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Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:33 AM

Cuomo's position is getting less and less tenable for Democrats


First Read is your briefing from "Meet the Press" and the NBC Political Unit on the day's most important political stories and why they matter.

March 2, 2021, 9:07 AM EST

By Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Carrie Dann and Melissa Holzberg

WASHINGTON — One allegation of sexual harassment is a big problem for a politician.

A second allegation turns into a full-blown crisis. And a third — in less than a week — becomes unsustainable for the politician and his political party, because no one knows when a fourth or fifth allegation might surface.

This is the untenable political situation for Gov. Andrew Cuomo, D-N.Y., who saw a third woman accuse him of harassment as New York’s attorney general has begun proceeding with an investigation of the governor.

And it’s not too dissimilar from the circumstance that Al Franken faced when he ultimately resigned his Senate seat.

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The Difference Between Al Franken and Andrew Cuomo


March 2, 2021 at 9:27 am EST By Taegan Goddard

First Read: “For one thing, there hasn’t been a cascade of calls for Cuomo to resign; so far, just one New York congresswoman, Kathleen Rice, has called for Cuomo’s resignation. (Notably, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand wants the matter investigated first.)”

“In addition, unlike with Franken in 2017, Democrats are under less pressure to claim the political high ground and make an obvious contrast against a current congressional candidate (Roy Moore in Alabama) or a current president (Donald Trump).”

“And Cuomo has never been someone willing to walk away, even when facing a crisis that’s become impossible to control.”

“But Democrats need to be asked this question after the latest allegation against Cuomo: How could you call for — or accept — Al Franken’s resignation, but not do the same for Cuomo?”

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https://politicalwire.com/2021/03/02/the-difference-between-al-franken-and-andrew-cuomo/



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Reply Cuomo's position is getting less and less tenable for Democrats (Original post)
DonViejo Mar 2 OP
BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2 #1
luvs2sing Mar 2 #3
Ms. Toad Mar 2 #13
BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2 #14
Ms. Toad Mar 2 #15
Sur Zobra Mar 2 #2
lagomorph777 Mar 2 #7
Nikki28 Mar 2 #4
Dem4Life1102 Mar 2 #6
tritsofme Mar 2 #8
Dem4Life1102 Mar 2 #9
mvd Mar 2 #5
Botany Mar 2 #10
frazzled Mar 2 #11
dsc Mar 2 #12

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:40 AM

1. Тяцмр has made this all meaningless.

At least Cuomo asked, he didn’t “just kiss” or grab anyone by the 🐱.

I’m sorry but if it’s meaningless for Тяцмр to have 20+ allegations, every one way more serious including a full blown rape allegation then this shouldn’t even be a blip on the radar.

They always try to use our own standards against us and never apply it to themselves. It’s time to stop playing by their rules. Don’t let them Franken this guy.

He should apologize “if anyone felt uncomfortable” and move on. They wouldn’t even do that.

We need to be knife fighters like they are.

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Response to BlueTsunami2018 (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:47 AM

3. Totally agree.

They weaponize our morality and use it against us. We need to figure out a way to defuse that weapon, and this morning I’m thinking that maybe ignoring their bluster might be the solution, at least in this case. He was a creepy old horn dog, and he should apologize and commit to doing better.

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Response to BlueTsunami2018 (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:22 AM

13. So you're perfectly fine with Democratic politicians victimizing women

Just because Republicans do it?

Our standards mean that women are important, and that we don't turn a blind eye when women (blacks, LGBT individuals, etc.) are being abused.

It is NEVER ok for men to sexually assault women, no matter how many Republicans get away with it.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 12:40 PM

14. Of course not.

But I’m also for pragmatism.

If we’re going hold our own responsible for asking for a kiss and they’re not going to hold their own responsible for far worse, they’re always going to win.

What happened to Franken was ridiculous. What’s happening here isn’t much better. Do the investigation first before we railroad this guy out of office.

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Response to BlueTsunami2018 (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 12:53 PM

15. I can't interpret this in any other way.

I’m sorry but if it’s meaningless for Тяцмр to have 20+ allegations, every one way more serious including a full blown rape allegation then this shouldn’t even be a blip on the radar.

They always try to use our own standards against us and never apply it to themselves. It’s time to stop playing by their rules. Don’t let them Franken this guy.


This = allegations of sexual harassment
They always try to use our own standards against us and never apply it to themselves = if sexual harassment/rape/etc. does not mean anything when alleged against them, it doesn't mean anything when alleged against us.

Which says the victims of rape and sexual assault don't matter because it's all politics.

This sounds precisely like the justificiation for gay-bashing Republicans - they are so bad that we should throw out common decency (and it doesn't matter who else it hurts).

As to the specifics here:

Cuomo has admitted the acts (in at least two of three instances). What he disputes is that he intended them as sexual harassment. His intent is completely irrelevant to the impact of the acts he has admitted to committing.

I don't know that he should necessarily resign - but I do find it more troubling that the acts were committed within the context of employment than had the same acts been committed between peers.

Between peers, completely outside of the employment context I would favor some education (including mediation with the women, if they are interested and willing), coupled with a real acknowledgement of the impact, an understanding that his intent was irrelevant, and change going forward.

I am less inclined to be tolerant in the employment context, since employment is the means to provide for one's self and one's family (both paying the bills and access to health care).

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:43 AM

2. Chuck Toad???

Did he ever, ever say that that after the 23rd allegation against Trumpass that his position was untenable?

The fucking hypocrisy of the press is untenable

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Response to Sur Zobra (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:01 AM

7. Fuck Toad. His position is untenable.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:49 AM

4. My two cents

Cuomo will be a great president when Biden run his terms because he stands up to Mitch and the other GOQ's and is a fighter. He is one who will not be bullied by these quacks and knows how to run a country.I love me some Cuomo and I hope the DNC would not make the same mistake they did with Al Franklin and others because look at the former guy and noway should Cuomo step down In fact he should throw his hat in the ring for higher office because this will be the GOQ's worst nightmare to have him run because he is not a snow flake. I do not see a problem right now with him flirting, especially when it comes to the former rapist in chief. I feel this has Roger Stone,Flynn,Don JR, and Rudy all over it. Until I hear something on tape like we did the former guy,I am hesitant to go for this at this early stage.JMHO.

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Response to Nikki28 (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:56 AM

6. You have something against VP Harris?

 

Isn't she Biden's natural successor?

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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:02 AM

8. We don't have "natural succession" we have primaries.

Harris would be the favorite and frontrunner, but would not clear the field. Gore and Bush both faced competitive primaries as incumbent VPs, I wouldn’t expect it to be any different for Harris should she run.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:07 AM

9. Yes we have primaries

 

But the poster was stating a preference for Cuomo over Harris.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:53 AM

5. That's just learning from the Franken thing and being more careful

I strongly think Franken may have gotten a little carried away but was no predator. I don’t know about Cuomo yet. We should let the investigation play out.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:07 AM

10. Can we wait until everything comes out and until the people of NY come to a conclusion?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:17 AM

11. How about the nursing home scandal

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The fact that Cuomo has always seemed a little creepy makes it not surprising to me that his smarmy advances toward young women are in the news. The fact that he’s a bully in general is kind of well known. And his self-importance has long been on display and only grew because of the unwarranted attention he got early in the pandemic. (Many other governors were delivering excellent daily press conferences to inform their citizens, but it wasn’t New York, and it wasn’t a political sideshow.)

These allegations are entirely believable, and certainly worthy of our condemnation. But they’re probably not going to bring him down. There are just so many other fish to fry in our current climate. It pales in comparison to George Floyd, and no one wants to be on the end of receiving the retribution that those who forced Al Franken to resign have (in that case, rightfully) gotten. Plus, the Republicans get away with worse.

The real issue is that there are bigger issues with Cuomo that should bring him down. Possibly the nursing home scandal, or abuses of power. Hopefully, voters will decide.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:20 AM

12. I am not sure if Cooper in NC had Cuomo envy on this or not

but he did a fantastic job here and no, he didn't get one millionth of the attention while doing that excellent job.

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