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Senator Sanders on Twitter this morning: (Original Post) George II Apr 2021 OP
Anyone who's ever played monopoly know how this ends. Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #1
Where is he getting that information? Is it reliable and documented? NurseJackie Apr 2021 #2
Try this Dem4Life1102 Apr 2021 #3
Staggering increase of wealth concentration in just one year. Celerity Apr 2021 #5
There were never 76 million Americans unemployed. George II Apr 2021 #7
Lulz Dem4Life1102 Apr 2021 #8
Oh mel.... George II Apr 2021 #9
Lulz Dem4Life1102 Apr 2021 #10
So why don't you address the substance of my post instead of following me around? This is.... George II Apr 2021 #11
Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #12
Why are you stalking me? This is the SEVENTH time today in which you've done so. George II Apr 2021 #13
Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #14
That's eight now. George II Apr 2021 #15
Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #16
Nine. George II Apr 2021 #17
wtf JI7 Apr 2021 #22
Dem4Life1102...Geez bucky, why are you doing this? irisblue Apr 2021 #18
Good question.. Cha Apr 2021 #64
Things are not always as they seem. NurseJackie Apr 2021 #66
Sanders didn't claim there were 76 million Americans unemployed at a specific time fishwax Apr 2021 #19
76 million people is almost 25% of the entire population, including children and retired Americans.. George II Apr 2021 #21
Bernie is talking about unemployment claims wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #23
Edit: Responded to my own post, see post #21. George II Apr 2021 #20
Where did the 76 million number come from? LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #25
I haven't a clue. George II Apr 2021 #26
I've been advised he...."conflated it with unemployment claims" Skittles Apr 2021 #58
At the height of the pandemic with respect to unemployment there were 23.08 million unemployed: George II Apr 2021 #4
Tell them Bernie malaise Apr 2021 #6
Odd that some people here want to attack Sanders for being reliably progressive jcgoldie Apr 2021 #24
78 Million? Me. Apr 2021 #27
76 million unemployment claims during the pandemic jcgoldie Apr 2021 #29
THat Number Comes Nowhere Close to Being A Fact Me. Apr 2021 #31
why does he need to lie about such an easily verifiable fact? Skittles Apr 2021 #33
Can't Say Me. Apr 2021 #35
except thats not what happened. jcgoldie Apr 2021 #37
so I am assuming....you KNOW "what happened"? Skittles Apr 2021 #38
The entire workforce of the United States is about 120 million people. 76 million is exactly.... George II Apr 2021 #40
You are being willingly obtuse due to the messenger... jcgoldie Apr 2021 #43
Read the tweet, please: George II Apr 2021 #50
Its been posted throughout this thread jcgoldie Apr 2021 #51
He didn't say "unemployment claims", he said explicitly "....LOST THEIR JOBS". George II Apr 2021 #53
and what statistic would you use to measure job loss? jcgoldie Apr 2021 #54
Simply asked, how many people lost their jobs, two thirds of the workforce? From your link.... George II Apr 2021 #55
So your own reference jcgoldie Apr 2021 #36
two thirds of the workforce did not lose their jobs Skittles Apr 2021 #39
He took the numbers from this site wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #41
THe Assumption Here Seems To Be Jobs Were Always Lost But None Gained Me. Apr 2021 #52
The claim that 76 million jobs lost still appears to be accurate wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #62
Seems We Are Still Living In A World Of Alternate Facts Me. Apr 2021 #70
where does he get 76 million from? Skittles Apr 2021 #28
It's about 2/3 of the US workforce of about 120 million. George II Apr 2021 #30
PLease See #31 Me. Apr 2021 #32
Yes, that's it. It was never more than about 22 million (some figures have it at about 23 million).. George II Apr 2021 #34
Workforce is roughly 161 million, not 120. Lancero Apr 2021 #67
The United States Department of Labor wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #42
charge up the calculator jcgoldie Apr 2021 #44
Data's right there wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #46
that was a Jen Psaki joke.. jcgoldie Apr 2021 #49
Sorry, hard to sniff out sarcasm and their direction these days wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #59
two thirds of the American workforce did not lose their jobs Skittles Apr 2021 #45
Sanders conflated total unemployment claims wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #47
well that is NOT what he says Skittles Apr 2021 #48
Then he should say 76 million jobs lost wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #57
I'm thinking of a one trick pony Skittles Apr 2021 #60
I'm thinking a circular firing squad wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #61
not even close Skittles Apr 2021 #63
I'm thinking people are disagreeing Cha Apr 2021 #65
"76 million Americans have lost their jobs" is in the tweet. Also now... George II Apr 2021 #69
"Joe Biden Promised us $2,000 checks!" wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #71
I got $2,000. My wife got $2,000. But what does this have to do with the topic at hand? George II Apr 2021 #72
Were they in single $2,000 checks? wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #74
I don't care. They could have done it in 2,000 $1 checks. That's $2,000. And NOT the "same mindset". George II Apr 2021 #76
Funny, you seem to care whether Bernie meant unemployment claims wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #77
I don't try to read anything into what I see. That tweet speaks for itself, it's pretty obvious. George II Apr 2021 #79
Apparently his colleague, Ro Khanna, doesn't agree with him: George II Apr 2021 #73
Two things can't be right at the same time wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #75
Where are you getting two thirds from? Lancero Apr 2021 #68
Stock prices Johnny2X2X Apr 2021 #56
Let's take the 76 million number out of the tweet. Do you agree with the rest of it? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2021 #78
Just another one of Bernie's gaffes... no big deal. LanternWaste Apr 2021 #80
Is that a not so subtle shot at President Biden, who has been criticized by REPUBLICANS for.... George II Apr 2021 #81

Celerity

(43,302 posts)
5. Staggering increase of wealth concentration in just one year.
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 04:05 PM
Apr 2021
The combined wealth of the world's billionaires as of March 2021 is some $13.1 trillion -- up from $8 trillion total in March 2020.

George II

(67,782 posts)
11. So why don't you address the substance of my post instead of following me around? This is....
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 04:54 PM
Apr 2021

....the second thread this afternoon in which you responded to me with your gifs, never addressing the material IN the posts.

Response to George II (Reply #11)

Response to George II (Reply #13)

Response to George II (Reply #15)

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
19. Sanders didn't claim there were 76 million Americans unemployed at a specific time
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 06:22 PM
Apr 2021

As you post elsewhere, at peak unemployment there were about 23 million unemployment claims in a week (May 9th). But in the months leading up to that there were people who lost their jobs but were no longer claiming unemployment by May 9th. And in the weeks after that, there were new people who were still added to the unemployment rolls even as the overall number went down (because some of those 23 million were no longer claiming unemployment). So the total number of new claims for unemployment during the pandemic was much higher than 23 million.

You can run the weekly reports here: https://oui.doleta.gov/unemploy/wkclaims/report.asp

It looks to me like there were just over 70.3 million initial claims in 2020 and 4.6 million initial claims in Jan 2021, which adds up to about 75 million instead of 76 million. This article from Entrepreneur (https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/367826) claims 76 million (perhaps where Sanders got the number from?), but you can't see the parameters of their search. Perhaps they started in the last week of 2019.

The news comes just months after the Commonwealth Fund revealed that as many as 7.7 million workers had lost jobs with employer-sponsored insurance by June 2020. The startling figure is largely attributed to a mostly nationwide shutdown of businesses amid a pandemic. By Jan. 23, 2021 that number swelled as over 76 million people had lost work (with and without employer-sponsored health insurance), data from the Department of Labor shows.

George II

(67,782 posts)
21. 76 million people is almost 25% of the entire population, including children and retired Americans..
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 06:45 PM
Apr 2021

There is an estimate that there are roughly 120 million working people in the US, that 76 million would represent almost 2/3 of the entire workforce.

Skittles

(153,147 posts)
58. I've been advised he...."conflated it with unemployment claims"
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 11:51 PM
Apr 2021

you know, to come up with a.....bigger number!

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
24. Odd that some people here want to attack Sanders for being reliably progressive
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 07:33 PM
Apr 2021

He is right on point with this tweet.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
29. 76 million unemployment claims during the pandemic
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:04 PM
Apr 2021

What statistic would you use to document how mant americans their jobs?

Me.

(35,454 posts)
31. THat Number Comes Nowhere Close to Being A Fact
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:20 PM
Apr 2021

June 2-2020
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“Friday’s U.S. jobs report from the Labor Department is expected to show U.S. employers shed nearly 30 million positions from payrolls this spring as a result of the coronavirus pandemic and related shutdowns—but that is just one of several varying estimates of job destruction.

Other data suggest layoffs might have topped 40 million, while another count shows only about 20 million are tapping unemployment benefits. No matter the measure, job loss triggered by the pandemic is historically high and likely to leave a lasting mark on the U.S. economy.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-many-u-s-workers-have-lost-jobs-during-coronavirus-pandemic-there-are-several-ways-to-count-11591176601

"During the first few months of the coronavirus pandemic, some 22 million U.S. workers lost their jobs. In response to these record-breaking numbers, many White House officials promised that a swift “V-shaped” recovery would occur once the pandemic was under control.

Since then, many have returned to work, but there are still 10 million fewer U.S. jobs than before the pandemic began”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/08/the-us-has-10-mil

Nov 30, 2020

“It Could Take 4 Years To Recover The 22 Million Jobs Lost During Covid-19 Pandemic, Moody’s Warns”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanponciano/2020/11/30/it-could-take-4-years-to-regain-the-22-million-jobs-lost-during-covid-19-pandemic-moodys-warns/?sh=43799fa04332


Me.

(35,454 posts)
35. Can't Say
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:31 PM
Apr 2021

It could be any number of reasons...misled by a staff member....pulled it out of his hat...sounded good and like all politicians didn't think people would check

Skittles

(153,147 posts)
38. so I am assuming....you KNOW "what happened"?
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:39 PM
Apr 2021

please DO TELL

because he references a TIME FRAME here: since the start of the pandemic

George II

(67,782 posts)
40. The entire workforce of the United States is about 120 million people. 76 million is exactly....
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:48 PM
Apr 2021

63.333%. How is that possible?

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
43. You are being willingly obtuse due to the messenger...
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:52 PM
Apr 2021

He obviously doesnt say anywhere that 76 million people are unemployed at any given time.

Among lower-income adults, 46% say they have had trouble paying their bills since the pandemic started and roughly one third (32%) say it’s been hard for them to make rent or mortgage payments. About one-in-five or fewer middle-income adults have faced these challenges, and the shares are substantially smaller for those in the upper-income tier.1 To be sure, some of these financial pain points may have existed even before the pandemic – particularly for lower-income adults.

Job loss has also been more acute among certain demographic groups. Overall, 25% of U.S. adults say they or someone in their household was laid off or lost their job because of the coronavirus outbreak, with 15% saying this happened to them personally. Young adults (ages 18 to 29) and lower-income adults are among the most likely to say this has occurred in their household.


https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/09/24/economic-fallout-from-covid-19-continues-to-hit-lower-income-americans-the-hardest/

George II

(67,782 posts)
50. Read the tweet, please:
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 11:02 PM
Apr 2021
The majority of billionaires have gotten richer since the start of the pandemic. Let me repeat that: 86% of billionaires are now $5.1 TRILLION richer, while some 76 million Americans have lost their jobs.


What am I missing?

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
51. Its been posted throughout this thread
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 11:05 PM
Apr 2021

76 million initial unemployment claims in the past year. What statistic do you propose to measure job loss? And why would you nitpick this point? Do you disagree that billionaires have done well during the pandemic while working class Americans have taken the brunt of the damage?

George II

(67,782 posts)
53. He didn't say "unemployment claims", he said explicitly "....LOST THEIR JOBS".
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 11:13 PM
Apr 2021

Not talking here about billionaires, talking about the number of Americans who have "LOST THEIR JOBS".

George II

(67,782 posts)
55. Simply asked, how many people lost their jobs, two thirds of the workforce? From your link....
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 11:29 PM
Apr 2021

...the TOP unemployment rate was 14.7% in April 2020. Based on a workforce of 120 million people, that's 17.6 million. The 17.6 million is actually low, it was really about 23 million people. Still, that's a far cry from 76 million.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
36. So your own reference
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:32 PM
Apr 2021

Claims as many as 40 million... BY JUNE OF 2020... and yet 76 million by April of 2021 is an unrealistic number? Do you disagree with his premise that poor people bared the brunt of the pandemic and lost their jobs while billionaires got richer? Are you arguing against the messenger and not the message?

Skittles

(153,147 posts)
39. two thirds of the workforce did not lose their jobs
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:42 PM
Apr 2021

NOPE

it was a lot of workers but NOT THAT MANY

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
41. He took the numbers from this site
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:49 PM
Apr 2021
https://oui.doleta.gov/unemploy/claims.asp

look up initial unemployment claims from March 2020 to today, add them up, et voila: 76 million.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
52. THe Assumption Here Seems To Be Jobs Were Always Lost But None Gained
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 11:09 PM
Apr 2021

During some periods we were down 20mill and then we would gain 10 mill. In 2020 there was 331,002,651 people in the US and our job loss was not anywhere the claim and it frankly feels like alternative facts.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
62. The claim that 76 million jobs lost still appears to be accurate
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 12:04 AM
Apr 2021

Even if it's not the net number of jobs lost

Skittles

(153,147 posts)
28. where does he get 76 million from?
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 09:52 PM
Apr 2021

that's almost a quarter of the population of America, including KIDS

George II

(67,782 posts)
34. Yes, that's it. It was never more than about 22 million (some figures have it at about 23 million)..
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:29 PM
Apr 2021

If one were to consider "churn", where some who lost their jobs, were rehired, and then others lost their job, contributing to the "total" being more than 23 million, there's no way that could add up to an additional 50 million people losing their jobs.

Even during the Great Depression the unemployment rate in the US never rose above 23%. In today's numbers, 23% would be only 27 million people.

Most certainly NOT "76 million", not even in that order of magnitude.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
42. The United States Department of Labor
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:51 PM
Apr 2021
https://oui.doleta.gov/unemploy/claims.asp

Look up initial unemployment claims from March 2020 to today, use your calculator or Excel to add them up.

Skittles

(153,147 posts)
45. two thirds of the American workforce did not lose their jobs
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:56 PM
Apr 2021

so whatever ADDING you're doing is not correct

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
47. Sanders conflated total unemployment claims
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:59 PM
Apr 2021

with the number of Americans who lost their jobs. Wish he was more precise.

But 76 million initial unemployment claims is accurate. You can see for yourself.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
61. I'm thinking a circular firing squad
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 12:01 AM
Apr 2021

Fine, call him out on not being precise, but this exercise is sort of like slamming Joe Biden for breaking his promise on the $2,000 checks.

Cha

(297,137 posts)
65. I'm thinking people are disagreeing
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 02:22 AM
Apr 2021

with Sanders assertion and it's called "a circular firing squad".. just because not everyone shares the opinion of his tweet.

That sounds like a diversion to me.

George II

(67,782 posts)
69. "76 million Americans have lost their jobs" is in the tweet. Also now...
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 08:56 AM
Apr 2021

...in April 2021, many of the people who DID lose their jobs have already gone back to those jobs.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
71. "Joe Biden Promised us $2,000 checks!"
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 09:36 AM
Apr 2021

If you know what he meant, then don't be sanctimonious about it.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
74. Were they in single $2,000 checks?
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 11:01 AM
Apr 2021

You know how the argument goes. Same mindset with the quibbling over unemployment claims.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
77. Funny, you seem to care whether Bernie meant unemployment claims
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 11:50 AM
Apr 2021

or jobless Americans, as if that's a distinction with a meaningful difference.

George II

(67,782 posts)
79. I don't try to read anything into what I see. That tweet speaks for itself, it's pretty obvious.
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 11:58 AM
Apr 2021

Somewhere around 23-25 million Americans have lost their jobs. A horrible situation that has to be addressed.

Johnny2X2X

(19,038 posts)
56. Stock prices
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 11:34 PM
Apr 2021

The billionaire’s wealth is tied to the price of the stock of their companies. So if their companies perform well their net worth increases, but it’s not like they made that much money. If I own $1 Billion of my company’s stock and the stock price increases 10% tomorrow, did I make $100 Million? Well, only if I sell my stock.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,916 posts)
78. Let's take the 76 million number out of the tweet. Do you agree with the rest of it?
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 11:54 AM
Apr 2021

Because I do.

And because I'm sure you won't be able to 1. answer the question and 2. ignore the 76 million, let me just say:

1. But do you agree with the rest of the tweet about it being bad that billionaires are getting richer while the poor get poorer. It's an easy question to answer. Watch. Here's my answer: I absolutely agree that that is a horrible thing we need to address.

2. There appears to be, as explained above, 76 initial unemployment claims during the pandemic. If that isn't how we determine how many jobs were lost, then what should we use?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
80. Just another one of Bernie's gaffes... no big deal.
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 06:19 PM
Apr 2021

Gaffes happen. Though he can't really point to overcoming a stutter to explain it, I still don't think Bernie's showing any signs of cognitive decline or losing his edge...

George II

(67,782 posts)
81. Is that a not so subtle shot at President Biden, who has been criticized by REPUBLICANS for....
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 06:27 PM
Apr 2021

....his stutter and seeming "cognitive decline"?

If you thought that was humorous, it's not.

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