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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums❤️❤️** Thread#2****Day 2 - TRUMP INSURRECTION ******🇺🇸
Thread #1 with links to PBS and CSPAN
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15083966
Iwasthere
(3,158 posts)The msnbc livenewschat/politics is not working correctly.
mucifer
(23,535 posts)Marthe48
(16,941 posts)I'll try this
Marthe48
(16,941 posts)except when the commericals are on.
MuseRider
(34,105 posts)I just came inside to eat something and checked and there you are, as always.
Going to go see what is up. I saw a thread about Eric Swalwell saying blistering things....cannot wait to read that.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... to me they can just say nothing, list some things with words pointing to the screen and they could make their case off that alone.
They're doing a really good organized job
Lars39
(26,109 posts)Mersky
(4,980 posts)crickets
(25,963 posts)Laying out how ridiculous the cases were is going to be powerful evidence of just how far trump was willing to go, using any and all means he could to try to overturn votes.
bdamomma
(63,839 posts)nt
Mersky
(4,980 posts)- Ignoring Adverse Court Rulings
- Pressuring and Threatening Election Officials
- Attacking Senators and Members of Congress
- Pressuring the Justice Department
- Attacking Vice pResident Pence
Mersky
(4,980 posts)Dean related how extraordinary it is for a president to do any such thing.
crickets
(25,963 posts)Shirkey confirms to AP Trump talked about Mich. election results with GOP delegation.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214614623 NOV2020
MI Sen. Shirkey falsely claims Jan. 6 insurrection was staged, not carried out by Trump supporters
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215079450 FEB 2021
Its Own Domestic Army: How the G.O.P. Allied Itself With Militants
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/08/us/militias-republicans-michigan.html FEB 08 2021
Initially, Republican leaders had some misgivings about their new allies. The optics werent good. Next time tell them not to bring guns, complained Mike Shirkey, the State Senate majority leader, according to one of the protest organizers. But Michigans highest-ranking Republican came around after the planners threatened to return with weapons and militia guys signing autographs and passing out blow-up AR-15s to the kiddies on the Capitol lawn.
To his credit, Jason Howland, the organizer, wrote in a social media post, Mr. Shirkey agreed to help the cause and spoke at our next event. [snip]
Two weeks after the Statehouse protest, Mr. Shirkey, the Republican leader, appeared at a rally by the same organizers, onstage with a militia member who would later be accused of conspiring to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.
Stand up and test that assertion of authority by the government, Mr. Shirkey told the militiamen. We need you now more than ever.
Mersky
(4,980 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,678 posts)Have attempted. It jut kept coming, and coming. Like a firehose of crazy.
crickets
(25,963 posts)Just this one phone call should be enough to convict. Stunning.
woodsprite
(11,911 posts)supported Trump in his efforts to overturn the election.
Maybe when they get to Jan 6th, they will show videos of the Senators speaking and encouraging the terrorists.
crickets
(25,963 posts)Lindsey Graham, at the very least, should get some serious attention for his own phone calls. Hawley and Cruz can't get off without a mention. Boebert, Mo Brooks... quite a list.
mucifer
(23,535 posts)Wawannabe
(5,655 posts)LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)crazy we have endured for 4+ years, and the criminal run-up to January 6th. Very well done.
Mersky
(4,980 posts)Heres the full transcript and audio of the call between Trump and Raffensperger:
About 3 p.m. Saturday, President Trump held an hour-long call with Brad Raffensperger, Georgias secretary of state, in which he repeatedly urged him to alter the outcome of the presidential vote in the state. He was joined on the call by White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and several lawyers, including longtime conservative attorney Cleta Mitchell and Georgia-based attorney Kurt Hilbert. Raffensperger was joined by his offices general counsel, Ryan Germany, and Deputy Secretary of State Jordan Fuchs.
The Washington Post obtained a copy of a recording of the call. This transcript has been edited to remove the name of an individual about whom Trump makes unsubstantiated claims.
-snip-
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-transcript-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/2768e0cc-4ddd-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html
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And tRump actually tweeted about that call on Jan. 3!
eta: This was presented towards the end of Deans section
Mersky
(4,980 posts)Is how my housemate did the grocery shopping this week. Must sync up with Lieu - hes currently detailing how tRump was threatening Pence the morning before the attack on the Capitol.
Mersky
(4,980 posts)gademocrat7
(10,656 posts)Presenting evidence that is very compelling.
woodsprite
(11,911 posts)nolabear
(41,959 posts)Having them laid out again is like looking back on a terrible nightmare. One thats hard to believe in the lift of day. This is everything we should hate and fear.
Mersky
(4,980 posts)Of the Virgin Islands. He remarked that she was a student of his, who was an A student then, and shes an A+ student, now.
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That is just too freakin cool!
Marthe48
(16,941 posts)presenting information. I hadn't heard of her before today and I'm glad I got to hear her presentation.
Mersky
(4,980 posts)Plaskett said that if he had ever denounced violence, but nevertheless violence occurred we wouldnt know whether he intended for violence to occur.
But instead he encouraged them time and time again, and never truly denounced their violent methods.
Mersky
(4,980 posts)underpants
(182,779 posts)Geesh
crickets
(25,963 posts)Mersky
(4,980 posts)I lost my shit that weekend that those dumbass marauders were allowed to cross county lines menacing political campaign buses.
That was terror in Texas. Plain and simple.
lindysalsagal
(20,678 posts)They're solemn, and serious, and not letting the passion sound like enthusiasm, or hatred. I'm so impressed with their delivery. The content, of course, is self-explanatory. I'm very proud of my D legislators.🥰
underpants
(182,779 posts)IcyPeas
(21,859 posts)I mean did anyone even get arrested for that?
Mersky
(4,980 posts)By Mary Kay Linge December 12, 2020 | 3:06pm | Updated
Million Maga March
Trump supporters gather at a rally protesting the 2020 presidential election in Washington, DC, today. James Keivom for NY Post
Violence erupted on the streets of Washington, DC, Saturday as thousands of President Trumps most die-hard supporters swelled the nations capital for a second round of protests against the results of the presidential election.
One person was reportedly stabbed after a black-clad pedestrian rushed a group of men wearing helmets and gas masks and threw a punch. The men were making their way to Freedom Plaza, where a rally dubbed the Million MAGA March had gathered. A video of the clash showed one man in Proud Boys regalia alongside the helmeted group.
This isnt over, this is just beginning, former Trump campaign spokeswoman Katrina Pierson promised the crowd there.
We knew that both Republicans and Democrats were against we the people, Pierson said in a fiery speech. We are the cavalry. No ones coming for us.
-snip-
https://nypost.com/2020/12/12/violence-erupts-at-trump-rally-as-thousands-protest-election/
crickets
(25,963 posts)Mersky
(4,980 posts)and it was flynns first public appearance after being pardoned.
lindysalsagal
(20,678 posts)That's new. I wonder what else is coming. This is feeling like an episode of Line of Duty.
crickets
(25,963 posts)Some of these people were telling their children they might die while in DC. This is crazy. They really did want an all out war. They laid plots, passed around floor plans, made preparations for communications. Wow.
Mersky
(4,980 posts)Its all there.
Now detailing multiple pro-tRump sites openly discussing violent methods like congress members being locked in a room and surrounded, occupying the Capitol, and using handcuffs and zip ties.
crickets
(25,963 posts)Wow. That will be edited soon, but there it is for now. Apologies from GA for this freak.
On January 6, 2021, Women for America First hosted an event in Washington, D.C. referred to as "March to Save America." The executive director of Women for Trump, Kylie Jane Kremer, was listed as the person in charge on the rallys permit.[43] Kremer spoke at the event.[41] The organization's Facebook page called on supporters to be part of a "caravan" to Washington for the event.[43] As Women for America First noted in a post-event press release, the event was followed by the storming of the United States Capitol.[44]
Someone has been very busy.
wiggs
(7,812 posts)what the National Guard should do if deployed on Jan 6.
lindysalsagal
(20,678 posts)For using unproven here-say. So, that might not be a solid strategy. But it will be proven after subpoenas extract depositions that can be verified. Then it will be used in his indictments.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,328 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... before.
Ken Starr is trying his best to tell everyone to hold judgement ... this was damning
Lars39
(26,109 posts)mucifer
(23,535 posts)And Ill add the snarky, Goebbels would have been proud.
IcyPeas
(21,859 posts)it bites him back hard. I am so angry.
crickets
(25,963 posts)bdamomma
(63,839 posts)is all the evidence we need.
If those 44 do not convict, we must speak up. This cannot be swept away.
God, lock him up, this is disgusting, I hate this bastard.
Mersky
(4,980 posts)- tRump at the Jan. 6 rally
Mersky
(4,980 posts)Goes the crowd, yelling after tRump says theyre going to march down to the Capitol.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Mersky
(4,980 posts)bdamomma
(63,839 posts)cult leader, he needs to be accountable.
Not a fucking peep out of that Congress
Skraxx
(2,970 posts)GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nolabear
(41,959 posts)bdamomma
(63,839 posts)I am so upset.
Compelling evidence.
IcyPeas
(21,859 posts)underpants
(182,779 posts)laid out today.
bdamomma
(63,839 posts)underpants
nolabear
(41,959 posts)Madeline Dean just about lost it just now, for the second time. It's clear how traumatic this horror was for our elected representatives. I ache for them. How the GQP can ignore that makes me wonder how on earth anyone sane can work with them.
crickets
(25,963 posts)They never thought any harm would come to them, so they didn't worry and they still aren't worrying. It's ugly to think they feel so little for the anguish of others who were in danger and knew it, and are still dealing with the trauma.
Mersky
(4,980 posts)That was all devastating. The lies, abuse, and terror is overwhelming.
EndlessWire
(6,514 posts)was how they emphasized the escalation of Trump's efforts. In other words, how he progressed from requests and lawsuits to increasing pressure on various officials to the point where he ran out of peaceful options and resorted to setting up the violent confrontation at the Capitol.
I think it was well structured, and easy to follow. This is important in order for people to be able to read it.
I don't think that Repubs sitting there are going to care about anything but Party Over Country. Well, some of them might. But, we are making points that some of his cult might consider as they contemplate their own participation in this dreadful incident. Especially when people died because of it.
Kali
(55,007 posts)malaise
(268,949 posts)Going really well