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Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:25 PM

Fox/WSJ Pure Evil - Frozen Wind Turbine Lies

Fox, WSJ and conservatives take advantage of winter storms to tell lies about wind turbines/renewable energy. How are we supposed to combat climate change with such aggressive support of fossil-fuel industry lies?

A current focus is Texas where frozen wind turbines are being blamed for power outages, but the state’s independent, outdated grid and unreliable natural gas generation are the real cause.

See facts here.

There needs to be SERIOUS pushback against these dangerous lies!

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Response to PNW-Dem (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:30 PM

1. From what I'm reading it's many things

But overall this is a freak storm, and we as a whole have not been willing to shoulder the costs of building a robust and redundant power grid.

It's not just Texas either, look at all of CA's struggles.

With climate change looming, the whole country needs to wake up and bolster our infrastructure. While we are at it, we can work to secure it from human sabotage - it is a big soft target for enemies foreign and domestic

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Response to PNW-Dem (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:37 PM

2. Everything I read did not blame wind turbines as the major contributor. In fact, one source

 

reported that 23% of Texas energy is from wind. I find that extremely encouraging, although half of them supposedly froze up in this storm. I would think it would be relatively easy to take precautions in future.

I did not read FOX reports. I don't doubt they blamed everything from wind turbines to Obama.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:21 PM

9. Texas didn't have the cold weather packages installed.

Turbines can have heated gearboxes and leading edges, but it's an extra cost when purchased. They rolled the dice and got snake eyes.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:24 PM

11. Thanks. I figured there had to be something with all the turbines up north and in Europe.

 

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Response to PNW-Dem (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:45 PM

3. Ask them how those of us in Iowa get about 40% of our

power from wind and don't have frozen turbines....

There are turbines that are built for the cold and have heating systems to keep them from freezing. It's no surprise that the turbines in Texas were not equipped with this option.

To say that wind energy is inherently unreliable because of a regional design difference is, indeed, dishonest.


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Response to PNW-Dem (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:47 PM

4. Some shit heel who fancies himself a "debater" is spreading the same nonsense close to home ahem

 

Such a clown show.

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Response to PNW-Dem (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:50 PM

5. If they were worried about coal, they'd ask why the UK imports theirs from Russia instead of USA.

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Response to PNW-Dem (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:05 PM

6. the Wind Turbine industry needs to sue fox for bullshit.

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Response to samsingh (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:13 PM

7. This should be the method going forward

After all was said and done, Dominion suing for billions had the biggest impact in all the post Jan6 ruckus. Money talks.

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Response to PNW-Dem (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:15 PM

8. I think there are also other issues....

Like Texas not being integrated into the National energy grid and a higher reliance on electricity for heating (hence higher demand at the same time you are having issues generating electricity).

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Response to PNW-Dem (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:23 PM

10. It is a fundamental of Engineering Design

That we only design for the conditions we are likely to experience. All code requirements are essentially statistical representations of what an object might experience in its lifetime. They could have been designed with the same features as wind turbines installed further north but the people making that decision didn't expect to see those temperatures in Texas. Perhaps they were wrong to make that assumption but this seems pretty damn out of the ordinary to me.

Sometimes Mother Nature surprises us.

We have the ability to anticipate potential extremes in all cases but you can quickly overdesign to the point of pricing yourself out of viability. Especially since cold isn't the only potential extreme. To be truly resilient, an object would have to be designed for extremes of all kinds including heat, wind, flood, earthquake, etc.

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