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Tue Feb 23, 2021, 10:42 AM

The 2nd most frightening political statistic I've seen: Majority of Republican voters blame Antifa

for staging the insurrection at the Capital last month (with a smattering of Trump supporters in the crowd.) If that many million Americans can be convinced that lie is true, after the mob was broadcast live on national television, they can be convinced to believe anything. Unlike "the original sin" of Trump's Big Lie about a stolen election, which was predicted by Trump a thousands times before election day, and then peddled as stone cold truth by him a thousand times after the election, it took very little prepping to get Republican voters to swallow whole the lie that Antifa led the invasion of Congress.

Trump spent 50 million dollars to get his supporters to come to DC on January 6th. Republican voters were the ones bombarded by Trump's call to turn out en masse to "Stop The Steal", and yet they are willing to believe that a shadowy group called Antifa dominated that crowd in disguise? No wonder Republican politicians and GOP operatives have moved on from simply spinning facts and selectively editing data to the complete fabrication of an evidence free alternate reality.It is so much more efficient to make up anything they want.

The most frightening politician statistic that I'm still trying to come to terms with is that a majority of Republican members of Congress actually voted to overturn the certified results of a presidential election held in six states that didn't vote the way they wanted them to, in order to elect the candidate of their choice instead.

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Reply The 2nd most frightening political statistic I've seen: Majority of Republican voters blame Antifa (Original post)
Tom Rinaldo Feb 2021 OP
Beakybird Feb 2021 #1
StClone Feb 2021 #2
Tom Rinaldo Feb 2021 #3
StClone Feb 2021 #5
uponit7771 Feb 2021 #4
Botany Feb 2021 #6
Hugh_Lebowski Feb 2021 #7
Tom Rinaldo Feb 2021 #12
Hugh_Lebowski Feb 2021 #15
JonLP24 Feb 2021 #19
Hugh_Lebowski Feb 2021 #20
JonLP24 Feb 2021 #21
Hugh_Lebowski Feb 2021 #22
Tom Rinaldo Feb 2021 #23
Ocelot II Feb 2021 #8
The Magistrate Feb 2021 #9
Tom Rinaldo Feb 2021 #13
samnsara Feb 2021 #10
Ponietz Feb 2021 #11
TheRealNorth Feb 2021 #17
comradebillyboy Feb 2021 #14
OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2021 #16
LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2021 #18
yardwork Feb 2021 #24

Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 10:46 AM

1. Well at least they insist that if it was Antifa, that it "wasn't an armed insurrection."

Definite cognitive dissonance.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 10:48 AM

2. Is that not how propaganda works?

Using people's own mindset, prejudices, and inability to use logic to sway them away from reality? They want to be entertained (as to their beliefs) and to see some one espousing that which goes with their ideas even if wrong. It's very magical! As in magical thinking...lies, untruths, delusion..and dangerous.

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Response to StClone (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 10:52 AM

3. Yes it is. The scary part is how easy it is substitute utterly outlandish lies

for starkly obvious truth in the minds of the susceptible, and how many minds dwell in that latter category.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 10:57 AM

5. It is obvious! But with social media and "our own media" funneling people...

...on to more distant isles of alternate beliefs. They keep getting the lies they want to hear...rinse out the truth and repeat.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 10:54 AM

4. More proof democrats need a messaging network as established as MAGA Media

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 10:58 AM

6. At stake in Senate hearing Tuesday: The story of the Capitol riot, and who is responsible

The Truth will come out starting today. If or if not the brain dead Fox News watchers believe it is
a question. Funny on how all those "Antifa people" had all those Trump flags.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/capitol-riot-trump-senate/2021/02/22/abd53038-7527-11eb-8115-9ad5e9c02117_story.html

But Tuesday’s hearing before members of two Senate committees could also become a battleground for competing narratives over what prompted the riot and who was responsible for it — a question that has become even more pointed following former president Donald Trump’s acquittal on an impeachment charge earlier this month.

Trump’s allies in Congress and beyond have sought to downplay Trump’s role in gathering his supporters in Washington and spreading the false claim that he, not President Biden, won the November election — facts that led to bipartisan impeachment proceedings. Instead, they have sought to blame lapses by Capitol security officials — and the congressional leaders they report to — for the building’s invasion.

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“This is a moment to get the actual facts about what happened at the Capitol,” she (Sen. Amy Klobuchar) said. “The issues we identify and the answers we get are part of the solution, so this isn’t just about throwing popcorn at a movie screen to try to get sound bites. We actually have to make decisions in the coming months.”

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While neither Irving nor Stenger has addressed the matter directly, a former Capitol security official who spoke to The Washington Post last month at Irving’s request relayed that Irving dismissed Sund’s request to place National Guard troops on call, citing the “optics” of stationing uniformed military personnel at the seat of federal government.



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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 10:58 AM

7. I think it's a little more complicated than that ...

When they say the 'blame' Antifa, or that they are 'responsible', the respondents don't necessarily believe that Antifa was the ones there doing it.

Many of them actually know who was there doing it, but they think the actions of Antifa and BLM over the summer ... vandalizing the courthouse in Portland and such ... justify and excuse ... what happened on Jan 6.

It's a 'well, the other side did it first and we can't let their side win' type of justification.

Not all of course but I guarantee a fair % of them who answered 'Antifa is to blame' answered it that way on the grounds I said above. I've seen them do so online.

It is still frightening though. And what the RePuQ's did re: the election is worse indeed.

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Response to Hugh_Lebowski (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 11:40 AM

12. I can't find the reporting I originally saw, but looked at cross tabs from a YouGov poll

They asked the question:

"Do you think Antifa was involved in the takeover of the Capitol building?"

69% of Republicans answered "Yes"

They also asked:

"How much responsibility does President Trump have for the takeover of the Capitol?"

53% or Republicans said "None". Only 8% of Republicans said "A lot."
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/4yijjbkc2z/econTabReport.pdf

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 11:57 AM

15. Do you think they were involved is inherently vague

That, in someone's mind who WANTS to blame it on someone else, is an open invitation to fabricate some reason to accuse them of involvement.

"The people who did it were mad about what BLM/Antifa did over the summer!"

Boom ... Antifa is now 'involved'.

My evidence is anecdotal but I've seen them doing this in a FB forum I peruse.

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Response to Hugh_Lebowski (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 02:13 PM

19. I don't think it is

Many on camera directly blame Antifa. I was watching The Circus and they covered Trump's Texas rally after the insurrection and they weren't giving that level of nuance.

There was also a teacher that directly blamed antifa.

I have a bad feeling 20 years from now I will still be arguing who really won the 2020 election and who really stormed the Capitol.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 02:19 PM

20. Well, I know people who 'blame Antifa' but don't think Antifa actually did it

I guarantee you depending on how the question was asked, these people would answer that way.

How many such people are included in any particular survey, I'm not sure. But there are these people.

I'm also sure there are many who are completely duped (if you could call it that) and think the insurrection really was a bunch of uncover Antifa out to make IQ45 look bad.

Total fucking liars and/or morons, IOW.

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Response to Hugh_Lebowski (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 02:27 PM

21. Even when it comes to the both sides excuse

Proud Boys showed up in Portland for the protests and many of them came from outside Portland. The Boogaloo Bois set a Minneapolis police station on fire plus they are known for killing cops. There was also the plot to kidnap Whitmer and they stormed the Michigan State Capitol.

They also stormed the Oregon & Idaho Capitols.

https://deadline.com/2020/12/armed-protesters-enter-oregon-state-capitol-building-assault-police-chemical-agent-1234660385/


Ammon Bundy, 3 others arrested at Idaho Capitol on trespassing charges
https://www.idahopress.com/news/local/ammon-bundy-3-others-arrested-at-idaho-capitol-on-trespassing-charges/article_7dbf7efa-f703-5fc2-b4e9-477f1a2dbe87.html

There was also the Charlottesville rally which ended with a counter-protestor dead and several others injured.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 02:58 PM

22. I feel what you're saying, but the subject I'm addressing is just

'why do these people answer like they do'.

I'm not arguing it freaking 'makes sense'

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Response to Hugh_Lebowski (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 03:40 PM

23. I found the poll I was looking for. It's pretty straight forward

It's a USA Today poll:

"Most Trump voters embrace a version of events on Jan. 6 that has been debunked by independent fact checkers and law enforcement agencies.

Asked to describe what happened during the assault on the Capitol, 58% of Trump voters call it "mostly an antifa-inspired attack that only involved a few Trump supporters." That's more than double the 28% who call it "a rally of Trump supporters, some of whom attacked the Capitol." Four percent call it "an attempted coup inspired by President Trump."

Find it half way down this page, under the sub headline "Embracing an untruth: antifa's role":
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/02/21/exclusive-trump-party-he-still-holds-loyalty-gop-voters/6765406002/

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 10:59 AM

8. It might not be quite as bad as it seems - voters who now identify as GOP

are less than 30% of all voters. https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

It's still bad, though.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 10:59 AM

9. More Doublethink, Sir, Than Conviction, I Suspect

It seems to me people answering 'yes' when asked if the election was stolen do not really believe it was, but are declaring they won't accept the verdict of the ballot box, and want their guy kept in office, no matter what.

People saying 'it was antifa' when asked who stormed the Capitol probably don't actually think this, but are declaring people like them ought not be punished for doing what they themselves wanted done.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 11:42 AM

13. Could well be. Honestly, I don't know which interpretation I think would be worse

It's nice to have you back here

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 11:05 AM

10. 'Antifa' (which doesnt exist) would have masked up....

...plus the insurrectionists left lots of DNA in various disgusting but easily traced forms.
































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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 11:13 AM

11. Axiomatic: bad faith and an intention to overthrow Democratic government

What they're really saying is they will never again cede power if they regain the presidency--
and, if they control the House and Senate in 2024 they will refuse to certify a Democratic President-elect.

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:50 PM

17. This is my fear as well...

Our choice may very well be quiet acquiescence or aggressive resistance.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 11:52 AM

14. Then they should support prosecuting the insurrectionists

to the maximum extent of the law.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:05 PM

16. Heh....

That would seem to be the logical conclusion to reach. Then, when every "antifa" insurrectionist is put on trial, we finally can get the inside story on this mysterious group that looks and acts like your typical Trump humper.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 02:08 PM

18. These voters are all idiots

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 05:37 PM

24. Makes me furious.

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