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Wed Apr 7, 2021, 02:12 PM

The French army is testing Boston Dynamics' robot dog Spot in combat scenarios





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NEW: the French army has been testing Boston Dynamics' Spot in simulated combat scenarios. To be clear: Spot has *not* been weaponized, the use-case just seems to be surveillance, but still a significant development

The French army is testing Boston Dynamics’ robot dog Spot in combat scenarios
Spot was apparently being used for reconnaissance.
theverge.com

Boston Dynamics tells me Spot was supplied for use to a French military school (the École Militaire Interarmes) by a European distributor, Shark Robotics, and that they were not aware of this deployment. "We’re learning about it as you are," BD's Michael Perry told me

This is a weird grey zone for Boston Dynamics. The company has always been clear it won't weaponize its tech, but says it's "still evaluating" non-weaponized used by the military. https://theverge.com/2021/4/7/22371590/boston-dynamics-spot-robot-military-exercises-french-army
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Reply The French army is testing Boston Dynamics' robot dog Spot in combat scenarios (Original post)
Nevilledog Apr 7 OP
irisblue Apr 7 #1
Irish_Dem Apr 7 #2
soothsayer Apr 7 #5
soothsayer Apr 7 #4
Irish_Dem Apr 7 #3
irisblue Apr 7 #6
Irish_Dem Apr 7 #8
csziggy Apr 7 #10
Irish_Dem Apr 7 #11
csziggy Apr 7 #12
Irish_Dem Apr 7 #13
csziggy Apr 7 #14
Irish_Dem Apr 7 #15
csziggy Apr 7 #17
Irish_Dem Apr 7 #18
csziggy Apr 7 #19
Irish_Dem Apr 7 #20
csziggy Apr 7 #21
LudwigPastorius Apr 7 #7
kskiska Apr 7 #9
twin_ghost Apr 7 #16

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 02:16 PM

1. gee, who is surprised by that? Weaponized robotics was the goal

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Response to irisblue (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 02:19 PM

2. Of course, if a robot cannot kill or maim what good is it?

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 02:22 PM

5. Time for the 15 most shocking deaths by robots

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Response to irisblue (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 02:20 PM

4. Maybe show the enemy that episode of Black Mirror and then release the robot hounds

They’ll surrender

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 02:20 PM

3. Calling Issac Asimov. We need you stat.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 02:30 PM

6. no damn lie

this puts me in mind of the medieval war horses, but just the armour moving.

Battle tactics like this -The Battle of Agincourt was an English victory in the Hundred Years' War. It took place on 25 October 1415 near Azincourt.

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Response to irisblue (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 02:36 PM

8. Right, times never change. We have not changed much since 1415.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 04:05 PM

10. Yes, his Three Laws and the Zeroth Law that he added later would be good

First Law
A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
Second Law
A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
Third Law
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

{SNIP}

Zeroth Law reads:

A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics

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Response to csziggy (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 04:09 PM

11. Right. I was an avid Asimov fan in childhood. Had the laws memorized.

They need to be posted everywhere now.
I had hoped robots would improve human life, but not looking that way.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 04:20 PM

12. I'm re-reading the Foundation series

And the Robot books recommended by Asimov himself as prequels to that series. Not in the order he recommended since I began with the original three Foundation books, then the two prequel novels he wrote in the 80s and 90s. And since I was waiting for Forward the Foundation to arrive, I started I, Robot before it arrived.

1. The Complete Robot (1982) or I, Robot (1950)
2. The Caves of Steel (1954)
3. The Naked Sun (1957)
4. The Robots of Dawn (1983)
5. Robots and Empire (1985)
6. The Currents of Space (1952)
7. The Stars, Like Dust (1951)
8. Pebble in the Sky (1950)
9. Prelude to Foundation (1988)
10. Forward the Foundation (1993)
11. Foundation (1951)
12. Foundation and Empire (1952)
13. Second Foundation (1953)
14. Foundation's Edge (1982)
15. Foundation and Earth (1983)

I had read everything published before the 1980s and had all of those except The Stars Like Dust - but most had been read by me in the 1960s so it's fun going back to the earlier works.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 04:26 PM

13. I read all of early Asimov. You have read all of his work!

Amazing job!

I should go back and read him again like you are doing.
And his newer works.

I adored him when I was young.

He helped me develop a forward and creative way of looking at the world.
And life beyond human constraints.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 04:59 PM

14. When I was a kid our small local library had a lot of non-fiction Asimov books

I read those - at the time, they were great introductions to various scientific fields.

Yes, Isaac Asimov (and Star Trek) gave me a very hopeful view of the future. Today so much of science fiction, books and movies, display the future in a very depressing way.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 05:17 PM

15. Yes times have become nihilistic since our childhood era.

Yes I knew he wrote straight science books, but I never read them.

Yes Star Trek gave me the same feeling about the wonderful evolution of humankind.
Not going so well as you point out.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 05:27 PM

17. Even with the Cold War and the Cuban Missle Crisis

Plus the various assassinations, I don't remember being as depressed about the future as I feel now.

While there were classic SciFi books that showed a post apocalyptic future, but there still seemed to be a future that would be better.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 05:30 PM

18. The young people today are depressed too.

No jobs, huge college debt, unaffordable housing.

In my era despite the tragedies you cite, we had hope for a future.

The sci fi literature yes almost always saw a better world.
And good winning over evil.

I think that with so many decades of being tormented by GOP sociopaths, we have lost hope.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #18)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 05:35 PM

19. You're right - I think we need to help the younger generation make plans

And do what we can to help them find a way to a better future, even if we have to fight the RepuQs every step of the way.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 05:38 PM

20. Yes I am more and more wanting to throw down the gauntlet and fight the GOP.

I keep trying to work with my daughter and friends to make their way in troubled times.
Give them hope and direction. Not give up.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #20)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 05:48 PM

21. My nieces and nephews seem to have pretty up beat attitudes

And are moving forward with their lives and futures. Even the one that works abroad with refugees seems to have a positive attitude and she's seen some of the worst that humans can do to each other.

But I made a rule to not discuss politics with them - I don't want to lose contact with them if they don't like my politics. And if I don't like theirs, I really don't want to know about it.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 02:36 PM

7. It's only a matter of time.

South Korea has had autonomous sentry turrets along the DMZ for more than a decade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGR-A1

And, here's DARPA's mobile version:

https://www.qinetiq.com/en-us/what-we-do/services-and-products/maars-weaponized-robot

These devices require human consent to open fire...for now.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 03:52 PM

9. I wish they wouldn't use the term "dog" for this.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Apr 7, 2021, 05:20 PM

16. This will be a great way for the French Army to send the white flag to the enemy!

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