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Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:37 AM

Why are Cuomo's accusers all piling on just now? They've

Had years to speak up.

Iím not saying sexual-harassment is OK. I think there should be an investigation before calling for his resignation.

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Reply Why are Cuomo's accusers all piling on just now? They've (Original post)
raccoon Mar 2021 OP
Rhiannon12866 Mar 2021 #1
Sinistrous Mar 2021 #16
George II Mar 2021 #42
Historic NY Mar 2021 #51
George II Mar 2021 #52
Historic NY Mar 2021 #63
mahina Mar 2021 #2
Hekate Mar 2021 #100
onetexan Mar 2021 #3
Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #7
onetexan Mar 2021 #40
Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #106
jimfields33 Mar 2021 #12
onetexan Mar 2021 #41
ashredux Mar 2021 #4
wnylib Mar 2021 #38
Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #5
rampartc Mar 2021 #9
quaint Mar 2021 #39
Stuckinthebush Mar 2021 #49
Luciferous Mar 2021 #58
Metatron Mar 2021 #61
uponit7771 Mar 2021 #76
Blasphemer Mar 2021 #79
ahoysrcsm Mar 2021 #85
TreasonousBastard Mar 2021 #6
Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #8
rainy Mar 2021 #22
FBaggins Mar 2021 #44
RandomNumbers Mar 2021 #86
Celerity Mar 2021 #10
LymphocyteLover Mar 2021 #18
Celerity Mar 2021 #19
choie Mar 2021 #64
Celerity Mar 2021 #65
Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #110
LymphocyteLover Mar 2021 #89
Celerity Mar 2021 #91
marble falls Mar 2021 #36
wnylib Mar 2021 #60
LymphocyteLover Mar 2021 #87
George II Mar 2021 #57
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Fullduplexxx Mar 2021 #11
liberalmuse Mar 2021 #13
BlueSky3 Mar 2021 #45
Ricky-by-the-lake Mar 2021 #46
no_hypocrisy Mar 2021 #14
jaxexpat Mar 2021 #23
luvtheGWN Mar 2021 #25
WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #33
Blue_Adept Mar 2021 #68
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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:40 AM

1. I agree. The timing is very suspicious.

And we know that Trump resents the national attention that the governor received for his proactive handling of the pandemic.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:17 AM

16. The governor could have beaten any of

the blubbering ninnies that the republinazis could have scraped off the pig sty floor. He was an overwhelming threat to them.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 08:52 AM

42. Andrew Cuomo's approval rating just before this happened was higher than it's been...

...in the ~10 years he's been in office, and he's getting ready to start a re-election campaign later this year.

If you look at all the accusers (none were for "assault" until last night) and some of those who first called for him to resign, there is a common thread between many of them. It is highly suspicious.

If people are on Twitter, to get a good idea of the thinking of Lindsey Boylan to check out her tweets over the last few weeks. She's now bashing Biden and Harris, too, who have nothing to do with this.

My thinking is this is 99% political.

An example:


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Response to George II (Reply #42)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:18 AM

51. OOps there is its

She was fired from state office, ran against Jerry Nadler, and now running for Manhattan Boro President. There is an entire group of people devoted to taking down the old guard...no matter what way is necessary. Even the darlings that are heap with so much praise here.

I'm still trying figuring out how they had all kinds of antics on the State's Plane...all the aircraft is flown by the State Police


Did any of these people go to a bar or nightclub in their lives?

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #51)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:23 AM

52. And NONE of them are jets, they're all props unless they're switching over. This was 3 years ago.

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Response to George II (Reply #52)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:45 AM

63. Troopers don't fly jets...

I'm 3 miles from a couple of choppers and an old Vietnam etc Huey, a fixed wing Piper. They got a new chopper in 2017 after he had several incidents,

Sikorsky S-76D Deluxe Executive Helicopter and it still has to be available for use by the NYSP first new aircraft since 2002.

[link:https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/republican-pac-takes-aim-cuomo-fancy-new-chopper-article-1.3670853|

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:42 AM

2. The DU poll yesterday showed overwhelming support

For letting the investigation run.

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Response to mahina (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 04:40 PM

100. Absolutely. As opposed to Frankening him. Dems are just way too good at the circular firing squad.nt

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:43 AM

3. I also dont like the fact Dems are piling on cuomo as well

Not good. Seems people are hellbent to knocking him down. We had the biggest sexual predator as POTUS going scottfree while we are eating our own.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:47 AM

7. Trump was a disgrace

Cuomo should be investigated. And if all this is proven true, he should be removed from office. Because if this is all true, then it's a disgrace.

I don't want an asshole to stay in office because the other side did it.

If we had a Trump like figure who was a democrat, I would be all over getting him out, too. I don't know that Cuomo is quite there, but this isn't GOOD stuff.

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 08:50 AM

40. Agree, but give Cuomo his due process

Let him be investigated first. If he's found guilty be should resign or be removed. But not before then. I dont want another Al franken situation.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #40)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:41 PM

106. I'm fine with that.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:06 AM

12. TRump got fired from the voters

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 08:51 AM

41. Yea but not before he wreaked enormous harm &i dont think it was

He was fired becuase he's a sexual predator. He was fired for his incompetence, ineptitude & corruption.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:45 AM

4. Just one question....has money exchanged hands? We know the Governor is a jerk,,,but the timing ..

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Response to ashredux (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 08:22 AM

38. That's my question, too.

i've been wondering if any of the accusers have made deals behind the scene to come forward. I am a woman who has experienced workplace sexual harrassment, like most women have. But since this is a political situation the timing is suspicious, then at the very least, we should wait until the investigation is complete before calling for resignation.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:46 AM

5. Because the dam broke

People thought: Oh, it was just me. I don't know how serious it was.

Then they saw the pattern. It wasn't just them. That he's done this to a lot of people.

This is how it works when it's someone we like or someone we don't like who is being accused.

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:51 AM

9. +1

there is a little "maybe it was my fault" until a few others come forward.

but put me in the "investigate first." column. we don't really expect perfect people to want these jobs.

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 08:37 AM

39. +1

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:17 AM

49. This

I am guessing the Franken experience has made many of us gun shy when it comes to acknowledging sexual harassment when we see it in one of our own. The damn broke. Women saw strength in numbers.

I'm very disappointed in Cuomo. I do believe the women.

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:31 AM

58. Yep

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:43 AM

61. Exactly. n/t

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 11:17 AM

76. +1, I've seen this with people who are covertly racist in the work place

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 12:16 PM

79. Exactly... it's perfectable understandable... nt

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 01:41 PM

85. I agree, but the latest accuser has not spoken with the police.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:47 AM

6. Although there may be a slime trail leading to Stone, this is very common. When it happens...

there is the mix of shame, fear, and maybe even some guilt feelings. Then, one person speaks up and the rest take the hint and follow suit.

Cosby, Weinstein... all the really bad guys got away with it for years before one person had enough-- then they all piled on.

And yes-- investigation before judgment.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:49 AM

8. Yes

I am okay with waiting for investigation. But I have a huge problem accusing the women of being plants or this being a right wing conspiracy. Cuomo has openly been a jerk. His office misrepresented covid deaths to make himself look better. There have bene rumors for years about his treatment of women. It's not a SHOCK that he was misogynistc and harassey.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:36 AM

22. Cosby and Weinstein were criminal

rapists! Cuomo is accused of inappropriate behavior not a crime. He should be required to get awareness counseling and should not be forced out of his job. This is getting ridiculous!

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Response to rainy (Reply #22)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 08:55 AM

44. Cuomo is also accused of a crime

Not all of the allegations are variations of "he made me feel uncomfortable"

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 02:34 PM

86. Yup. I do think, let the investigation run, then a decision needs to be made.

I'm guessing Cuomo is a major creep of a sexist pig, like MANY men I've worked with / for.

I've never seen one of the sexist a-holes fired for being a sexist a-hole, if they are in management and a darling of the higher-ups.

However if he really did have someone else attend is "sexual harassment awareness training" for him, hoo boy, no HR department I know would tolerate that blatant disrespect to their fiefdom. And of course if the groping charge from "anonymous" can be reasonably proven, he's done. (frankly though, I highly doubt that one. I don't think he's that fucking stupid. Boorish, but not so stupid as outright assault.)

If one of these sexist a-holes I formerly worked with turned up on the evening news that they had a political position now and someone had come forward about the a-holishness, yup I'd probably jump on that train too.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:53 AM

10. it is not just the sexual harassment charges, it is the coverup of the nursing home data as well

Just saw several discussions on CNN about the two issues, and the nursing home scandal is gaining traction with NY voters, according to the pundits and the polls presented on those CNN segments.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:18 AM

18. IMO the nursing home scandal is bogus. The allegations of coverup are silly

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Response to LymphocyteLover (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:24 AM

19. The majority of the elected US congressional Democrats from NY certainly do not see it that way,

perhaps take it up with them.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:46 AM

64. How about the people of NY?

or don't we count?

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Response to choie (Reply #64)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:48 AM

65. only way to judge that is via polls, and see if the outcome matches the majority in the polls nt

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Response to choie (Reply #64)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:47 PM

110. I'm a people of NY

and I think that THAT was the worst of the accusations and should be the most damaging.

It wasn't, though.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 02:49 PM

89. they may have other issues with Cuomo and are using this as a cudgel

Cuomo is an obnoxious guy and I'm not a fan. I just don't see the scandal.

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Response to LymphocyteLover (Reply #89)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 03:16 PM

91. they are also upset about the nursing home reporting (especially the state Dems), and yes, all the

other things I listed, plus his strongman style tactics that have created a tonne of enemies for him within his own party.

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Response to LymphocyteLover (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 08:11 AM

36. Giving bogus information is a serious misstep.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #36)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:42 AM

60. When nursing home residents

were hospitalized and died in the hospital, their deaths were not counted as nursing home deaths. As far as I know, if someone died in a nursing home, it was counted as a nursing home death.

When AG Letitia James audited the records, she discovered that, if those hospital deaths were counted as nursing home deaths, the number of nursing home
deaths increased by 50%.

The total number of covid deaths did not change. The cause of death did not change.

Looks like the nursing home issue depends on the reporting of the place of death. Is it a hospital or nursing home death? Did the patient die because the nursing home was not able to give them the early care and attention that they needed? Or did they wait too long to send them to a hospital? Did the patirnt die because the hospital was overwhelmed and did not have the staff and equipment to give them the time andxattention that they needed? Did the patient get the virus in the nursing home or go to a hospital for an emergency and get exposed in the hospital? If the patient got the virus in the nursing home, was it from a visitor? A staff member who was exposed to someone outside of work? From one patient who was sick and passed the virus to others via staff who lacked PPE and sanitation supplies to protect other patients?

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Response to marble falls (Reply #36)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 02:45 PM

87. What specific bogus information did Cuomo give out?

Please be specific.

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Response to LymphocyteLover (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:29 AM

57. When the so-called "coverup" happened, it was early in this crisis and people were hustling...

...to make heads or tails over it. NYS was swamped with tens of thousands of cases in a matter of just weeks last spring. Plus, the Federal government was giving the states false direction on how to report cases, which compounded the errors.

My understanding is that the instructions were to report people who died in hospitals as hospital cases, even if they were transferred there from a nursing home. It's more complicated than that, but that's the basis behind the misunderstanding.

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Response to George II (Reply #57)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 02:47 PM

88. Yes, that sounds right. It could have been handled differently but I don't see the scandal

it wasn't exactly a secret that lots of people were dying in nursing homes and it's not like they covered up people who died in the homes.

If there are more damning details, I've yet to see them.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:13 AM

13. Because women face consequences for speaking up.

And there is safety in numbers. My god we have a long way to go.

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Response to liberalmuse (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:02 AM

45. +1

Thanks for saying this.

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Response to liberalmuse (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:04 AM

46. yes

My wife worked in the executive branch of NYS government for 9 years in the 1980ís and sexual harassment was common place then. She like most women never spoke up for fear of losing her job and subsequently being black balled from similar jobs. She left to become a teacher.

As far as Cuomo, This isnít exactly a well kept secret or new behavior , the allegations have been known for years. He shouldnít resign, he should be impeached(charged) and suffer the public humiliation of a trial.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:15 AM

14. I'm a defense attorney. My suspicions are heightened due to the sheer number of accusers.

It seems to make the situation somewhat "off".

I had a client accused of 16 different abuses (emotional, psychological, physical, mental) within a period of less than four hours the same day. It didn't look good at all. The harshest accusation was my client, the "victim's" nurse, "crushed" the foot of the victim with a Hoyer Lift and left her on her bed with sheets soaked in urine. The only witnesses were the victim's son and a roommate who only heard sporadic conversation and noises.

No, it didn't look good at all. But I suspected something was up because of 16 abuses in such a short period of time after no complaints seemed suspicious to me.

I started representation with my belief that my client could be liable either fully or partially. There were too many accusations to say with a straight face that it was all fabricated. And even if I did say that, how could I explain an old woman in a wheelchair made it all up?

I worked by myself (for free) for nearly two years. I sat at the hearings, listening to the victim, to the witnesses, to the staff. I objected where necessary. I cross-examined with scrutiny. I poured over the transcripts and the evidence at the end.

I turned in a 24-page closing argument. In that document, I listed 14 different gross inconsistencies that countered the accusations. Stuff like the victim named on a photo the wrong place on the wrong leg where the alleged injury was. Her son admitted that nothing happened. Photos showing that the injury was impossible due to the location on medical reports. (Her leg would have pushed against a mattress.) Finally, I connected the dots: the victim had a certain rage that appeared when she missed her doctors' appointments and/or medical testing. I demonstrated that the victim was blamed my client for not preparing her sufficiently, to allow her to go to her DEXA scan appointment the first time; she had to miss two appointments and had to go to a third one. And the victim was vindictive. She thought she would just get my client fired or re-assigned, not having her license revoked.


So I ask for those of you ready to hire a limo to have Andrew Cuomo driven away from the Governor's Mansion, hold off until more information is available. You just don't know what you don't know.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:38 AM

23. EXACTLY, it's not hard. Just shut up and investigate. But shut up. You don't KNOW anything.

So exhausted watching the "court of public opinion" overwhelm justice.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:44 AM

25. Cuomo is a flirt.

He is not a rapist. He didn't threaten to fire anyone if they didn't do his "bidding".

I don't know about the nursing home alleged cover-up. That definitely needs investigation. But these other "charges" are basically accusing him of being nosy, asking the wrong questions, and hugging without permission.

These female accusers, in my mind, are snowflakes.

And yes, I'm a woman who had a successful career and dealt with many men like Cuomo.

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Response to luvtheGWN (Reply #25)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 08:03 AM

33. "These female accusers, in my mind, are snowflakes."

Wtaf.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #33)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:51 AM

68. Some really great representatives of Democrats around these parts these days, eh?

Ugh.

The power of the word of one man will always tower over the power of a dozen, two dozen, or more women making a claim.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #68)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 10:04 AM

69. For all the accusations of IOKIYAR I see around here, it definitely goes the other way for some.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #69)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 12:21 PM

80. I agree... I am disgusted by what I've been seeing around here

When a political message board becomes a hostile environment for women, it makes it all the more apparent how and why it happens in the office of a governor. I refuse to make excuses for Democrats.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #68)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:46 PM

109. Right.

And these men are the enlightened ones.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #109)

Sun Mar 14, 2021, 08:35 AM

114. The calcification of DU has been going on for a long time.

The "purges" across the past decade alone has really done a disservice. So many groups that have abandoned the place.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #114)

Sun Mar 14, 2021, 11:38 AM

116. That is too bad, sorry to hear it.

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Response to luvtheGWN (Reply #25)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 11:08 AM

73. Well said and I wholeheartedly agree. Nt

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Response to luvtheGWN (Reply #25)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:45 PM

108. When women don't like men at work putting their hands on them and making sexual comments.

Especially when there is a big power differential, and in front of colleagues.

That does not make them snowflakes.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:59 AM

29. Thank you

The court of public opinion is wearisome.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:38 PM

104. The number of accusers in a short period of time is a red flag.

But it Cuomo's case it could be that they finally feel safe to speak out.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:16 AM

15. Payback for broiling Trump in daily news conferences last year

also Dems don't want him to run for president. He is a NY candidate that is going nowhere nationally. So all have a reason to pile on.

As for the behavior in public photo ops - celebrities, and a politician is a celebrity, want to appear popular and to leave a record for those they are photographed with. Did you stand beside him like a stick, or did you know him? I'm not entirely standing up for him, but celebrities try to make their moments with people personal. That may be part of what was going on in his head.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:18 AM

17. I support due process for everyone.

Fair is fair, right? (But, sadly, I guess it depends on who you ask.)

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #17)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:40 PM

105. I agree, there should be due process here.

It is not fair to be tried in the press.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:26 AM

20. I was raped decades ago. I wasn't going to press charges until I learned he had raped someone else.

I was embarrassed, I was ashamed, I didn't want to go through the ordeal of a trial and be publically known as a victim.

But then the rape crisis counselor blurted out that this sounded like the same guy, same method, as the guy who had raped someone else she was working with. That made me want to press charges to stand in solidarity with her.

The women who are speaking out now likely feel ashamed that they didn't stand up for themselves in the moment, and they are afraid even now about what it will do to their careers and personal safety. But they are willing to overcome that shame and fear because they don't want the first woman to shoulder all that risk and fear herself, when they know that their stories would collaborate hers.

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Response to femmedem (Reply #20)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 08:00 AM

30. He hasn't been accused of rape by anyone

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Response to JI7 (Reply #30)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 08:07 AM

34. Understood. But that experience explains to me why someone accusing a powerful man

of sexual misconduct of any kind would hesitate to come forward until motivated in part by the desire to support another accuser.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:35 AM

21. ' . . . why piling on now . . . ?

Part of it may be a football like phenomenom of 'piling on'. Particularly likely to happen if a 'Fumble' is involved. The excitement of a gang tackle. Some players just feel like jumping on the pile. Some may build up their stats for an assisted tackle. Some may get away with some angry mayhem in the pile-up.

In football, this often calls for penalties against the 'pile jumpers'.

Limiting the pile jumpers, enables a more fair investigation of what 'the fumble was about'. Even possible to have a fair, discerning, impartial, video review of the factual evidence - despite feverish emotions of the moment.

In politics, pile jumpers may be rewarded.

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Response to empedocles (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:58 AM

28. In pol'tics, imo, some chronic political pile jumpers should be regarded with suspicions.

Either side of the partisan crowds are likely to 'overreact'.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:38 AM

24. After Anita Hill I think reluctance to come forward is understandable, until someone else leads

the way. Strength in numbers. Support. Kavanaugh anyone?
I think Cuomo's goose is cooked when you add death count manipulation to the harassment mess. My hope is that the death count stuff might help put DeSantis back in the spotlight for what he pulled in Florida. That crap seems to have gone away already. The man hid deaths and when someone (name?) started reporting on it they sent armed agents to her home to arrest her. What a crock.

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Response to dameatball (Reply #24)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:48 AM

26. Correct me if I'm wrong,

and if I'm wrong I apologize. I understand that the deaths were reported but they were not counted as nursing home deaths but counted as hospital deaths. Now this is terribly wrong to do, but from what I understand Cuomo didn't hide the deaths he counted them as hospital deaths.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #26)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 08:16 AM

37. That sounds about right. I am just hoping that if Cuomo does not weather the storm at least maybe

the light can also shine on DeSantis again. He seems to have skated.

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Response to dameatball (Reply #37)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:24 AM

54. So many harsh lights to shine on so many Reeps..

far worse than Cuomo in any scenario.

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Response to dameatball (Reply #37)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 04:19 PM

95. +1

DeSantis really should be facing the same level of scrutiny right now.

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Response to crickets (Reply #95)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 04:28 PM

98. Absolutely. He sent his goons into her home, guns drawn with family present. Ridiculous.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:58 AM

27. There seems to be a rush to judgment.

If Cuomo is guilty of all offenses, there will be witnesses in some cases and there should be at least HR documents for some of the accusations even if no police reports were filed. I think that, like Al Franken, Cuomo is being tried in the press, and the press has found him guilty. Iím disappointed that no one seems willing to wait for an investigation.

Cuomo could be guilty of all accusations, but Iím not comfortable with just running him out of office without the investigation. If heís guilty, then he needs to leave office. What I find concerning, though, is that he has been in public office for many years now and this is the first time any accusation of this sort has been made. I can appreciate that the political and work environment discouraged women from speaking up in past years, but Senator Franken resigned in 2017 amidst the storm of the Me Too movement. Since then, women have been much less inhibited by workplace norms from speaking up.

So why did Boylan, the first accuser, wait more than a year to make a public complaint? And why go public now? Is it to gain attention? According to news reports, Boylan is a candidate for an election for borough president of Manhattan. Boylan accused Governor Cuomo of asking her to play strip pokeróon a plane with other people who denied her claim. After two other accusers came forward, Boylan tweeted to Cuomo, ďResign, you disgusting monster.Ē I cannot know whether her political aspirations are at the root of her accusations, but thatís why an investigation is needed.

I just think that this is a dangerous precedent where we say always believe the woman and never believe the man. As we saw with Tara Readeís accusations against Joe Biden, women do make false claims. But the press did not convict Biden without digging up some facts. And, yes, it is much more serious when several women make accusations against the same man, but I still believe in due process that says youíre innocent until proven guilty. Governor Cuomo is being forced to pay the consequences even before being proven guilty.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #27)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 08:02 AM

32. This 👆🏼👆🏼👆🏼

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #27)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:43 AM

62. Hasn't Boylan also set up a PAC

Or threatened to set up a PAC and fundraise off Cuomoís current issues?

Come on Dems! Allow an investigation already!

As far as the NH deaths thing, I read that they feared reprisals from Trump in addition to all the confusion of how and what to report.

What a clusterf**k.

Investigation before demonization!



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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 08:01 AM

31. Hard to see what Schumer and Gillibrand gain by piling on rather than investigating.

Anyone have a better sense of NY politics to know why they'd be pushing this? And it's the second time for Gillibrand, who didn't seem to learn anything from the Franken fiasco.

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Response to TheRickles (Reply #31)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:50 AM

67. Schumer too

 

He called for Franken to resign and he met with Franken to tell him to resign.

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Response to TheRickles (Reply #31)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 10:04 AM

70. 2nd time for Schumer too. People forget that the every single Dem senator told Franken to resign

either in public or private, except for the 3 on the Senate Ethics Committee (who couldn't say anything, but I am 99% sure would have called for his resignation if they could have), Menendez, who would have, but he was involved in a Federal corruption trial and chose to say nothing, and Manchin, who was the only one in the Dem Senate caucus who told him not to resign.

The revisionists like to lay all the blame on Gillibrand, but it was an entire group of the women Dem Senators who coordinated for weeks (with Schumer's blessing) before they all went public, one after the other in one day. Gillibrand was the first by a few minutes to post on social media, but then Kamala Harris was the first on national television who called for Franken to resign. Klobuchar told him in private to resign, then went public.




Also, no one called for him to resign at all based off just the RWer Tweeden's charge. It was only after 7 more women, including multiple Dems, came forward that the tide turned.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #70)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 11:05 AM

72. Thanks, D4L and Celerity, for the reminders about Schumer, but the question still remains:

Why aren't they waiting for an investigation? Is there some "Inside New York" stuff going on that we outsiders don't know about?

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Response to TheRickles (Reply #72)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 11:58 AM

78. I do not know at all (about insider info). I am just leaving it up to our NY elected Dems to

do the right thing. I am not going to get involved in creative speculation, nor will I be swayed by attempts to pick out one single things and then attempted to make that the principal driver to play problematic framing games with, such as occurred with Gillibrand and Franken (and the dismissal of the other 7 women there). If it was just Tweeden and Tweeden alone, Franken would still be a Senator, and if you remove Gillibrand and keep all the other factors the same, he still would have resigned. The same for Boylan and Cuomo (with the other similarity being the attempted dismissal of the nursing home scandal as either false, or simply irrelevant, which it is neither of those things as far as I can tell).

Cuomo has apparently made a lot of enemies in NY politics, many of them, unfortunately for him, from his own party. Many of them have long-held resentments about how he kept Republics in power in the NY State Senate via the Independent Democratic Conference (IDC), a breakaway faction that caucused with the Republicans, thus blocking many things that a Dem-controlled Senate would have passed (we had the lower house already). When all this first started breaking (about the nursing home scandal alone, this was well before any sex harassment had come up), I watched a lot of Democratic NY state assembly members really go off about that and other heavy-handed tactics he used, including threatening the family of a Asian female (from Chinatown in Manhattan) Assemblywoman (Yuh-Line Niou). I sensed he was already in a bit of trouble back then.

I am just sitting back and seeing how it plays out, I have no true dog in this fight, as I am not a NY'er, and it is mainly about NY politics.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #78)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 01:19 PM

83. Thanks, Celerity. Your second paragraph is just what I was looking for.

Sounds like he was doing his own form of Clintonian triangulating, to minimize progressive gains. And this is his karmic return.

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Response to TheRickles (Reply #83)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 01:36 PM

84. In Clinton's defence, he would never dream of aiding a group of conservadems to

caucus with the Rethugs to block a large chunk of the Dems in the US Congress. On individual bills, perhaps but that is nothing like getting them to caucus with the Rethugs to literally flip a chamber. Clinton only could have done that his first two years anyway. He lost both the House and the Senate in the 1994 nightmare midterms and never got them back (other than his last 17 days in January 2001, when a 50/50 Senate meant for 17 days Gore broke ties).

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Response to TheRickles (Reply #31)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 11:14 AM

74. Someone recently threatened to primary them and that persons PAC is winger supported IINM

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #74)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 11:29 AM

77. Not sure how the threat of being primaried by another Dem would lead them to pile on a popular Gov.

That possibility doesn't seem worth worrying about, unless there's been some sort of NY-based groundswell of opposition to Schumer and Gillibrand that I haven't heard about (quite possible, of course, which was why I was hoping an NY-based person could comment).

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #74)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 02:57 PM

90. That was Lindsey Boylan, the first accuser:

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Response to George II (Reply #90)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 05:11 PM

103. Boylan: "but I will show up on every talk show to oppose you both"

my guess is fox news?





Not only will I help fund this, but I will show up on every talk show to oppose you both @SenSchumer and @SenGillibrand
. I will call you out for the cowards you are. I am so tired of your lack of courage. Itís tied to every problem we have in this country.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 08:07 AM

35. I understand why sexual assault victims keep quiet about attacks at the hands of powerful ...

... perpetrators who have the ability to interfere with underlings' careers.

There should be an investigation either way.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 08:53 AM

43. Yes, investigate

A hit job is very possible.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:11 AM

47. Of course Gillibrand jumps right in there

Of course Gillibrand jumps right in there.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:16 AM

48. Why was it just fine when 15 women accused trump. Not a peep.

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Response to The Jungle 1 (Reply #48)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 11:16 AM

75. After or before Trump admitted being a text book sexual predator in a recording? Even then people

... were willing to allow investigations into rape allegations but Cuomo has to step down now for some dems?

Something aint right

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Response to The Jungle 1 (Reply #48)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:09 PM

112. Trump admitted it over the years

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:18 AM

50. Is Cuomo a type of 'victim' too?

Ok, hear me out. It sounds like it's a workplace culture issue. When I read that a WOMAN told the younger woman to sit within eye shot, or to wear stilettos, it sounds to me (a woman) that she was telling the younger woman what she needed to do to get ahead and get by. Kind of and wrongly encouraging his inappropriate behavior.

This sounds like a slew of people either found his behavior acceptable or atleast tolerated it for a long time, which is part of the problem. I know it was because of his status and fear of retribution, etc, that no one called him on it, in fact, just the opposite. Kind of grin and bear it culture.

What Cuomo has done is wrong...if it turns out the groping allegations are true, he should be fired!

But, it sounds like a whole lot of repenting is necessary and education on what is appropriate and not in the workplace. This happens throughout the entire country, from a manager at Burger King to the governor of one of the most powerful states in the union. We have culture problem.

Let the investigation continue and I believe he should be allowed to seek professional help, along with the entire work staff.



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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:24 AM

53. The timing definitely smells funny, Roger Stone-type funny

Why now? Of course, sexual harassment should be taken seriously, investigated & addressed. However, throwing due process out the window can turn this situation or any similar situation into a witch-hunt. Democrats should know better by now.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:24 AM

55. Why did it take so long for Weinstein's or Cosby's accusers to come forward?

Sometimes, it takes one brave person to come forward for the log jam to be broken. Fear of exactly what is happening on DU where the accusers are shamed or attacked as having ulterior motives keep people living in silence for years.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:24 AM

56. Keep In Mind

That the OPís question is the exact same one that the Reichwing was asking about Kavanaugh. My guess is that you get to a certain number (critical mass, if you will), and the dam breaks.

Now, neither Kavanope nor his accusers got due process, and screaming for Cuomo to immediately resign without an investigation isnít due process, either. BUT it doesnít look too good for him either.

Just a reminder: We believed Justice McRapeyís accusers with no (real) investigation. Whatís the difference except party affiliation?

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:39 AM

59. Because revenge is a dish best served cold

nt

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Response to Deminpenn (Reply #59)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:48 AM

66. It is very cold in space!

 

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 10:16 AM

71. Strength in numbers n/t

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 12:37 PM

81. It took about 35 years for Roy Moore's accuser to come forward

Then, several more followed. Imagine how bad the following thread would have looked in 2017:

Why are Roy Moore's accusers all piling on just now? They've

Had years to speak up.

Iím not saying dating under-age girls is OK. I think there should be an investigation before calling for him to get out of the Senate race.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 12:38 PM

82. It's not just Cuomo's accusers

The press and Democratic lawmakers have left Cuomo for roadkill demanding he resign immediately. This whole affair requires a thorough investigation. Until then, the heat and shouting needs to be turned down and the investigation completed. Governor Cuomo's fate will be determined in the aftermath.

I cannot shake the convenience of timing in this matter and the pile-on, each accusation more serious than the last, is too reminiscent of patterns we've seen in the past. Doesn't negate the veracity of the accusations but it does require a serious investigation to verify. Otherwise Cuomo will be denied due process and we won't be any closer to knowing what happened and/or the seriousness of the behavior.

Do this the right way. A rush to judgment or trial by public opinion serves no one's interest.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 03:32 PM

92. This photo should be seen by everyone.

Cuomo should not resign until he gets his side told in an investigation.

https://www.facebook.com/carolyn.day.9659/posts/2839313026282375

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Response to BlueLucy (Reply #92)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 04:12 PM

93. Yep, this could be an OP.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #93)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 04:17 PM

94. Please do it

I don't know how to add pictures here and too lazy to learn. It really should be shared.

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Response to BlueLucy (Reply #92)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 04:24 PM

97. No FB account - can't see it. nt

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Response to BlueLucy (Reply #92)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 04:31 PM

99. photo:

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 04:22 PM

96. Exactly. Can we just wait for

the outcome of the investigation?

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 04:55 PM

101. In other news: how are Govs Abbott & DeSantis doing?

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 05:03 PM

102. Of course there should be an investigation.

I personally believe the women though.

We can't say believe women and then change our tone when the accused is Democrat.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:43 PM

107. In cases like this, credible ones seem to only be in the first few.

Look at even the Kavanaugh scandal. The last few (such as Avenatti's client) turned out to be likely fake and just after money or attention.

It is an unfortunate byproduct of human nature that there are those who will look to capitalize on any scandal.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:01 PM

111. They want the man's job.

They've tried to take him down for years but could never beat him at the ballot box. Zephyr Teachout specifically ran for AG on the basis of prosecuting Cuomo, during the same year (2018) that Cynthia Nixon ran for governor on a similar theme. Nixon was crushed in the primary by Cuomo by 30 points. IMO, they know the nursing home stuff was not enough to do him in, so they added some sex to spice it up. Boylan (the first accuser) is the typical Rose Twitter alt-left type who hates Dems.

Of course two things could be true at once. He could be guilty of these charges AND they also are just cynically using it to take him down, timed just as the primary season is on the horizon. That's why we need the AG to investigate, and let the facts go where they may.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:11 PM

113. I totally agree.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sun Mar 14, 2021, 09:08 AM

115. Because they spend year fearing retribution? Feelings of shame and self-blame?

There are many reasons. Look at how many people Harvey Weinstein hurt over decades that came pouring out once a few stepped forward.

People here are going down an unpleasant road, picking apart the women who have stepped forward to tell their stories here.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Jan 1, 2022, 12:36 PM

117. How has this thread aged?

 

I mean, he's been proven to be a scumbag now, right?

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