Amazon early vote tally shows workers poised to overwhelmingly reject union by 2 to 1 so far

[JohnSJ]

I won’t be surprised if this goes down, mostly because of the Alabama politics, and the R/W propaganda they are immersed in

A similar thing occurred in Mississippi a few years back with Nissan

The unions unfortunately set themselves up for this by their members support of Reagan, and that opened the door for the Republican war against unions

[orleans]

1. ugh nt

[OAITW r.2.0]

2. Then, accept your reality.

[joetheman]

11. Brainwashed MAGAs mostly. They don't mind hurting themselves as long as it hurts others more. nt

[OAITW r.2.0]

12. Sad....lets see how this works with the less than average intelligence.

[brush]

3. Should've been tried in another state, a blue one preferrably.

[orangecrush]

4. Word

[Newest Reality]

5. People...

People voting against their own best interests is an American tradition.

Gullibility is often exploited and Republicans are great at manipulative rhetoric, (which is all they really do).

[PortTack]

6. Yup! It's just so sad. So immersed in their own defeatism they can't see it and believe they

Simply can’t make their life better.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

16. People vote for their best interests. You just have to know what those interests are.

[walkingman]

17. Never thought of it that way. As a retired former union person (27 years) who retired mgmt, I could

tell them some stories that might change their mind. You really are simply a number on a spreadsheet.

[edhopper]

22. No

they are brainwashed into thinking things that will hurt them are in their best interest, like cutting taxes on the Rich. And that things like gun background checks and opposing gay rights are more important than Healthcare and a living wage for them.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

24. *You* believe that healthcare should be more important to someone. If a person decides that opposing

gay rights is more important to them than healthcare and they vote accordingly, assuming that's not an autonomous choice will get you nowhere.

[edhopper]

25. I think I can objectively show

why Healthcare is more important than opposing a gay couple buying a cake.
I think I can also objectively show how they are brainwashed from the Right Wing media and the GOP.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

26. I'm sure you could.

But objectivity isn't the only measure by which people make decisions or have preferences.

[edhopper]

28. So they are

objectively not voting in their best interest. Just brainwashed into thinking they are.
We must fight the brainwashing, not concede to it and try to get these people to vote for things we need by allowing these destructive ideas to keep hold.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

29. The effort that approach takes and the low payoff makes it a nonstarter for me.

"Proving" someone is "objectively" wrong to your standards and telling them they've been brainwashed does little to address the fact that they are still voting in their own interests.

[edhopper]

30. I am not saying

to tell them they are brainwashed. I am saying use a strategy that accounts for them being brainwashed and try to counter it. Convince them they are not voting their interest. Which is objectively true.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

31. Convincing someone their vote is a negative is a shit voting strategy, because then they just won't

vote. The better strategy is to show how the desired outcome *is also* in their interest. There's a difference, and it's vital.

[edhopper]

32. You keep thinking I am saying to tell them they are brainwashed

I clearly am not. I am saying use a strategy that takes into account they are brainwashed and try to counter that, while showing them how what we offer is actually in their best interest.

No Republican supported the COVID relief act. But 57% of Republican voters did. So they clearly did not see Republicans in Congress supporting their best interest. We need to show them that is true of almost everything the GOP wants to do.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

34. If you think that your assumption that they're "brainwashed" won't come through in your message,

you're wrong. It's best to just not operate under that assumption.

[edhopper]

35. But they are brainwashed

not taking that into account will result in failure.

[magicarpet]

7. We don't need no damn union.

We don't need no damn Covid mask.

Take you damn socialism and skedaddle. We used to plantation livin' that's part of our Confederate heritage, we proud of it.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

15. Definitely the way to build solidarity there. Really well done.

[MerryBlooms]

20. You and the other poster were correct, I was out of line and deleted.

Disappointed in myself for taking out my frustration with something unrelated... Thanks to you both for calling me out on my idiocy. Just a bad day, but that was no excuse.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

21. Hey, thanks for reconsidering. We're all a work in progress. I hope things are going better today.

[Elessar Zappa]

18. "Gutter rats"?

Really?

[VarryOn]

9. If you're an ambitious, better-than-average employee...

Who will excel on your own merit, a union won't help. And most people see themselves "above average" and, therefore, don't need to be lumped in with the masses.

In a lot of cases, that's a true argument. In the case of Amazon, you're just meat for the grinder. You need a union. That Bezos dude doesn't care about the individual. He's one of the worst.

[Worried2020]

10. Link . . .

Amazon early vote tally shows workers poised to overwhelmingly reject union



https://buzzwind.com/amazon-early-vote-tally-shows-workers-poised-to-overwhelmingly-reject-union/

/snip/

Final outcomes will not be licensed by the NLRB till one week after the tally, on the earliest.

As of Thursday night, workers at an Alabama Amazon warehouse appeared poised to reject the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union. With practically half of ballots counted by the National Labor Relations Board as of 4 p.m. PT, votes in opposition to the union outnumbered votes in favor by a margin of greater than two to one, with 1,100 votes in opposition to the union and 463 votes in favor. The tally is in recess till 4:30 a.m. PT Friday, with outcomes anticipated later that day.

/snip/

Amazon fought intensely in opposition to the union drive, reportedly hiring an anti-union consultant at a charge of $3,200 a day and requiring staff to attend trainings that argued in opposition to unions. The firm argued it already treats its workers effectively, with a beginning wage that is practically double the area’s minimal wage, in addition to well being, retirement and tuition advantages. A closely unionized workforce may drive up Amazon’s prices and probably have a say in using robotics and automation in Amazon’s warehouses.

Even if Amazon is the clear winner, the union may object to the election on the idea of an unfair labor follow or electioneering that improperly swayed the end result. In this situation, RWDSU would have one week to object to the election. If the labor board guidelines in RWDSU’s favor, the company may order a re-do of the election.
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One warehouse in Alabama, - oh well -

it's a start

W

[LudwigPastorius]

13. Might as well be chickens voting for Colonel Sanders...

[walkingman]

14. There is a reason that manufacturers open their facilities in the South.

Right-to-work states are mostly all "Conservative" states - nuff said.

[JohnSJ]

19. That is true

[former9thward]

23. That is a bit of a generalization.

The Amazon workforce at the Alabama facility is 85% Black and majority female. So its really not "nuff said".

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56695667

[walkingman]

36. I don't think the Alabama demographics are the primary issue when it comes

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to acceptance of unions. I think the fact that most workers in Alabama and the entire South have little exposure to others or family members that belong or have belonged to unions. There is a distrust of someone coming in, taking your money each payday, and making promises about what they will or can do for you. The "right-to-work" environment in Southern States have conditioned workers in those areas to be more skeptical that any organization can effectively deal with labor issues on their behalf.
Since especially the 1980's there has been a concerted effort across ALL OF AMERICA to distrust and dismiss unions.

The fact remains that workers have higher pay, better benefits, and longer tenure when they are organized.

Just my opinion - as I was a Union member for 26 years, managed a union work force for 6 years and as a Regional Manager dealt with 7 Local Presidents in various parts of the country. The South, even when organized, is vastly different than those in the former rust-belt and even the West in their attitudes. A lot of union members in the South are non-participatory just pay their dues - sometimes begrudgingly.

[Hotler]

27. Republican Amazon workers vote down union just to own their

liberal coworkers. We sure showed them. Where's my jug, I gotta pee. And I have to clock in and out on a 1/2 hour lunch. I get 90 seconds to crap or I get docked an hour....... But we sure fuck over some libs.

[edhopper]

33. Clearly they were convinced

that Unionization would cost them their jobs. A lie, but one that works.