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Tue Apr 6, 2021, 04:25 AM

7 year old asks Old Navy to make girls jeans with "real pockets" "would like to put things in them"



A first-grader in Arkansas is quickly learning the power of persuasion.

Kamryn Gardner, whose class recently learned how to write persuasive letters, used her new skills to pen a request to Old Navy. The 7 year-old asked the retailer to create jeans with real pockets.

"Dear Old Navy," Gardner wrote. "I do not like that the front pockets of the girls jeans are fake. I want front pockets because I want to put my hands in them. I also would like to put things in them. Would you consider making girls jeans with front pockets that are not fake. Thank you for reading my request."

Old Navy responded to first grader's letter and sent her four pairs of bottoms with real pockets, according to Evening Star Elementary's Facebook post.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/05/us/old-navy-real-pockets-girl-jeans-trnd/index.html

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Reply 7 year old asks Old Navy to make girls jeans with "real pockets" "would like to put things in them" (Original post)
Demovictory9 Apr 6 OP
abqtommy Apr 6 #1
colorado_ufo Apr 6 #2
Tanuki Apr 6 #3
leftyladyfrommo Apr 6 #4
Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 6 #7
leftyladyfrommo Apr 6 #10
CurtEastPoint Apr 6 #15
Walleye Apr 6 #8
japple Apr 6 #9
leftyladyfrommo Apr 6 #12
bamagal62 Apr 6 #27
crickets Apr 6 #46
PJMcK Apr 6 #19
Tracer Apr 6 #39
TuxedoKat Apr 6 #31
LizBeth Apr 6 #44
csziggy Apr 6 #50
cinematicdiversions Apr 6 #5
blueinredohio Apr 6 #6
PatSeg Apr 6 #11
Demovictory9 Apr 6 #22
PatSeg Apr 6 #26
oldsoftie Apr 6 #13
alphafemale Apr 6 #14
alphafemale Apr 6 #16
Demovictory9 Apr 6 #20
KY_EnviroGuy Apr 6 #17
BComplex Apr 6 #18
Demovictory9 Apr 6 #21
obamanut2012 Apr 6 #23
Demovictory9 Apr 6 #24
LizBeth Apr 6 #45
Treefrog Apr 6 #28
Demovictory9 Apr 6 #25
Hugin Apr 6 #29
Wounded Bear Apr 6 #30
Cartoonist Apr 6 #32
Hugin Apr 6 #33
MissMillie Apr 6 #34
Hugin Apr 6 #36
MissMillie Apr 6 #42
Hugin Apr 6 #43
MineralMan Apr 6 #35
MissMillie Apr 6 #38
Demovictory9 Apr 6 #47
MineralMan Apr 6 #48
MoonRiver Apr 6 #37
zeusdogmom Apr 6 #40
lagomorph777 Apr 6 #41
Demovictory9 Apr 6 #49

Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 05:16 AM

1. Now there's a practical youngster!

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 06:04 AM

2. I love this!

This girl wants both fashion and function. She has a GREAT future in whatever she wants to do, from engineering to architecture to the world of fashion and more.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 06:27 AM

3. So many times we complain about things to each other, rather than

going to someone who is actually in a position to do something about it. Kudos to young Kamryn, to the teacher who encouraged her pupils to write persuasive letters, and to Old Navy for their response!

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 06:33 AM

4. I buy men's jeans. I am built like a boy so I can.

I need pockets that are deep.

And men's jeans sizes are consistant. I get the same size every time just by looking at the tag. I know they will fit.

And they are cheaper and tougher.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 07:05 AM

7. I'm a man who has problems with shirt sizes

I really like denim shirts, and for most brands, I take a medium. But not Old Navy -- a medium is too small and a large is too big.

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 07:13 AM

10. I live in denim shirts and they come from Walmart.

I trued buying online but the sizes varied too much.

Women's are much worse. You can buy a size 10 and it fits so you just pick up a second one and it won't fit. They are all made in different countries and each country does the sizes differently.

And shoes? Holy cow. Those sizes are all over the place.

I work with animals so I can get away with wearing men's clothes.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 07:24 AM

15. LOL on 'work with animals.' I am picturing two of them saying, 'Do you see? She wears...

men's clothes, I tell you!"

Good for you on working with animals.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 07:09 AM

8. I'm with you on that

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 07:11 AM

9. I do the same with men's sweatpants. They have nice deep pockets and are much sturdier, warmer and

longer-lasting than women's sweats. Will try it with the men's jeans.

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Response to japple (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 07:17 AM

12. I do that, too. They are way heavier.

Men's clothes are way warmer in winter.

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Response to japple (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:29 AM

27. I buy men's sweatpants at Costco.

Longer in the girth, better pockets, thicker material, not too tight in the thighs.

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Response to japple (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 01:55 PM

46. 👆 Exactly. Men's sweatpants are also more comfortable.

For some reason, even sweatpants often are cut more 'form fitting' for women than they should be given they are sweatpants. It's annoying, so I just quit buying them and went to the men's section. Problem solved.

Before designer jeans, it was more common for everyone to wear men's jeans, so the pocket issue was less noticeable and men's pants sizing compared to women's was a revelation. Levi's 501s were the bomb back in the day. I don't wear jeans as much any more, but next time around I might just have to get a pair.

eta - oo, and painter's pants! Those were big for both sexes in junior high. Put 'em on damp and they'd dry shrink to fit your shape. You want pockets? Lots! I loved those pants.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:00 AM

19. My wife is petite

But she is built with feminine curves. Still, she buys many of her daily clothes from the boys' section of the department store. They fit her better than the comparable women's clothes. She wants pockets in her jeans, she wants shirts that don't expose her mid-drift every time she raises her arms and she doesn't want to pay designer prices for clothes that aren't practical.

Kudos to Old Navy, especially if they make the pocketed-pants available retail, (are they already?).

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:21 AM

39. My adult daughter is very small too, so

she buys boy's clothing, usually sportswear, t-shirts and jeans.

The boys clothes are sturdy and a whole lot cheaper. Also much less expensive are boy's NFL items (team shirts for instance).

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:35 AM

31. I buy

some men's clothes too, especially hoodies and mock turtlenecks. They seem to better made and are longer.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 11:22 AM

44. Mens sweaters are thicker, the shirts aren't see through. I am having the toughest time finding a

true sweater that is not a thin nothing material. I am damn tired of everything being see thru.

I haven't checked out mens pants, but I might after reading your post. And yes, cheapers.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 02:43 PM

50. I also buy men's jeans

The few times I bought women's jeans, they were too baggy in the butt and the pockets were inconsistent. Some had really small pockets, and at least one pair had pockets that went almost to my knees!

And as you say, men's jeans are tougher. The denim used for women's jeans is thinner and can't take much wear - not good when you're patching fence.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 06:42 AM

5. She is of course correct.

While she is a tit perhaps have woman's clothes simply by measurements rather than the weird "sizes" they have know (Where an size 8 of yesteryear is now a size 2)

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 06:46 AM

6. I feel her pain.

I don't buy any pants, sweat pants, shorts etc. without pockets or a coat or jacket without a hood.

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Response to blueinredohio (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 07:14 AM

11. The first thing I check for when I buy any kind of pants,

a jacket, and even a cardigan sweater is pockets. This has been an issue with me for a whole time. I'm glad that it is finally getting much needed attention these days.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:02 AM

22. I avoid pockets in cardigans... I would be tempted to put my hands in the pocket and stretch the

material

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #22)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:26 AM

26. Oh, as I get older,

the more pockets the better. I always have something to put in them.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 07:18 AM

13. Same with some mens garments. I HATE fake pockets.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 07:19 AM

14. With grown women the problem is that the need for no extra material and a trim fit.

You can't have a trim fit and bulky pockets.

Buy the boy/men's jeans.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 07:28 AM

16. I was such a rough player and hard on clothes that my mom bought those extra tough jeans

I think from Sears.

Designed for boys.

Tuff Stuff I think was the name.

Really took several washings to not feel like rough canvas.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:00 AM

20. toughskins

http://www.searsarchives.com/brands/toughskins.htm



Toughskins: 1971-present

.If the Sears Silvertone was the unofficial first guitar for musicians, then Toughskins is the unofficial first pair of pants for schoolchildren. Printed and online testimonials abound from people whose first memory of their childhood is going to the first day of school outfitted in Toughskins.

Sears touted the new line of Toughskins children's pants as "The toughest of Sears tough jeans...lab tests prove it!" Toughskins debuted as a new blend of materials, including Dacron Type 59 polyester, DuPont 420 nylon, and cotton.

The "tri-blend" was a conscious effort on the part of Sears to develop a brand of jeans that was exclusive to Sears. In the 1960s, Sears' children's jeans were made of the same material as that of its competitors. When market research showed that durability was the most important feature for parents buying children's jeans, then Sears' engineers headed into the laboratory to develop a stronger material than either the 50-50 blend of cotton and polyester or 100-percent composition of jeans most commonly found in stores at the time.

To demonstrate just how tough the new jeans were, Sears launched a famous "Tough Jeans Territory" ad campaign in 1974, in which Sears constructed a trampoline out of the Toughskin material. Sears was so sure of the new line of pants that they were sold with a guarantee that children would grow out of their Toughskin jeans before the jeans wore out.

Toughskin jeans were marketed for both boys and girls, ranging in age from toddlers to teenagers. Sears later expanded the line of Toughskins jeans to include corduroy jeans, denim jackets, and men's work clothes.

In the 1990s, a second generation of children wore Toughskins, which were featured items in the new Kids & More departments at Sears stores.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 07:35 AM

17. Not allowed. Girls would start carrying snips and snails and puppy-dogs' tails.

KY...... ......

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 07:50 AM

18. Pockets are my biggest gripe against women's clothes. I won't even buy at Dick's Sporting goods.

None of the women's sports clothes have pockets. Almost all the men's clothes do. Why in the world are women's clothes so random? Sizes are not consistent, and no pockets.

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Response to BComplex (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:01 AM

21. fashion for women, pockets would hinder how the cloth lays against the body

and we have purses

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #21)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:05 AM

23. YOU have a purse, "we" do not and never will

I also do not give a damn about the drape. I want pockets.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #23)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:07 AM

24. correction- it's ASSUMED that we will use a purse to carry stuff

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #24)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 11:24 AM

45. Right, because I mostly do not carry a purse and put id and keys in pockets, lol.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #23)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:39 AM

28. Thank you. When I'm out working in the yard, I sure as hell am not carrying a purse around.

I rarely carry one at all. Certainly not while running, or walking my dogs, or hiking, or while doing a million other things. I’ve worn men jeans all my life, same with shorts because they have POCKETS. I HATED girls’ clothes as a child, mostly because of the pockets. I’ve learned mens’ clothes last longer in general also.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:09 AM

25. pockets!! lol

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:31 AM

29. Oooh, my....

After all of these years, DU-GD has stumbled on one of my few kinks.

A well fitting pair of old Levi's 501 button fly jeans or more recently tactical pants are my Kryptonite.



If anyone needs me, I'll be the person in the back row yelling, "PUT IT ON! PUT IT ON!"

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:33 AM

30. The age-old fight between style and practicality...

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:40 AM

32. She thinks she has problems?

I have a pair of pants with four deep pockets, but no fly.

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Response to Cartoonist (Reply #32)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:53 AM

33. This is the set up for an attorney joke, right? n/t

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:57 AM

34. I cannot rec this enough

and not just a "not fake" pocket, but a pocket that will function like the ones on men's jeans


I'd buy men's jeans, but they're not big enough through the hips

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Response to MissMillie (Reply #34)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:10 AM

36. Many years ago...

My Mom had quite the cottage industry of altering denim clothing for people such as yourself.

She had worked in a shoe factory during her younger years and had one of the few sewing machines around that could manage denim and muslin. (which was also in style in those days)

Mostly taking in the legs of larger jeans so the hips would fit, but, also the lower waist of jackets to allow room at the top.

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Response to Hugin (Reply #36)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:29 AM

42. I am a short woman

so I am resigned to the fact that every dress and every pair of pants I purchase has to have some length removed.

But I'm beginning to think I need to broaden my skill set so I can make my own clothes.

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Response to MissMillie (Reply #42)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:50 AM

43. Learning how to do alterations is the way to go, in my humble opinion.

It is the fastest and is also a means to stay with the current fashions. If such is important to you.

Unfortunately, it is also a bit of an art.

I never practiced it myself. Watching her I did pick up the majority of the trick is to buy the item sized with alteration in mind and then she'd completely remove the side seams and re-create them to conform to the measurements required.

She was always making me a new jacket. I have very broad shoulders and she would bring in the waist. They were often 'stolen' by friends. Because, off the shelf, most jackets are cylindrical at best. If they fit the top so you can move they hang like tents on the bottom. The cold cold wind would blow up in there.

Length is an easy hem and I have done that for myself.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:00 AM

35. Plenty of working pockets are why men don't normally carry handbags.

Five-pocket jeans, two-pocket shirts, and jackets with multiple outside and inside pockets. That's my daily wardrobe. Even the watch pocket on my jeans has a use. I carry $1 in change in that pocket. Three quarters, two dimes and a nickel. I do not carry pennies, though. Ever.

Funny thing: The thrift store I most frequently visit (I buy shirts there) labels the rows of clothing racks for men this way: Men's Tops, Men's Bottoms, and Men's Coats. I always chuckle at that. I guess it's mostly women who shop for clothes at thrift stores. Not me. The last time I was in my favorite thrift store, i spotted a 70s Pendleton Black Watch plaid wool shirt. It was an XL size. It fit me perfectly, because it had been washed and shrank. Looked like it had never been worn. $1.99. Score!



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Response to MineralMan (Reply #35)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:15 AM

38. Um... yup

If I put my wallet in my handbag, I have to be constantly aware of where it is at all times.

And mind you, I don't necessarily need to carry a wallet. Driver's license, a couple of bucks, debit card. So I think the pocket doesn't have to be huge, but it can't be so small that just those few small items are going to slip out every time I sit down.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #35)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 02:12 PM

47. I prefer the purse because everything can stay in it end of day

Pockets have to be emptied

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #47)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 02:35 PM

48. Well, there is that, of course.

On the other hand, I never leave my clothes on the top of my car and drive off.

I found a purse once down the street from a garage sale that had fallen off someone's car. I didn't want to leave it with the sketchy person running the garage sale, so I took it with me. I checked the wallet, found the owner's address and looked her up in the phone book. (remember those?"

She answered the phone, so I drove the purse to her house and gave it to her. Happy woman! She offered to give me $20, but I said, "No, thanks."

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:12 AM

37. That's so adorable!

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:22 AM

40. Smart little girl

I want pockets in my jeans, too. And any other bottoms except very dressy pants. I buy all of my jeans, etc. at Duluth Trading. (Yes they have a women’s division) All bottoms have multiple, real pockets. Ditto the skorts and shorts. Plus they have a variety of fits because we are not all 5’10”, long legged, no hips women. In addition, their tops are long enough to prevent embarrassment. Kind of pricey to be sure. But they have frequent sales and the stuff wears forever.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:29 AM

41. It's amazing to me that women ever buy such dysfunctional garbage.

Manufacturers would never get away with that in men's apparel.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #41)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 02:39 PM

49. most women have a massive wardrobe relative to men, more clothing cheaper made, disposable

not the level of tailing of men's clothes

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