunctioning heart?

[malaise]

14. No

Being heartless is their problem -

[Pobeka]

15. .

[AllaN01Bear]

28. i have afib or arterial fibulation. i also get skips . i asked about a pacemaker

, and my cardiologists said very matter of factly " not for you" the ones with a onboard defibulater feel like you have been kicked like a mule when they go off" direct words . am on a dozen pills for rate and other issues . have a grand day and i love your posts .

[malaise]

32. Take care of youself

and thanks

[IL Dem]

52. You don't have to have a heart attack to need a pacemaker.

My grandson was born with a malfunctioning atrioventricular (AV) node and needs a pacemaker to stimulate his heartbeat. It's basically electrical conductivity that stimulates the heart.

[malaise]

53. Thanks

Hope he's doing well now

[IL Dem]

54. The pacemaker quit working last month and he had to have it replaced on an emergency basis.

His heart was beating at less than 20 per minute. It was a scare. He is now 31 years old. Has had the pacemaker from his mid-teens, but the pacing issue was known since he was 4 or 5 years old.

[malaise]

55. Wow!

It sure has worked for him. How long do pacemakers last?

[IL Dem]

56. Generally around 10 years.

He had had it replaced as routine care in 2016. So this one was apparently defective.

[malaise]

57. Looks that way

Hope the new one works better

[Comfortably_Numb]

2. The physical toll of living your life with your lips on drumph's fat ass for years...

[malaise]

4. Why are media so afraid to say eh had a heart attack?

Trump sent his folks to frighten him to death with that chant :"Hang Mike Pene"

[Ms. Toad]

34. Not all pacemakers are inserted because of a heart attack.

I have a friend who has one. She's never had a great attack.

So they may simply be reporting the truth.

[malaise]

37. Thanks

[msfiddlestix]

8. Could have had symptoms/conditions signaling the need to have one

Just last week, one of my neighbors who went to hospital for a serious kidney/urinary infection, came home with a pacemaker.

I forget where along the process, but at some point before or after procedures dealing with her infection, she had experienced what she described as sort of passing out. Fortunately her nurse and son were present while this was happening, and they were able to attend to her before anything worse occurred. It turns out her heart just stopped pumping out of the blue.

I guess that would be considered as "heart failure", but is it the same as a heart attack?

[malaise]

9. Thanks

[msfiddlestix]

12. I have no medical education or experience...

After listening to the Chauvin Murder trial, I did find myself surprised to learn there are a myriad of reasons for the heart to stop pumping leading to failure. Not necessarily a "sudden heart attack".

But maybe it's splitting hairs. ???

[Claire Oh Nette]

36. Heart Attack vs Cardiac arrest

Cardiac arrest is exactly that. The heart stops. A variety of things can cause this.

Heart Failure , or Congestive Heart Failure is a dx for long term damage caused by a backing up in the system and failure to pump blood efficiently over a long period of time. One does not have a sudden onset of CHF, and it can't be caused by a single event.

A heart attack is not a medical term. Heart Attack = myocardial infarction--an interruption in blood flow to the heart muscle itself, usually because of a blockage--narrowing, or a clot. Rare instances are caused by spontaneous tears in one of the three main coronary arteries. A heart attack can cause cardiac arrest, but won't always.

All heart attacks are Sudden. One minute you're heart is pumping along, and then a blockage happens.

Some cardiac arrhythmia (V-fib) can lead to "sudden acute cardiac death" in some patients. I have an ICD/pacemaker because I am at risk for v-tach/v-fib. My arrhythmia is a result of my first heart attack, and the second heart attack created an electrical short between the A-V node and the ventricular node, causing runs of BPM over 170.

The defense threw a lot of cardiac vocabulary at the jury, and seemed to deliberately muddy things up. Nelson said Floyd died from arrhythmia caused by hardening of the arteries and high blood pressure, in doctor-speak. Uh, that's simply not how a myo cardial infarc works.

Floyd's heart stopped due to lack of oxygen--end of discussion.

[msfiddlestix]

43. Exactly

The defense threw a lot of cardiac vocabulary at the jury, and seemed to deliberately muddy things up. Nelson said Floyd died from arrhythmia caused by hardening of the arteries and high blood pressure, in doctor-speak. Uh, that's simply not how a myo cardial infarc works.

Floyd's heart stopped due to lack of oxygen--end of discussion.

I had bpm over 174 a few years back, had no idea, nor did I feel anything. Incidentally discovered as I went to see my doctor about an enlarged mole. every visit, with weight and bpm readings.... every one went into a high freak out mode.

I had no idea of what a normal bpm should be. Hypertension. seems like everyone I know has hypertension.

Thanks for the detailed info, and distinctions... although I have to say, your descriptor should be bookmarked and used as a reference.

[Claire Oh Nette]

44. Weirdly esoteric knowledge....

Normal BPM for an adult is ~60-80.

If you have a heart attack at 24, you have lots of time to learn about your disease. If you have an extremely rare heart attack, so rare the CDC interviews you, you pay attention to what you missed in biology class.

I went to the ER with a BPM of 255 when I had the second MI. Took three inversions to reset to normal sinus rhythm. In January this year, my ICD went off in the parking lot of my cardiologist's office six times in seven minutes by mistake, but I was over 171. I listened intently to the testimony about Floyd's underlying heart problems--everyone over 35 has hypertension, and artery blockages in men his age are not uncommon. It wasn't the heart disease that caused Floyd's death. NOpe.

I still say if you are going to have heart disease, you should have it when you are young and healthy.

[msfiddlestix]

51. 255!!!!!! Holy Cow! And you live to tell about it.

[Deminpenn]

11. No

nt

[AngryOldDem]

26. Sounds like arrythmia.

[Ilsa]

27. Sounds like your neighbor experienced heart block.

Yes, good thing they were there.

[Deminpenn]

10. Guessing a-fib

That's sometimes treated with a pace-maker.

[librechik]

16. if true, fib is soooo appropriate for that little mouse nt

[Ilsa]

29. Or "heart block" related to other events.

Maybe he had a procedure recently, or a change in meds.

Pence is a real piece of work. With only a little bit of exposure to him, you might think of him as being a decent person and Christian. But it was clear from his debate with VP Harris that he's an asshole and a half.

[Claire Oh Nette]

41. A-Fib

Arial fibrillation is a very fast beat. The report said Pence was treated for a slow heart beat. That's not A-fib. A-fib is generally treated with medication, or cardiac inversion to restart the heart in rhythm, followed my meds. Slow heart rate would account for Pence's general and mental lethargy.

If he's brady-cardic, his heart doesn't beat fast enough to pump blood through. The reports said pacemaker, not ICD. ICD is to shock a fast heart rate back into rhythm. If it's a two lead ICD, he's got a pacing function and shock function. You don't want the Defibrillator to go off. ICD shock = tase, from the inside.

[jcgoldie]

17. Very stressful when a few ten thousand of your biggest fans come to lynch you I suppose...

[malaise]

20. Yah think?

He should send the bill to the Insurrectionist in Chief

[nuxvomica]

18. My mother never had a heart attack but needed a pacemaker

She was feeling dizzy one day and went to the doctor, coincidentally the same time I was arriving for my annual checkup with the same doctor so he had me drive her to the hospital. Probably not so coincidentally, she was at the same age her father died peacefully in his sleep. The following Christmas, we got her a portable Nintendo device because she loved playing games. But every time she played, she got dizzy. Turns out the wifi was enabled on the device and if she held it close enough, it messed with her pacemaker. Disabling the wifi allowed her to use it without problems.

[Ms. Toad]

35. Same symptoms with a friend who more sports a pacemaker.

No heart attack.

[gratuitous]

19. How did that get paid for?

This is a guy who's been living in government housing for four years, currently unemployed, and now he's getting a pacemaker? Who's paying for that? The American taxpayer, I bet. Does that make Pence a welfare queen? A mooch? Where are Fox and the Republicans on this? Usually they're ready with a never-ending supply of outrage and uninformed criticism to level at anything that even hints at waste, fraud, and abuse.

[malaise]

21. He is a genuine freeloader

Of course tax payers paid for it. By the way he lived off his state's taxpayers for years since he sold the family home after he became governor.

[Kingofalldems]

22. Pencercize?:

[malaise]

23. LOL

[VGNonly]

24. LBBB

left bundle branch block usually means a slow/sluggish heart rate in the hearts electrical rhythm. The more serious AV block is when the heart stops beating for a short time. Sometimes CPAP machines can regulate both conditions, pacemakers are fairly common and don't necessarily indicate heart attacks.

[malaise]

25. Thanks

[Ilsa]

31. LBBB or heart block, I guess? nt

[Ilsa]

30. He got a pacemaker to have regular bowel movements.

No heart in Pence, just another asshole.

[malaise]

33. LOL

[Elwood P Dowd]

40. So he got a poopmaker, not a pacemaker. (nt)

[shanti]

38. Well...

My grandfather had a pacemaker put in, but eventually died from a heart attack. He was still holding his lit cigarette when he was found. Maybe a pacemaker is a precursor to a heart attack?

[malaise]

39. Thanks n/t

[Claire Oh Nette]

42. Separate things.

A heart attack does not necessarily lead to a pace maker, and a pace maker does not necessarily mean heart attack.

ICD/pacemakers are for electrical conduction problems in the heart. An MI can lead to electrical problems, but MI or Heart attack is damage to the heart muscle from oxygen starvation (blockage). You can have a quadruple bypass without ever having a heart attack.

Pacemakers deal with rhythm. Plenty of people walk around with non life threatening arrhythmias every day. Some are treated with meds, others absolutely require intervention.

It wasn't until after my second heart attack that I had the pacemaker/ICD installed.

[greatauntoftriplets]

45. My mother was given one to prevent heart attacks.

Her heart was missing beats, and the cardiologist thought it would resolve that. It worked fine until she had a heart attack shortly before her 94th birthday.

[malaise]

47. Wow!

She sure had a nice long life
I have a very good friend who insists that we all die from heart attacks - since it stops beating. He's no medic.

[malaise]

48. Wow!

She sure had a nice long life
I have a very good friend who insists that we all die from heart attacks - since it stops beating. He's no medic.

[greatauntoftriplets]

50. She certainly did.

And she was completely with it until the end.

I totally agree with your friend. When the heart stops beating, and for whatever reason, that's it.

[lindysalsagal]

46. Only living heart donor?

I thought that was Cheney?!?

[Initech]

49. Well half the republican party did threaten to murder him if he didn't vote their way...

So...