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Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:00 PM

$15 Wage Now Included in House Reconciliation Bill!


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Reply $15 Wage Now Included in House Reconciliation Bill! (Original post)
Nanjeanne Feb 2021 OP
Karadeniz Feb 2021 #1
Demsrule86 Feb 2021 #2
Nanjeanne Feb 2021 #4
Celerity Feb 2021 #33
Karadeniz Feb 2021 #3
mvd Feb 2021 #5
Nanjeanne Feb 2021 #6
Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #8
bdamomma Feb 2021 #10
BlueJac Feb 2021 #7
bdamomma Feb 2021 #9
Ollie Garkie Feb 2021 #11
Nanjeanne Feb 2021 #14
Johnny2X2X Feb 2021 #15
Fiendish Thingy Feb 2021 #16
Nanjeanne Feb 2021 #18
Fiendish Thingy Feb 2021 #19
Nanjeanne Feb 2021 #20
Arazi Feb 2021 #12
msongs Feb 2021 #13
Fiendish Thingy Feb 2021 #17
Hortensis Feb 2021 #21
Nanjeanne Feb 2021 #23
Hortensis Feb 2021 #25
Nanjeanne Feb 2021 #26
Hortensis Feb 2021 #27
Nanjeanne Feb 2021 #28
Hortensis Feb 2021 #30
Nanjeanne Feb 2021 #31
LAS14 Feb 2021 #22
Nanjeanne Feb 2021 #24
Marius25 Feb 2021 #29
Nanjeanne Feb 2021 #32

Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:01 PM

1. So the parliamentarian has approved? Great!

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Response to Karadeniz (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:02 PM

2. Wow, that is amazing.

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Response to Karadeniz (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:04 PM

4. Don't know for sure. Perhaps they are going with VP Harris overriding the Parlimentarian. Just kno

Progressive Caucus has announced that it's included in the House Reconciliation Bill.

I'm going to let them figure out how it gets done!

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 06:39 PM

33. This is only the House version, and the last time the Senate Parliamentarian was overruled was 1975,

by Nelson Rockefeller.


https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/a-senate-referee-could-hold-the-keys-to-health-care-changes

And on rare occasions, a presiding officer will overrule the Parliamentarian. In 1975, Vice President Nelson Rockefeller ignored advice from Senate Parliamentarian Floyd Riddick about the proper procedure for handing a vote about changing the Senate’s filibuster rules.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:05 PM

5. Woohoo!

Thanks to all the Dems involved for their hard work.

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Response to mvd (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:06 PM

6. I'm loving the energy and guts we are seeing.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:12 PM

8. I know, real leadership for the people.

Energy, courage, leadership.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:14 PM

10. always

remember Democratic administrations know how to get the economy moving again, they know how to govern, repigs do not.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:08 PM

7. Great news!

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Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:12 PM

9. Keep pushing for it

never stop, cause you know Repigs want to keep Americans sick and poor. they proved it over and over again.

Let us show who is in charge.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:18 PM

11. What about Manchin?

Could this cause fucking Manchin to vote it down when its final vote time?

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Response to Ollie Garkie (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:23 PM

14. I would think Pelosi and Schumer would have spoken to him before Prog Caucus announced it. But who

knows?

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Response to Ollie Garkie (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:24 PM

15. It could

But there could be a way forward, offer a slow timeline or waivers for states like WV. There are a million ways to get this done.

$15 Minimum wage is extremely important to me, not because I have made less than $15 an hour for a long time, but because I remember what it was like to struggle on $10 an hour and how hopeless life seemed then. I don't want my fellow citizens to feel hopeless. $15 will lift millions out of poverty and give hope to tens of millions. But $15 should be adjusted annually or we'll just end up in the same spot in a couple of decades.

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Response to Ollie Garkie (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:29 PM

16. He has said he's against $15/hr, would be OK w $11/hr - don't know if this is phased in or not. Nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:32 PM

18. It was always phased in. From the beginning. So Manchin never made sense.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:35 PM

19. Just not sure what actual text inserted in the bill is - if it starts at or below $11,

Manchin better be OK with it.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:41 PM

20. The original proposal was for $9.50 this year and then gradually increase to 2025

Frankly I think it should be $15 now (or actually $20 now) but I've never understood Manchin's problem except that he is a dick.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:19 PM

12. Thanks Bernie!

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Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:19 PM

13. so which senate dems will be a no because of this? nt

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Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:31 PM

17. This alone could be a major factor in Dems keeping the house in 2022. Nt

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Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:42 PM

21. All I'm seeing so far is that the CBO estimates it would increase

the deficit, an argument for being able to include it in a bill passed by reconciliation. So far, Sanders as finance chair has not announced, nor any of the party leaders.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:47 PM

23. The Progressive Caucus announced that it was included in the House

reconciliation bill.




That's all I posted. What happens from the House to the Senate in terms of procedure I'm not sure. But I bet Nancy Pelosi knows.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:53 PM

25. Sure. If USProgressives is the House Democratic Progressive Caucus,

it makes sense that they'd be allowed to announce this big news. First step...

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:57 PM

26. Not understanding this? Are you saying it's isn't included in the House Reconciliation Bill? Or

just that it hasn't been picked up by CNN yet?

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #26)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:59 PM

27. No, no, no. I always look for confirmation is all. This is so

new discussion hasn't hit the web yet.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #27)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 06:00 PM

28. Oh. Sorry. Yes it was announced by Progressive Caucus. As you say, small steps

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #28)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 06:04 PM

30. FIRST step! :)

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #30)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 06:05 PM

31. Ooops!

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Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:46 PM

22. Even if it means it fails because we lose Manchin and maybe one other? nt

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:49 PM

24. Don't know. I would think Nancy Pelosi has spoken to whomever in the Senate she needs to before

including it.

Maybe not - but I'd be shocked if Nancy put it in with no input from the Senate.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 06:02 PM

29. What about the CBO report that this would cause a loss of 1.4 million jobs?

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #29)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 06:19 PM

32. Here's Rev Barber's response to that!




I guess lifting people out of poverty is the important criteria. Besides, now that the CBO says it's going to cost jobs - it fits in perfectly with reconciliation as it affects the budget!!!

And here's an article from 2019 that discusses the CBO's flawed metrics as well as information from states that raised minimum wage without job loss.

https://equitablegrowth.org/research-shows-raising-the-minimum-wage-does-not-spell-job-loss/

I'm pretty sure - we can find an paper or research for any side anyone wants to sit on. But I prefer talking about morality and the idea that people are trying to live on $7.25/hour - or $290/week - or $15,000 year (before taxes) is disgraceful. States with that wage in 2021:

Alabama, Georgia (actually they were even lower except for Employers subject to Fair Labor Standards), Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, NH, NC, ND, OK, PA, SC, TN, Texas, Utah, Wisconsin, Wyoming (also lower except like GA).

I'm sorry but even in some of these states with a lower cost of living - it's shameful.

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