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Sat Feb 27, 2021, 02:22 PM

Is the CPAC stage really a Nazi SS patch design?

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Hami
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Having worked with Norse and Elder Futhark iconography for years, I’m quite alert to the glyph shapes and their associations in the modern world and history.

So, why is the #CPAC2021 stage an Odal rune, and specifically one with serifs (or wings) that was used by the SS?

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Oh look, CPAC using symbols from the SS.





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Reply Is the CPAC stage really a Nazi SS patch design? (Original post)
TheBlackAdder Feb 27 OP
SlogginThroughIt Feb 27 #1
AnotherMother4Peace Feb 27 #5
Yavin4 Feb 27 #34
LetMyPeopleVote Feb 27 #2
speak easy Feb 27 #9
Harker Feb 27 #3
TheBlackAdder Feb 27 #6
Harker Feb 27 #8
Gore1FL Feb 27 #21
Harker Feb 27 #33
peggysue2 Feb 27 #4
TheBlackAdder Feb 27 #26
demigoddess Feb 27 #27
FuzzyRabbit Feb 27 #36
Evolve Dammit Feb 27 #38
Cracklin Charlie Feb 27 #7
Arazi Feb 27 #10
Ferrets are Cool Feb 27 #11
mcar Feb 27 #12
Blue Owl Feb 27 #13
Grasswire2 Feb 27 #14
Mr.Bill Feb 27 #15
AZSkiffyGeek Feb 27 #17
AZSkiffyGeek Feb 27 #18
Mr.Bill Feb 27 #20
leighbythesea2 Feb 27 #19
wnylib Feb 27 #24
Mr.Bill Feb 27 #40
JHB Feb 27 #25
Mr.Bill Feb 27 #41
LanternWaste Feb 27 #43
paleotn Feb 27 #30
Mr.Bill Feb 27 #42
Salviati Feb 27 #16
Rural_Progressive Feb 27 #35
Jilly_in_VA Feb 27 #22
joe_stampingbull Feb 27 #23
paleotn Feb 27 #28
ancianita Feb 27 #29
TxGuitar Feb 27 #31
Rural_Progressive Feb 27 #37
IronLionZion Feb 27 #32
LetMyPeopleVote Feb 27 #39
LetMyPeopleVote Feb 27 #44
druidity33 Feb 27 #45
Nululu Feb 27 #46
EndlessWire Feb 27 #47

Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 02:25 PM

1. Maybe. But there are better examples of GQP being fascist nazis.

 

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 02:42 PM

5. It's the titillating decoder ring, secret society stuff the cult loves.

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 05:00 PM

34. "But there are better examples of GQP being fascist nazis."

Like everything that they say and do. Don't need to be an iconography expert.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 02:26 PM

2. trump supporters are all Nazis and right wing nut cases

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Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 03:08 PM

9. Coincidence; Pure coincidence :sarcasm:

America’s white supremacists ban swastika ...

THEY burn crosses, worship the swastika and associate with figures in white hoods, but don’t tell America’s predominant neo-Nazi party it’s racist. “We are not racist, and I do not like that term,” Jeff Schoep tells news.com.au.

The commander of the National Socialist Movement — described as the party “for every patriotic white American” — has a brand new reason to protest the point.

His party is about to do something it has never done. It is making a run at the mainstream, and it is even banning the swastika. Gone. Banished from uniforms that haven’t changed since the 1960s, well before the commander joined the ranks as a 19-year-old. In a statement on the NSM website earlier this month, Mr Schoep called it a “slight re-branding”.

... nobody wants a neo-Nazi in the halls of parliament. That’s a step too far, according to Mr Schoep. The Odal rune, a less-well-known Nazi Germany symbol, will take the place of the swastika on all official uniforms and banners.

Mr Schoep says it’s a gentler approach to preaching the same messages.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/americas-white-supremacists-ban-swastika-in-bold-attempt-to-go-mainstream/news-story/53f68100ba52a1e33b13cf25b794d028

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 02:31 PM

3. Yes.

For me, the red triangle on the floor really drives home the intentionality of it.

It was also symbolic of the racial purity branch of the Nazi state.

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Response to Harker (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 02:42 PM

6. Wow! Two symbols. This was definitely designed into the stage.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 02:59 PM

8. I meant that the triangle defines the runic symbol

rather than was a symbol in itself.

Poorly worded by me.

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Response to Harker (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:14 PM

21. Interestingly the red triangle is, itself, a symbol too.

Nazis used the red triangle to mark political prisoners and people who rescued Jews. The Trump campaign used it in ads in 2020.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/18/880377872/facebook-removes-trump-political-ads-with-nazi-symbol-campaign-calls-it-an-emoji

Whether it was intentional, or not, I don't know. It is clear the far right of this country seems to be into this sort of iconography, so it's plausible that it's there on purpose.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:56 PM

33. I had completely forgotten about that.

I appreciate your mentioning it.

Attributing the worst motive in this case feels pretty safe.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 02:40 PM

4. These people know exactly what they're doing

It's no mistake or coincidence that this Nazi and other white nationalist symbols and signs are being used.

For the blissfully ignorant, there will be excuses and denial.

For the rest of us? We can't say we weren't warned.

This movement is dangerous and evil.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:33 PM

26. Even the big square is larger than the two legs, like the patch. That hole risks people falling down

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It's not a practical stage for those who like to wander while speaking.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:37 PM

27. they are people trying to set up a dictatorship. full stop.

and their base is Nazis

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Response to demigoddess (Reply #27)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 05:11 PM

36. They are indeed trying to establish a dictatorship.

They already have many of the Republican congressmen (and women) working toward this goal. Why else would they refuse to condemn the Jan 6 insurrection?

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Response to demigoddess (Reply #27)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 05:15 PM

38. sure as hell looks that way. White supremecy has been resurrected, encouraged and the flame fanned.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 02:44 PM

7. Yes.

One of many they utilize.

Needs more attention.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 03:09 PM

10. Yes, no question. The Republican party is now white supremacist hate group

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 03:11 PM

11. They aren't hiding anything anymore. It's been right there in our faces, but this is

just smearing our faces in it. The Party of Fascism.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 03:12 PM

12. This is not accidental

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 03:38 PM

13. Nazi scum

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 03:58 PM

14. remember the stage motif at Mt. Rushmore?

Totally sieg heil.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:02 PM

15. The only thing that bothers me is that photo

of the German soldier is the only example of that symbol I've ever seen on a Nazi uniform. I've studied very much about Nazis in WWII and seen thousands of photos and never seen that symbol. It also looks photoshopped to me, although I am no expert in that area. The symbol itself and the border around the patch is brighter than the patch on the other collar. I could be wrong, and I'm not disputing that it is an actual rune.

Edit: A Google search for Nazi runes does show that it was used by the Nazis in WWII. But it also shows the Peace symbol from the 60s, without the circle was the Nazi rune for death. So, who knows?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runic_insignia_of_the_Schutzstaffel

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:09 PM

17. I've definitely seen the rune in white supremacist places

But I've always just assumed it was some appropriated Viking imagery, kinda like that Q Shaman dipshit.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:11 PM

18. I did just find this - so an SS unit used it...

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:12 PM

20. Yes, see my edited post. n/t

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:11 PM

19. Pixel size

And direction. If could get an image to look closer at, might tell. Not saying the symbol isn't a rune. But i see what you are saying too, good to check things out.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:29 PM

24. You might not have seen it before

before because of its limited use by ethnic Germans in countries outside of Germany who joined the SS as a separate division.

You can find a Wkipedia article on it if you use the search words "odal rune, nazi." Scroll down to the modern usage section where its use by Nazis is explained, along with its use by modern neo Nazis.

ON EDIT: I see that someone else has posted a Wikipedia link.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 05:40 PM

40. I did find it on Wikipedia.

See my edited post.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:32 PM

25. The proportions are wrong for the peace symbol

In the peace symbol, the "toes" radiate downward from the center and all spokes are of equal length:


In the Tod rune, they branch out about 3/4 down the length of the central stroke, and consequently are proportionately shorter when the reach the "ground."

They're not the same, and that can be important when you're dealing with basic geometric shapes.

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Response to JHB (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 05:42 PM

41. You are correct. Not exact but similar. n/t

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #41)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 06:28 PM

43. Not similar by any stretch.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:44 PM

30. Oh, please. Upside down and without the circle is totally not a peace symbol.

But, symbols or no symbols, they're all fascist trash by any reasonable definition.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 05:43 PM

42. I didn't mention anything about upside down. n/t

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:03 PM

16. I mean, it is, the only question is was it intentional.

and if it was an accident, then the next question is why is it that these "accidental" Nazi references continually happen to the republican party?

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Response to Salviati (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 05:11 PM

35. Here's my read on that

If it was an accident the very first day when people pointed out the resemblance there would have been carpenters building inserts that would have turned the stage into a more conventional appearance.

Then there's the fact that none of the usual white supremacist, neo-Nazi aholes are denying the accusations of this being a representation of the Odal Rune.

T***p has stripped the camouflage off the republican party. By supporting him and his run to become the strong man dictator they have longed for these many years they can no longer hide behind their facade of fiscally responsible, socially conservative, personal responsibility BS. We are now seeing them for what they have always stood and longed for and it ain't pretty.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:19 PM

22. Looks like it to me

some neighbors flew a flag with that design for awhile. It mysteriously disappeared and now they're back to the Confederate battle flag. I have an insane desire to sneak up on it with a blowtorch some night......

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:28 PM

23. Find out who designed the stage

Does anyone know? And who approved it?

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:41 PM

28. That's not an accident or a coincidence.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:42 PM

29. Some reporter should ask Matt Sclapp, head of the ACU, who designed, approved and paid for it.

Then the reporters should ask the same questions to Ric Grenell, Mike Pompeo, Devin Nunes, Lauren Boebert, Kristi Noem and McCarthy, who are all on today's speaking schedule.

We mustn't forget that the Republicans, trumpcult and FMF45 are in full campaign mode. Considering how the ACU presents itself to the public, this looks like fodder for our side -- that at worst they've become "adjacent" to alt-right neonazi hate groups, and at best, forgotten their conservative roots -- over the entire next two years of their campaign to take back their branches of government.

This photo needs to hit mainstream media.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:46 PM

31. who cares if it is intentional or not?

Say that it is and make them own it or deny it. what would they do to Dems if the roles were reversed?

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Response to TxGuitar (Reply #31)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 05:12 PM

37. Looks like they're owning it cause they sure aren't denying it

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:48 PM

32. It's too odd of a stage design to be an accident

and it seems like a risky choice since they can fall off while walking

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 09:28 PM

44. trump supporters are all Nazis and right wing nut cases

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 09:43 PM

45. I refer you to this thread at dKos...

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/2/26/2018354/-Why-the-Odal-Othala-Rune-Used-By-CPAC-is-100-Explicitly-a-Nazi-Symbol?utm_campaign=trending

"As I write this, historians are publishing more information on Twitter confirming the uniquely Nazi form of the rune. I have conversed with two authors who publish peer-reviewed books and papers on early Anglo-Saxon art, symbols and weapons. Neither of them is comfortable saying definitively that NOBODY but the Nazis used the Odal with “branches” or serifs — but both agree there is NO early Medieval/Iron Age usage of that symbol."

seems cut and dried.



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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 10:54 PM

46. Yes. Announcing their change to Naziism

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 11:35 PM

47. It looks deliberate to me.

Plus, they chose to have a golden statue of Trump. They are just not hiding it anymore.

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