I dunno know about anyone else here, but I fully expect Ryan's youth and vigor to prove

[LaydeeBug]

too much for Old Joe to take. All that P90X. He's *got* this. In fact, if Ryan doesn't CINCH this thing tonight, it clearly shows the GOP is in disarray. There's NO WAY Paul can lose this.

I expect that Ryan will win this HANDILY. I think Ryan will talk about his budget the same way he talks about his marathon time, and his mountain climbing, and they will declare him a winner. In fact, if he doesn't show he can HANDILY defeat JOE BIDEN, he is showing he CLEARLY unfit for office. *ANY* office.

#dontletthemmakeourexpectationstoohighbecausethentheywinandyouknowit

[HERVEPA]

1. How many more of these Rethuglican cheerleading threads do you think you can get way with?

[Kber]

3. I thought it was playing the expectations game?

[LaydeeBug]

15. shhhh!

[Puzzledtraveller]

21. It's to make it all that much better when Ryan chokes. n/t

[LaydeeBug]

22. Oh, *I* don't expect Ryan to *choke*, I expect him WIN HANDILY

anything less than that shows the entire GOP is in disarray.

ALL of them, even downticket.

[renie408]

25. I actually and seriously DON'T think Ryan will choke. He is a believer.

Unlike Romney, who doesn't appear to believe anything, Ryan BELIEVES his own press. He really does think he is the economic genius boy wonder of the Republican party. I think he will be earnestly and sincerely batshit nuts. I am hoping that people recognize the crazy when they see it.

[speedoo]

2. YAWN.

Your act is getting very old.

[LaydeeBug]

10. Have a nap if you're sleepy.

[april]

4. he will just lie..and smile

[LaydeeBug]

17. yep. and if if he can't beat Biden with all that lying and all that smiling...

it is clear the GOP is in disarray

[Fresh_Start]

5. since when are the qualifications for office youth and vigor?

I think deception and abuse of office should completely disqualify him

[tblue]

12. I think

this was intended tongue in cheek.

[LaydeeBug]

16. Since Lyin Ryan turned his skeleton into titanium just before he ran a 3 hour marathon

and then climbed *EVERY* mountain.

I expect a CLEAR, leave Biden on the floor cryin' for his Mommy win.

Anything LESS than that shows Romney has lost the hearts and minds of his base.

[Angry Dragon]

6. Lyan Ryan is just one more empty headed republican

[LaydeeBug]

14. Mitt lied *his* ass off, and they called that "Victory". With that kinda momentum, there is NO WAY

Ryan should lock this all up tonight and have us all crying in our cheerios tomorrow.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

8. Thanks for playing. Welcome to IGNORE!!

[LaydeeBug]

11. Oh, Gosh, however will I get through the day? lol

[renie408]

24. I got it :)

[randome]

35. A lot of us got it. Strange that so many didn't.

[LaydeeBug]

36. I just wish for once, we'd put the burden on THEM instead of allowing them to raise the pie higher.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

40. The problem with that is they really and truly suck.

So, we have cable news, a ratings driven industry, and every other for profit source out there to some extent, constantly creating fake controversy. If they didn't they'd have no meat. When they do they sway the very core of our countries political system. But hey, they're making ratings and racking in the dough. What else matters?

[LaydeeBug]

42. the problem is WE let that same sucky est set the parameters of "win" to mean 'showing up' for their

side and 'a MUST WIN', a 'if Biden doesn't win it will never stop their momentum and all is lost' for ours.

It's bullshit. We should be playing the hand we're dealt instead of sticking our heads in the sand and just not watching.

That is how they win. That is how Al Gore 'said he invented the internet'. (aside: no he didn't) That is how Dean's scream gets done. It's bullshit.

We need to play the hand we're dealt and relentlessly.

If Paul Ryan doesn't win this debate HANDS DOWN, it will be clear that the GOP is in disarray.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

44. Oh, hell yes! I like what you're saying from your soapbox!!

First of all, you're 100% correct. Hands down, no argument in the right of it.

Now, what do we do about it? Don't say "the Democratic party/surrogates need to debunk this, because they do. And the are ignored because that's not what "sells papers" in this day and age.

I think we should boycott the asinine media (and i use that term lightly) sources which spread this propaganda BS. Unsubscribe, turn them off, and send them letters letting them know why they're now dead to us. Then we send letters to their sponsors explaining the same. Instead we keep watching/reading them and literally begging them for fairness. Guess what? It doesn't work. They need us, our viewership, our money to their sponsors a lot more than we need them. Hell, we need a hole in the head more than we need them!

So, what's the solution in your opinion?

[tblue]

9. Yes. He is a master(de)batter!

He is young and strong and expectations should be shy high. Anything less and he's toast, finished, shrinkled up, flaccid, vaporized, and melted like a wet Wicked Witch of the West. As for Biden, huge handicap. If he stays on his feet and doesn't drool, he wins.

[LaydeeBug]

13. absolutely. You could not be more correct, that is EXACTLY right.

He should be able to do this with no trouble whatsoever.

[JNelson6563]

18. Some years ago, Red Wings vs. Hurricanes

Really showed the importance of being older/wiser over younger/dumber.

Sir Stanley went to the Wings. Oh Snap!

Julie

[pinboy3niner]

19. I didn't think it was too subtle at all

Guess I was wrong. Wow!

[LaydeeBug]

20. you are ambiguous...

and Paul Ryan is running a two hour marathon right now...just for practice.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

31. While carrying sack of cement no less!!

And humming the Rocky theme song!

[LaydeeBug]

32. He is humming ALL of the Rocky Theme Songs at once, because THAT'S how good he is

I think he *is* the EYE OF THE TIGER, and scaling Mt. Kilimanjaro for laffs before he even shows up.

If he doesn't win HANDILY, it is clear he is unfit for office.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

34. Any gains we achieve against such a formidable opponent will be hard earned, indeed!

Of course, if we can gain anything against this near god like like example of the GOP, then it's clear he's unfit for office!

[LaydeeBug]

38. absolutely! I COMPLETELY EXPECT that young, virile, marathon running mountain climber to

teach us a thing or two about modern debate. With the formidable momentum of last week's debate, there is NO WAY, old Joe Biden, elderly, gaffe prone old geezer stands a chance against Mr. Wonderful.

Why if I see anything less than that, I will be shocked, and honestly, it should cause everyone to question whether or the GOP is fit for any office.

ANY. office.

[uppityperson]

23. I usually get dry humor but missed this. Thank you for continuing to reply to make it clear

[LaydeeBug]

26. To listen to the media right now, they are NON STOP, "Biden NEEDS to 'blow this out of the water'

**AND** somehow make up for Romney lying his ass off'" or it is a clear depiction of the impending doom of the Democratic Party.

And many here are PLAYING RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT INTO THAT MEME

*MANY*

[uppityperson]

28. I haven't watched or listened and I agree, too many here are. Ah well, thanks for clarifying

as I missed it.

[LaydeeBug]

33. Right now, the standard is thus: Joe Biden has to retroactively win the President's last debate AND

eviscerate Paul Ryan at the same time, without sounding too mean, mind you, and Congressman Ryan has to "not be Sarah Palin", and OUR OWN SIDE is playing RIGHT into that shit.

FUCK THAT.

I fully expect Paul Ryan's manly physique to win the day over little ole "Bumbling Joe" and I don't give a rat's ass who knows it.

[Sherman A1]

27. Dan Quayle

Will probably not fair too well in tonite's debate.

[backscatter712]

29. I'll say it again - Biden's gonna tear Ryan a new one!

Biden's got far more experience, he's not afraid to throw punches, and he's probably the smartest man in Washington. He's been doing debates for longer than many of us have been alive, and he shows no signs of age slowing him down.

And after that first debate between Rmoney and Obama, I expect there's very little in the way of social norms that would hold him back from really ripping into Ryan.

[easttexaslefty]

30. Exactly!

[Marrah_G]

37. lowering expectations?

[LaydeeBug]

39. Mine can't get any lower. Did you see those work out pics? There's NO WAY joe Biden, elderly old Joe

Biden stands a chance.

If Paul Ryan can't win this debate HANDS DOWN, it is clear Congressman Ryan is unfot for office.

ANY office.

[LiberalElite]

41. Unfit for anything

Ryan is unfit for any kind of office except for, in a hypothetical Romney administration - the newly created Department of Fibs, Half-Truths and Outright Slander.

[LaydeeBug]

43. Welcome to DU LiberalElite. nt

[Ellipsis]

45. have some

[LaydeeBug]

46. Thanks, I would, but you seem to have missed the point entirely.

[B Calm]

47. Looks like you were wrong. Joe kicked ass!

[Ichingcarpenter]

48. LOL!!!!!!!!!