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Thu Apr 15, 2021, 11:16 AM

Looking for thoughtful responses re Chauvin trial: How do you think it is going?

I think the state has done a good job. I think the defense is doing the best they can with very little with which to work.

Chauvin taking the fifth, I think, is seen widely as indicative of guilt even though, legally, it should not.

There's no telling what a jury will do and people are paid great sums to help predict where any single jury will go. With that, I am leaning to conviction of the more serious charges and serious jail time. In part, this is because things are changing and because the video of Chauvin doing what he did is so powerful all on its own.

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Reply Looking for thoughtful responses re Chauvin trial: How do you think it is going? (Original post)
Stinky The Clown Apr 15 OP
Siwsan Apr 15 #1
Nevilledog Apr 15 #3
Siwsan Apr 15 #4
bdamomma Apr 15 #6
RobinA Apr 15 #19
hlthe2b Apr 15 #2
iemanja Apr 15 #5
empedocles Apr 15 #7
Jim__ Apr 15 #8
Johnny2X2X Apr 15 #12
sarisataka Apr 15 #9
Stuart G Apr 15 #11
Demsrule86 Apr 15 #10
Toorich Apr 15 #13
Stinky The Clown Apr 15 #14
stillcool Apr 15 #15
Crunchy Frog Apr 15 #18
msfiddlestix Apr 15 #16
Hoyt Apr 15 #17

Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Thu Apr 15, 2021, 11:26 AM

1. Kind of sounds like the defense is asking for a mistrial

Something about the prosecution coming close to bringing in some lab results that the judge said can not be admitted.

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Response to Siwsan (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 15, 2021, 11:33 AM

3. Prosecution screwed up not giving defense specific lab results on carbon monoxide levels.

Prosecution wanted to admit the results in rebuttal case, judge said he can't refer to the lab results.

I think this issue is a total red being by defense. Doesn't matter if carbon monoxide was a contributing factor because Chauvin is the one who put Floyd in the position to breathe exhaust fumes.

Plus, if the fumes were so bad Chauvin would have been hearing them in also.

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Response to Nevilledog (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 15, 2021, 11:36 AM

4. Thanks - I've just been tuning in on a sporadic basis, this morning

I'll have to tune right in to catch up.

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Response to Nevilledog (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 15, 2021, 11:39 AM

6. the Defense team

is really reaching to let him off or mistrial. We all saw Chauvin kill a human being.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 15, 2021, 08:36 PM

19. Those Two Things

are not related.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Thu Apr 15, 2021, 11:33 AM

2. I think drawn out deliberations (beyond a couple of days) is likely bad for prosecution.

That said, I think the evidence is overwhelming and well presented. I think Chauven is very unlikeable--even without testifying Pleading the fifth will only confirm the impression among those already predisposed to convict. But their feelings and opinion of the case from the evidence may well be strong enough to convince any reluctant to convict.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Thu Apr 15, 2021, 11:37 AM

5. I cautiously predict conviction

Largely because the testimony of all those cops was devastating.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Thu Apr 15, 2021, 11:39 AM

7. How is the jury looking. Do they look strong enough to wear down

a trumper that may have slipped in?

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Thu Apr 15, 2021, 11:41 AM

8. I think jurors who began the trial with an open mind about the case will vote to convict.

The problem is that many people will not accept that a policeman answering a call can commit a crime. I see the charges being against a policeman as the wildcard in this.

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Response to Jim__ (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 15, 2021, 12:02 PM

12. I think jury selection for something this public is a farce

Everyone had seen the video, the video shows clear as day a murder occurring. So you have seated jurors that only got seated because they can see a clear murder on their screen and say they aren't sure about it.

That being said, this is an easy case and the prosecution made a great case.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Thu Apr 15, 2021, 11:48 AM

9. I think the prosecution has a stronger case

And will get a conviction.

I don't think the jury will buy the sudden-but-totally-unrelated-heart-stoppage defense. That is enough for a manslaughter conviction.

2nd degree murder requires the jury to believe there was an intent to kill. I am not nearly as confident the entire jury will see it that way, so it would be a mild surprise if they convict on that charge.

The 3rd degree being reinstated gives the jury another opportunity. They can consider that Chauvin was trying to intentionally injure Mr Floyd and death resulted, though not intended. I see this as much easier to convince the jury and expect they will vote guilty.

Whatever guilty verdict(s) ate handed down there will undoubtedly be an appeal.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 15, 2021, 11:53 AM

11. You got it..."manslaughter conviction"...or 3rd degree"

After appeals, Chauvin will spend lots of time in jail..

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Thu Apr 15, 2021, 11:53 AM

10. I think it is going pretty well. I believe they have proven Chauvin guilty beyond a reasonable

doubt. However, it only takes on voter who refuses to accept the evidence for any reason. This would be jury nullification and cause a mistrial. So we shall see.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Thu Apr 15, 2021, 12:11 PM

13. Guilty until proven Innocent?

1) Every guilty sumbitch that Project Innocence has helped free had tons of evidence that convicted them.
2) Every guilty sumbitch deserves the absolutely best defense that he can get.
3) We are Americans who believe in the " Code of the West " - Give 'em a fair trial, then hang 'em!
4) A jury, if properly selected, will usually arrive a justice.
5) When Aaron Burr was tried for treason ( conviction requires confession in open court or 2 witnesses
to an overt act) he wouldn't confess and the government could only find one witness to any act.
Justice Marshall asked the prosecutor, " Is that all you have ?" When told yes, Marshall gave the case
to the jury. They came back with a verdict that read- " Not Guilty - based on the evidence we were
allowed to consider."
6) If every guilty sumbitch doesn't get a fair trial with the best Defense possible, then none of us will.

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Response to Toorich (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 15, 2021, 12:18 PM

14. I have no clue whatsoever what your point is.

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Response to Toorich (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 15, 2021, 12:49 PM

15. that's so quaint...but

Project Innocence helps the wrongly convicted Innocent.
The police unions, the prosecutors, the judges, and the juries help free guilty cops who kill in broad daylight on camera.
https://innocenceproject.org/

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Response to Toorich (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 15, 2021, 06:56 PM

18. Chauvin is a cold blooded murderer, and so is George Zimmerman.

Our justice system frequently fails, especially for black people.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Thu Apr 15, 2021, 01:05 PM

16. As merely a lay person observing, it feels, looks and sounds like Prosecution is doing an Excellent

Job, and I really look forward to their closing statements.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Thu Apr 15, 2021, 01:06 PM

17. Even if Floyd needed restraint, Chauvin spent roughly 9 minutes too long crushing his neck.

No chance Chauvin is acquitted. Small chance some rube hangs jury.

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