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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThose Outrageously High Texas Utility Bills
were probably generated automatically by a computer algorithm. They won't stand, but, meanwhile, lots of people had them automatically taken out of bank accounts or credit cards. Correcting that is going to take a long, complicated process, I suspect.
First, the Texas state legislature is going to have to pass a bill, which will have to be signed by the state's idiot governor. Then, whatever entity charged those outrageous prices will have to refund their customers. Meanwhile, however, the customers are royally screwed with their banks and credit card companies, which are also completely automated.
More reason for people to reject Abbot and the Republican legislators in Texas.
yardwork
(61,585 posts)MineralMan
(146,281 posts)They know who is responsible.
yardwork
(61,585 posts)I'm seeing videos of people who are convinced that the Rothschilds manufactured this storm.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Except for NetFlix
Which is a tiny bill I was always forgetting.
ananda
(28,854 posts)Except for streaming tv, I pay all bills by the month.
drray23
(7,627 posts)I dont use autopay and also never pay from the company website. I dont want them to retain my payment info and start automatically debit the money.
XanaDUer2
(10,626 posts)I refuse autopay. My water authority wants autodraft; I still mail a check.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)I have had the same supply of checks for probably 5 years.
I send a payment from my screen.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)c-rational
(2,590 posts)need not have been. Maybe I am getting wiser to the reThuglican playbook, but their lies about the cause of this is disgraceful, including the cover they get from corpoRat media.
dalton99a
(81,426 posts)MineralMan
(146,281 posts)dalton99a
(81,426 posts)Nothing lasts forever. Trump's reign of terror didn't last forever
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)are asking themselves some serious questions right now. Not the right-wing creeps, of course, but others.
ret5hd
(20,486 posts)with people that signed contracts for their electrical service that based their rates on the wholesale price of electricity. I don't know how granular this pricing is (weekly, daily, minutely, secondly?) but let's say daily. They agreed to these because the rates were slightly lower per kWh...during normal times. They essentially put themselves in the same "market" as the big-boy wholesale energy traders, but without the same abilities to hedge. Not a smart move, IMO.
I read a news story yesterday that one of these companies had been contacting their customers and telling them to find another provider NOW. Not tomorrow...NOW! They stated their reasoning was they would be better off in the long run by being honest with their customers.
Most people (our household included) have a contract that specified a price per kWh. Those bills were unaffected. I checked ours online yesterday and it was high compared to most months...but the heater was working harder also. But definitely not bankruptcy numbers. Not even close.
I don't know what the answer is. They gambled and lost...but don't deserve THAT.
on edit: I see someone else has mentioned this:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215140216
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)that way. Surprise! However, this unexpected spike was not in anyone's mind at all. Something will have to be done to correct the situation, or those companies who are brokering those "wholesale" pricing schemes are going to be going broke soon.
We pay monthly, directly to our utility company, which is regulated by the state of Minnesota. Nothing like this could happen with our billing. I understand that the people who signed up for the "wholesale" scheme did so to try to save money. They made a mistake, but were not warned that something like this disaster might occur. Unfortunately, probably the automatic charges were probably required when they signed up.
It's never a good idea to allow anyone to automatically withdraw funds that are not fixed in nature.
ret5hd
(20,486 posts)And suddenly interest rates shot to obscene levels?
That scenario sounds kinda familiar for some reason. Some went bankrupt and lost their homes.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)However, with the energy thing, we're talking about 1000% increase or more. Not exactly the same.
dlk
(11,537 posts)As they saying goes, people dont change until they have to. Until Republicans are voted out of office, Texans will continue to be exploited. Too many billionaires are raking in the dough and they fully intend to keep it that way.
Autumn
(45,012 posts)The problem is many other providers wouldn't take the ones who tried. They were warned. They also know what they were signing up for. Cheap rates with money back when energy was cheap and the knowledge when and if energy prices would go up, so would their bills. It's a risk that they knowingly gambled on and they lost.
https://6abc.com/griddy-gridy-texas-power-bills-what-is-energy/10350795/
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/energy/2021/02/16/electricity-retailer-griddys-unusual-plea-to-texas-customers-leave-now-before-you-get-a-big-bill/
Griddy, however, is in a different position. Its service is simple and controversial. Members pay a $9.99 monthly fee and then pay the cost of spot power traded on Texass power grid based on the time of day they use it. Earlier this month, that meant customers were saving money and at times even getting paid to use electricity at night. But in recent days, the cost of their power has soared from about 5 to 6 cents a kilowatt-hour to $1 or more. Thats when Fallquist knew it was time to urge his customers to leave.
I can tell you it was probably one of the hardest decisions weve ever made, he said. Nobody ever wants to see customers go.
Griddy isnt the only one out there actively encouraging its customers to leave. People were posting similar pleas on Twitter over the holiday weekend from other Texas retail power providers offering everything from $100 rebates to waived cancellation fees as incentives to switch.
Customers may not even be able to switch. Rizwan Nabi, president of energy consultancy Riz Energy in Houston, said several power providers in Texas have told him they arent accepting new customers due to this weeks volatile prices.
Hector Torres, an energy trader in Texas, who is a Griddy customer himself, said he tried to switch services over the long weekend but couldnt find a company willing to take him until Wednesday, when the weather is forecast to turn warmer.
drray23
(7,627 posts)The people that are affected are few. The company offering this scheme where you pay wholesale price for the electricity only had 29,000 or so customers. It is for sure making the news however so it might have some effect.
I think AOC and Beto raising money and helping Texans will have a greater impact.
Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)NSF fees, late charges, possible repossessions/eviction notices, all in the name of freedumb.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)He says that the federal government should just cover those bills. We can have energy companies taking it in the shorts, and people shouldn't lose their homes just because the dice finally came up snake eyes this month. So let's have the American taxpayer pay for every last overpriced erg of electricity. Oh, and keep your federal regulation out of the Texas energy scheme! Now, when can the One Star State expect payment, hmmmm?