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Mon Mar 1, 2021, 04:12 AM

Dear DUers: All thru this terrible COVID year I've felt a sense of community at DU.....

All thru this terrible year I’ve felt a sense of community here — as if we're holding each others’ hands, being encouraging voices in the darkness that Trump created.

Praying for the sick and terrified, grieving with the bereaved, upholding the weary and fearful. Rejoicing at each step forward — each recovery, each vaccination. Being a community.

All of a sudden in the last few days, our “family” is turning on itself. In multiple posts and OPs we who have managed to work our way thru the distribution labyrinth are being accused of “gloating,” being “disrespectful,” being uncaring of others, hogging medication that should go to others, and of being unconscious of our “white privilege.”

How dare we have even a glimmer of hope and a sliver of relief?

No. Just no. This only serves Trump, who malignantly and maliciously killed at least half a million of our friends and loved ones. He and his family and cronies did this to us, and they did it on purpose.

Turn your wrath toward he who deserves it, turn your energies toward working somehow to make the system work better, and recognize that each person who is protected brings you and others closer to protection as well.

Please.



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Reply Dear DUers: All thru this terrible COVID year I've felt a sense of community at DU..... (Original post)
Hekate Mar 2021 OP
secondwind Mar 2021 #1
yankeepants Mar 2021 #2
pnwmom Mar 2021 #3
NJCher Mar 2021 #4
Dave Starsky Mar 2021 #16
bdamomma Mar 2021 #45
AZProgressive Mar 2021 #5
MiHale Mar 2021 #6
pwb Mar 2021 #7
NurseJackie Mar 2021 #9
AZProgressive Mar 2021 #12
Hortensis Mar 2021 #27
Elessar Zappa Mar 2021 #29
NurseJackie Mar 2021 #8
Rorey Mar 2021 #13
Rorey Mar 2021 #10
dameatball Mar 2021 #15
Rorey Mar 2021 #25
dameatball Mar 2021 #32
Rorey Mar 2021 #36
dameatball Mar 2021 #44
grantcart Mar 2021 #21
Rorey Mar 2021 #26
gademocrat7 Mar 2021 #11
Walleye Mar 2021 #14
gibraltar72 Mar 2021 #17
panader0 Mar 2021 #18
Pongo Mar 2021 #19
Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2021 #20
Rorey Mar 2021 #30
Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2021 #35
Rorey Mar 2021 #37
Laurelin Mar 2021 #22
RandiFan1290 Mar 2021 #23
Atticus Mar 2021 #24
Hugin Mar 2021 #28
Stinky The Clown Mar 2021 #31
Silver Gaia Mar 2021 #33
malaise Mar 2021 #34
bdamomma Mar 2021 #47
mcar Mar 2021 #38
GusBob Mar 2021 #39
Hekate Mar 2021 #43
nolabear Mar 2021 #40
Hekate Mar 2021 #41
Hugin Mar 2021 #46
nolabear Mar 2021 #48
Blue Owl Mar 2021 #42

Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 06:06 AM

1. Thank you for your wise words.


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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 06:11 AM

2. Yes. Well said.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 06:12 AM

3. Thank you, Hekate!



I've managed to overlook posts like that but they don't belong here.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 06:17 AM

4. I've noticed

A big increase in calls for jury duty here.

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Response to NJCher (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 08:47 AM

16. The little gremlins are coming back in full force.

Now that King Pumpkinhead is clearly back on the menu for 2024.

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #16)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 08:21 PM

45. pumping up

the lie machine and spewing hate and division, and blaming others not looking at those at the top who are responsible.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 06:22 AM

5. I agree

This pandemic is a very complicated situation to solve but I put most of the blame on Trump who failed to manage it from the start.

Not sure the context on the "white privilege", I don't use that personally I focus on words like discrimination and there have been disparities.




I hope everyone stays safe and have no problems with people receiving a vaccine if they can get one.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 06:22 AM

6. Great reminder, Hekate...

There are times around here that remind me of sibling rivalry. Little disagreements become overly inflated arguments with no real malice meant, only emotional outbursts that should’ve evaporated quickly. Just like in a real family.

It’s hard to wait for something when others are receiving what you want so badly. 2021 should’ve come with a warning...”Extreme Patience Required”.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 07:02 AM

7. Our progressive wing seems to lack patience and sometimes

understanding of how things work. The young are restless.

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Response to pwb (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 07:08 AM

9. I probably couldn't have said it as diplomatically as you did...

... but you're absolutely correct.

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Response to pwb (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 07:21 AM

12. If you're talking about DU

This board trends older. Young people mostly use Twitter or Instagram rather than a board like this.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213017831

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Response to pwb (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 09:47 AM

27. "Restless" impatience for sure. Perhaps more manifestation of victim syndromes, tho.

Now that having to wait for vaccination is triggering all these resentful "you're privileged"/"I'm a victim" threads, it's obvious that it was inevitable.

It's just reality that some people are prone to resentment and victimization syndromes, especially prevalent among a lot of those drawn to groups and leaders dissenting against mainstream majorities. Government and party are always suspect, always turn out to be corrupt, always failing their duty. Always failing them.

Since overdoing the me-me-me aspect gets old fast, that chronic anxious resentment's most typically expressed as part of the general anger toward injustices suffered by genuine victim groups. Not that their anger at validated proof of what's wrong with a system or establishment also victimizing them isn't real. It is, very!

None of this is at all new, of course. The "it's about me" vaccination threads right now are a little different in that they reveal both an instant resentment toward others being "privileged" at their expense and a lack of awareness that most others waiting for vaccination don't share it.

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Response to pwb (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 09:50 AM

29. If you're talking about DU,

our posters trend older. Very few young post here. There’s been poll after poll on this site that show that. Most young progressives are on Twitter.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 07:07 AM

8. This post is the perfect antidote for the hostility and negativity...

... being directed as those who do not deserve it. When I see people berating others because they dared to express joy or relief at receiving the Covid vaccine... it makes me heartsick. It's more than being a "wet blanket" or needlessly raining-on-someone's-parade... it's cruel. What good purpose does it serve to say and do things that would make a joyous person feel guilty (especially when they have NO REASON to feel that way)?

Turn your wrath toward he who deserves it, turn your energies toward working somehow to make the system work better, and recognize that each person who is protected brings you and others closer to protection as well.
Good, wise, sensible advice. Thank you.



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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 07:27 AM

13. Well said, NurseJackie

The quicker we get people vaccinated, the better. Sure, the system is far from perfect, but to refuse to get the vaccine because we don't agree with the system will contribute to the problem.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 07:17 AM

10. I already had "survivor's guilt"

I'm one of those "you go first" people, and never one to try to shove my way through to be the first at anything. When we in Colorado moved to the phase of vaccination that includes me, I had the usual feelings.

Others must have voiced the same feelings to our governor, Governor Polis, because he then told us to stop feeling that way. He said, "When it's your turn, take the shot."

I also had expressed my feelings of guilt to my kids (all adults with families). My youngest son told me, "Mom, you're the one we've been worrying about!"

So I did. I got my first shot a week ago.

Do I feel privileged? Yes, I do. Every day.

We can look at the current rollout plan countless different ways, and from every angle we're going to conclude that it's not perfect. But it does no good to refuse the vaccine when it becomes available to us. I can see why it appears to be "gloating" to some. Another perspective is that when it becomes someone's turn to get the shot, they're doing their part to combat the virus. It's not something we should be ashamed of doing.

"Turn your wrath toward he who deserves it, turn your energies toward working somehow to make the system work better, and recognize that each person who is protected brings you and others closer to protection as well."

Yes. This. Thank you, Hekate, for posting this.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #10)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 08:27 AM

15. Well said. I have three kids and seven grandkids and had a similar conversation. Like your son, my

son told me they were much relieved that I was getting the vaccine. To him it means that we are on the road to some future place, hopefully near future, where we can visit and interact more often. If I could change places with anyone in my family I would do so in a heartbeat. But I can't at this point. I do know that when they schedule me I am going to show up. Then I will continue to observe the masking, the safe distancing, etc., that I do now. It's the least any of us can do.

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Response to dameatball (Reply #15)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 09:36 AM

25. I do feel good about getting it

But not nearly as good as I'll feel when everybody who wants a shot gets it.

One of my daughters-in-law told me at the beginning that she won't get the vaccine. She's pretty close to an "anti-vaxxer", but she's not a Republican. It's just her personal viewpoint, for whatever reason. When their daughter was born there were words, but my son put his foot down and insisted she get the usual vaccines that babies get, and that has happened. There have been no adverse effects, so I'm hoping that my daughter-in-law will change her way of thinking.

And, yes, I'm going to continue to follow all of the protocols too.

After I get that second shot I'm planning to inquire about volunteering with the vaccine effort. I didn't think there was anything I could do because I'm not a medical professional, but there was a LOT of staff at the drive-through clinic doing clerical type stuff, and I can do that. I want to do what I can.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #25)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 10:02 AM

32. Yes, I was impressed with all the staff where I went also. Very positive and competent.

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Response to dameatball (Reply #32)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 10:14 AM

36. I just signed up

I was thinking I should wait until after the second shot, but then I thought that it might take awhile to get my application processed, so I went on the health department site and signed up, so we'll see what happens.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #36)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 07:48 PM

44. I haven't noticed any posts from volunteers yet...maybe I missed them. Sounds interesting if you

eventually feel like posting. Meanwhile, kudos and good luck.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #10)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 09:10 AM

21. Getting a vaccine is a selfless act, it means you will very likely not transmit


the disease.

My biggest concern is not that I would get Covid but that I would transmit it.

Sometimes a selfless act has a direct personal benefit.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #21)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 09:43 AM

26. That has always been my biggest concern too

Transmitting it.

I've got a six month old grandson I haven't held. He really doesn't know me and it tears my heart out. With all five of the other grandchildren I was the primary caregiver when their parents worked, so I got to build a very special bond.

I don't know when it'll be okay for me to begin bonding with that little guy, and maybe it'll never be the way it was with the other five, but he's a very loved baby and I know that I'm just "bonus love" and that he's fine. Hopefully we can make up for lost time soon. His older brother, who is four, will hopefully show him that Grandma is a good person.

We're going to have great weather here this week, so I'm planning to go out to their house for an outside visit.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 07:19 AM

11. Thank you, Hekate

You are absolutely right.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 07:58 AM

14. Republicans don't make up their talking points. Mostly they get them from Democrats

This is what pisses me off. You hear some progressive or conservative Democrat criticize about anything. Next thing you know it’s on the lips of every Republican ratfucker out there. Quit giving them talking points, they can’t think up any on their own.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 08:48 AM

17. I too have felt that.

We've shared joys, sorrows, fears, triumphs and hopes.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 09:00 AM

18. I spoke to a friend yesterday on the phone. He lives in Mesa, a part of Phoenix.

He's 64, and I'm 70. He and his wife have both had both shots, while I haven't been able to get one yet.
He seemed almost apologetic and I told him not to feel that way. I'm happy for him. I'll get mine in due time.
March 17th will be the first anniversary of my isolation. I can handle it.
He hates trump as much as I do.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 09:00 AM

19. Thank you for this post.I've been taken aback by some threads lately.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 09:08 AM

20. The more people who get vaccinated, the less chance of my grandkids getting Covid-19.

My son has been vaccinated. I have not. Thank Gov. Beshear for putting teachers ahead of people like me, who can isolate without causing anyone a hardship.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 09:52 AM

30. I can't say I agreed with the order of things

I, too, thought teachers should have a higher priority in my state. I am just sick about the effects on children from not being able to be in school, and the long term effects.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #30)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 10:07 AM

35. IMO, teachers need to have a vaccination because of repuq policies ...

Because so many essential worker parents cannot afford child care, teachers and schools are their substitute.

The priority onion has to have health care workers at the center, with the next ring out being those who support health care and those most vulnerable to the virus who cannot isolate, e.g., nursing home patients. If schools were not starved for funds and if trustworthy child care were available to every working parent, teachers could conduct classes via network and not be pushed back into crowded classrooms before vaccinations are widely available.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #35)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 10:16 AM

37. It's a big, complicated problem, for sure NT

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 09:16 AM

22. Thank you!

I was shocked at the backlash to the posts about vaccinations. It's true the system isn't fair, but a shot in anyone's arm is a small step towards normal for all of us. I've been thrilled by all the posts from people who have gotten a vaccine. I can't wait until we're all vaccinated.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 09:17 AM

23. It's a form of trolling meant to divide us.

Stop taking the bait.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 09:24 AM

24. Some of the "wedge drivers" are ignorant of the effects of their words, but some are simply

doing what they came here to do,

We all are tempted at times to believe that we have "the" correct approach to a certain issue. Such certainty is only justified---if ever---about events viewed in the rear view mirror.

I think I posted some time ago that "And then what?" was a question too seldom asked. Maybe "You may be right" is a remark too seldom stated.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 09:49 AM

28. Like all of the other negatives of the ongoing pandemic. Divisiveness was baked in...

When distribution was turned over to the individual States and largely privatized.

I'm overjoyed when I hear of people receiving the vaccines. Anybody.

I've even helped others who I know are much higher on the list register to get vaccinated. Because, that's exactly why they are higher on the list. Due to advanced age, access, and other considerations they are more vulnerable than I am.

I'm happy to do it.

But, this is America and as we've seen, people here tend to turn any positive and difference into a wedge. Every effort is a fucking competition with winners/losers and God is assumed to be on the side of the winners.

Vaccination is not a ticket to forget.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 09:57 AM

31. I stand with Hekate!!

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 10:04 AM

33. Thank you, Hekate,

for gently saying what needed to be said.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 10:06 AM

34. Great post

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Response to malaise (Reply #34)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 08:31 PM

47. I second that

Hekate.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 10:29 AM

38. Well said

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:14 AM

39. I'm sorry but it makes me angry

Front line health care worker here, IHS. Yesterday someone here posted that Native Americans have a certain “measure of privilege” because they were able to get the vaccine. I couldn’t fucking believe it!

What does she fucking want? More genocide of a culture? Racism pure and simple. On DU!

Damn right I’m angry Spitting mad
As for myself, I’m 2500 miles away from home working in a clinic for my third year. It’s challenging but this past year I’ve had 8 weeks of quarantine, Rez lockdowns, clinic shutdowns, curfews, police checkpoints, the death of colleagues, the death of patients, loss of pay and loss of sanity.

Now I have to feel guilty for getting a vacs?

Fuck that

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Response to GusBob (Reply #39)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 03:19 PM

43. I hear you loud and clear

Someone ... intends to wound us. It galled me no end that none of those blaming us for their victimhood managed to mention the Orange Monster. Strange, that.

By the way, thank you for the work you are doing. You are saving lives every day.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:22 AM

40. Thank you. This criticism really got to me.

We’ve gutted our way through a godawful year. I’ve tried so hard to deal with the stress of illness and near death, including my own, in isolation from the people I love and places that give me strength. The plague, combined with the monster’s destruction of so much, the racial horrors...I think I held up well until I was sick and hospitalized myself, not COVID but near deadly.

I so needed some view toward the end, some hope. In a time when we’re constantly attacked by the right and the left seems to infight an alarming amount, I thought my vaccine was a symbol of progress, a cause for joy that the dam has broken and we’re on our way out of this unimaginable time of pain.

And yet, inflicting pain seems to be a goal, under the guise of being harmed by another’s—I guess it’s good fortune. I’m not sure being vulnerable to dying is fortune.

I’ve come close to leaving DU over this. But I haven’t. I hold out hope for us too. I need to. We’ve lost too much to throw the rest away.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #40)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:58 AM

41. Yes



I think there is a real intent to wound people under the guise of ... choosing words carefully, because of how mad it’s made me ... our common membership here.

We can’t let that happen.


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Response to nolabear (Reply #40)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 08:26 PM

46. I'm glad you're here, nolabear.

How else am I going to find out if the vaccine tail is prehensile?

Oh, well... That and I'd miss you terribly.

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Response to Hugin (Reply #46)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 09:14 PM

48. It's remarkable. I can hop like a kangaroo!

Best balance ever! I’m hanging in. Life is a bloody roller coaster (the worst kind) right now so I may be a bit hasty in my threats.

Thanks.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 12:17 PM

42. K&R

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