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Thu Apr 8, 2021, 03:06 AM

Manchin singlehandedly set the Biden Presidency ablaze and put America on brink of tyranny tonight

No minimum wage increase now.
No voting rights bill now. Manchin says the Georgia bill and GOP gerrymandering in the 2020 census redistricting is just fine.
No gun reform bill now.
No immigration improvements now.
No climate change action bill now.
No Medicare improvement now.

No nothing except if Moscow Mitch gives it his blessing first, essentially. I would argue that Joe Lieberman (albeit a neocon) did not even give President Obama as much of the middle finger and a F*** you as Joe Manchin gave President Biden tonight.

It's almost like it's personal with Manchin. He seems to want to intentionally curse President Biden and poke him in the eye. Not sure what's going on there.

This is a total nightmare. Worse. From someone we thought was an ally.

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Reply Manchin singlehandedly set the Biden Presidency ablaze and put America on brink of tyranny tonight (Original post)
MillenialDemLXXXIII Thursday OP
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captain queeg Thursday #2
lagomorph777 Friday #52
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vercetti2021 Thursday #5
Cicada Thursday #6
FBaggins Thursday #19
Cicada Thursday #7
Kablooie Thursday #8
dalton99a Thursday #9
roamer65 Friday #45
eShirl Thursday #10
Celerity Thursday #12
PortTack Thursday #14
Bettie Thursday #23
Duppers Thursday #11
left-of-center2012 Thursday #13
JI7 Thursday #15
left-of-center2012 Thursday #30
FBaggins Thursday #20
xxqqqzme Thursday #16
greenjar_01 Thursday #17
speak easy Thursday #18
greenjar_01 Thursday #32
pwb Thursday #21
Autumn Thursday #27
George II Thursday #22
634-5789 Thursday #26
George II Thursday #28
NYC Liberal Thursday #37
George II Thursday #38
Kingofalldems Thursday #24
634-5789 Thursday #25
George II Thursday #39
TomSlick Thursday #42
634-5789 Friday #47
Wounded Bear Thursday #29
Baitball Blogger Thursday #31
Crunchy Frog Thursday #33
Towlie Thursday #34
Lancero Friday #50
Johnny2X2X Thursday #35
George II Thursday #36
BannonsLiver Thursday #40
FrankBooth Thursday #41
MillenialDemLXXXIII Thursday #43
Blue Owl Friday #44
Hekate Friday #46
Roisin Ni Fiachra Friday #48
FSogol Friday #49
lagomorph777 Friday #51

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 03:25 AM

2. I think he just wants to be in the spotlight. If we had 52 in the senate he wouldn't be showboating

He gets so much attention this way. It’s really disgusting.

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Response to captain queeg (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 9, 2021, 09:06 AM

52. His showboat would sink.

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Thu Apr 8, 2021, 03:37 AM

5. Yep

Or he's a flat out moron. One of the two. Joe has gotta go full blown LBJ or all is lost.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 03:40 AM

6. A new fiscal year starts Oct 1, a new reconciliation bill then

Doing reconciliation twice in one year may strike Mancin as breaking the traditional rule. The recent rule that the reconciliation bill of last month can be amended may strike Mancin as a dangerous notion. But Mancin already showed he will vote for one reconciliation bill per year, the traditional rule. So maybe Oct 1, the first day of the new fiscal year, this bill can pass.

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Response to Cicada (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 06:51 AM

19. Not at all so simple

Reconciliation is one thing... but he still needs to support the final bill.

With the current version of the infrastructure proposal... he doesn’t (and thinks that’s true of several Democrats)

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 03:41 AM

7. A new fiscal year starts Oct 1, a new reconciliation bill then

Doing reconciliation twice in one year may strike Mancin as breaking the traditional rule. The recent rule that the reconciliation bill of last month can be amended may strike Mancin as a dangerous notion. But Mancin already showed he will vote for one reconciliation bill per year, the traditional rule. So maybe Oct 1, the first day of the new fiscal year, this bill can pass.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 03:46 AM

8. If they don't fix voting laws before the next election...

States will lock in Republican wins through draconian laws.

Once they get control of the Senate again THEY will eliminate the filibuster and then lock ipermanent Republican wins into Federal law and Dems will have no way to prevent it.

We know that this is now the Republicans goal, to eliminate democracy and establish a permanent Republican majority.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 03:48 AM

9. +1

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 9, 2021, 02:39 AM

45. Then will have secession and civil war.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 04:15 AM

10. We need to fight harder than ever for every damn seat in the midterms

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Response to eShirl (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 04:20 AM

12. +10000000000000000

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Response to eShirl (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 04:32 AM

14. This...is the answer! And it does appear we have a good chance of picking up 2 senate seats in '22

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Response to eShirl (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 09:31 AM

23. Yes, yes we do

and the one good that he is doing is helping Democrats to stay angry and ready to wipe these assholes out.

I honestly think that without that orange creature on the ballot, we'll do very well. With him on the ballot, every mouth breathing moron with a pulse crawled out of their bunkers to vote for him. Without him? Not so much.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 04:19 AM

11. 😡 +1000

Damn!

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 04:28 AM

13. When is he up for reelection?

And how popular is he in West Virginia?

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 04:42 AM

15. It doesn't matter. Focus on winning other seats

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Response to JI7 (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:15 AM

30. Ouch !

Please don't be rude. Just asking a question.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 06:55 AM

20. Almost four years

As for popularity?

He’s the only Democrat who can win that seat. His popularity might take a large enough hit that he’ll lose the race (if he even intends to run), but the alternative will be a Republican... and not a moderate one.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 04:53 AM

16. Wonder what moscow mitch

has promised manchin? He works pretty cheap. He was in coal companies pockets for years. mitch knows a bargain when he got one.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 05:09 AM

17. Calm down

Perspective helps.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 05:15 AM

18. 62 posts and 'It is hopeless. We are all doomed. Give up Now'.

I'll give this one a miss.

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Response to speak easy (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:19 AM

32. Ayup

Interesting

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 07:01 AM

21. 50 republicans voting no is just ignored?

No I blame the 50 pukes more than 1 Democrat.

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Response to pwb (Reply #21)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 09:38 AM

27. Not me. I know that the Republicans do not support anything that benefits people.

Manchin says that WV does not need a minimum wage increase. Republicans do not care about voting rights. Gun reform, immigration improvements, Medicare improvement, climate change? Republicans don't give a fuck about any of those things. I see no reason to blame the Republicans, they are being Republicans. Democratic values are not anything they would ever support. So yeah, I ignore those 50 pukes.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 09:27 AM

22. Two questions:

1. Do you have the name of a DEMOCRAT who would win a primary against him in WVA?
2. Would that DEMOCRAT, should he/she defeat Manchin, win a General Election in WVA?

We're lucky we have a DEMOCRATIC Senator from West Virginia.

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Response to George II (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 09:36 AM

26. We'renot lucky when he puts the brakes on progress. He's just a DINO.

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Response to 634-5789 (Reply #26)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 09:40 AM

28. I stand by my two questions. No one knows of any Democrat that could win a primary against him....

....and even if that person did, would be crushed in the General Election.

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Response to George II (Reply #28)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:50 AM

37. It's either Manchin voting with us half the time or a Trump Republican

voting with us none of the time. There’s no scenario in which an AOC wins in West Virginia. That’s why primarying him would be a disaster.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 11:04 AM

38. That's been my point for years every time someone bashed a moderate or even conservative...

....Democrat. Better 50% of the time (and in Manchin's and Sinema's cases more than that) than a republican who votes with republicans 0% of the time.

In fact, in 2020 Manchin voted with Democrats MORE times than a Senator much more "progressive" than him.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 09:32 AM

24. Not a good try there.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 09:35 AM

25. How the hell can one bad apple cost us progress?

Schumer and Biden need to drag this hillbilly's ass into the WH for a serious sit down.

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Response to 634-5789 (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 11:04 AM

39. "Hillbilly"?

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Response to 634-5789 (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 09:59 PM

42. HILLBILLY???

Do you really want to use a pejorative about a Democrat, especially a Democrat that is all that stands between us and a US Senate controlled by Moscow Mitch?

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Response to TomSlick (Reply #42)

Fri Apr 9, 2021, 08:42 AM

47. Yeah. Manchin is a DINO, and backwater at that.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 09:59 AM

29. A bit hyperbolic, dontcha think?

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:17 AM

31. Maybe his constituents should start a recall petition.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:21 AM

33. Better be careful what I post, so it doesn't get removed...

My family is probably going to move out of the country because of him. We won't live under fascism.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:28 AM

34. Why would Republicans vote for a fake Democrat when they could vote for a real Republican?

 


... and why would West Virginia Democrats vote for a fake Democrat when they could vote for a real Democrat?

How could Joe Manchin possibly be looking forward to a long-term political future?

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Response to Towlie (Reply #34)

Fri Apr 9, 2021, 09:05 AM

50. Vote Blue no matter who, no?

We can't risk running someone else, because we've been conditioned to believe that no other Democrat could ever hope to win that state.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:33 AM

35. Hyperbole much?

Every President for a generation has had to deal with this filibuster situation. Joe will still get plenty done and has already got a mountain of things done.

And Infrastructure is on deck via reconciliation and Manchin will be on board with it. And if you haven't noticed, Dems are putting a ton of their priorities into these reconciliation bills. Heck, they could even make student loan debt part of the infrastructure bill.

Biden is crushing it and getting tons done, Manchin won't stop a lot more from getting done too.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:38 AM

36. By not supporting Manchin, a DEMOCRAT, this is the type of person we risk winning that seat:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142725678

West Virginia Republicans seek to criminalize removal of Confederate statues

Source: Guardian

Zack Harold
Thu 8 Apr 2021 05.00 EDT

Bill would protect removing or renaming monuments unless first approved by state’s historic preservation center


Nearly 158-years after its founding West Virginia – a state forged from the fires of America’s civil war – remains stuck between north and south. Now lawmakers are considering a bill that would protect Confederate monuments from removal or renaming. Supporters claim they are protecting everyone’s history. Opponents call the bill “traumatic and mentally exhausting”.

At a moment of national reckoning on race, the debate is fierce. “We were the Union. West Virginia was born out of seceding from Virginia, if i’m not mistaken,” said Delegate Sean Hornbuckle, one of the state’s few Black lawmakers. “We’re advocating for people who wanted to kill us.

The bill being considered by West Virginia’s Republican-controlled legislature would criminalize the removal of Confederate statues unless that removal is first approved by the state’s historic preservation office.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 11:24 AM

40. Defeatist twaddle.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #40)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 11:32 AM

41. Yes it is

The teeth gnashing and whining about Manchin on this site is ridiculous. Infrastructure is gonna happen, and he's going to vote for it. Just watch.

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Response to FrankBooth (Reply #41)

Thu Apr 8, 2021, 11:19 PM

43. The problem is HR1 and HR4

I took last night's op-ed as him putting the nail in the coffin of HR1 and HR4 ever passing. With them, our house majority is secure as far as the eye can see and we are sitting pretty in states worth north of 300+ electoral votes. Without those, the 2020 national house re-districting is a nightmare and Speaker Donald J. Trump becomes a very real possibility. We need to hold the house and senate through the 2024 presidential so that we can vote down the competing slates of electors that Republican Governors will send up to the hill next time against those electors duly elected democratically.

Without HR1 and HR4, President Biden can be the most successful president in U.S. history, as it won't matter as Republicans intend to a)try to throw out our votes in the actual election) b)If that fails, simply appoint Trump electors next time to try to install him as dictator. The slates certified by state governors are considered official if the house and senate deadlock at the joint session certification in 2025. So, we need both chambers to vote down this coup attempt.

Maintaining our congressional majorities is essential. Hence, why, by refusing to allow HR1 and HR4 to pass, Manchin is enabling tyranny.

I stand by everything I wrote. HR1 and HR4 are EVERYTHING unless we somehow get 2 SCOTUS appointments that swing the balance of power. Manchin is the sole reason HR1 and HR4 are in trouble right now. That cannot stand.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Fri Apr 9, 2021, 02:16 AM

44. Nice job, Manchin...

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Fri Apr 9, 2021, 03:21 AM

46. Wow. You are over the top, going around the bend, & picking up speed. ...

FUD. Lots and lots of FUD.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Fri Apr 9, 2021, 08:53 AM

48. The folks in West Virginia, and everyone in the United States for that matter,

would be so much better off with a Democratic Senator from West Virginia who supported democracy, and the Democratic party agenda.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Fri Apr 9, 2021, 09:04 AM

49. Unrec. If Manchin switched parties, we'd lose the slim majority we do have.

We need to find a way to work with him and avoid the zealotry.

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Response to MillenialDemLXXXIII (Original post)

Fri Apr 9, 2021, 09:06 AM

51. Do whatever it takes to move him. Bribery, extortion, Kompromat....WHATEVER IT TAKES.

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