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Fri Jan 15, 2021, 06:56 AM

Poll : When will Trump resign in time for a pardon from President Pence ?

To me, Trump has only 3 options

- Do nothing, take what comes as regards any Federal crimes he might have committed, gambling that the Establishment won't want to bring that added shame to the country or fearful of dividing an already divided USA.

- Self Pardon, Cipollone and Barr have already warned him that a Self Pardon WILL be challenged, and would more than likely be thrown out by the SC, because it would otherwise, in effect, make a President a King/Be his own judge.

- Resign, in exchange for becoming the 46th President, Pence will agree to pardon him. This is still the most likely eventuality, as it takes Federal crimes off the table. Yes, he would still be liable for State crimes, but he would only be fighting battles on that front. He has no problem with pardons, and he has been laying the groundwork, so why not himself ? The only fly in the ointment, so to speak, is whether he values a pardon for himself over allowing Pence to become President ?

So with that in mind, when will he resign, to take a pardon from President Pence
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Today, Friday 1/15
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Saturday 1/16
1 (3%)
Sunday 1/17
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Monday 1/18
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Tuesday 1/19
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Wednesday morning 1/20
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He will do nothing
26 (70%)
Self Pardon and stick his head in the sand
6 (16%)
Fly to Moscow before noon on 1/20
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Reply Poll : When will Trump resign in time for a pardon from President Pence ? (Original post)
OnDoutside Jan 2021 OP
muriel_volestrangler Jan 2021 #1
OnDoutside Jan 2021 #2
muriel_volestrangler Jan 2021 #3
OnDoutside Jan 2021 #14
malaise Jan 2021 #4
underpants Jan 2021 #6
malaise Jan 2021 #11
OnDoutside Jan 2021 #17
malaise Jan 2021 #19
OnDoutside Jan 2021 #24
Historic NY Jan 2021 #5
dawg day Jan 2021 #7
myohmy2 Jan 2021 #23
tirebiter Jan 2021 #8
samnsara Jan 2021 #9
Buckeyeblue Jan 2021 #12
NurseJackie Jan 2021 #10
Jarqui Jan 2021 #13
OnDoutside Jan 2021 #20
Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #15
grantcart Jan 2021 #16
OnDoutside Jan 2021 #21
myohmy2 Jan 2021 #18
OnDoutside Jan 2021 #22
OnDoutside Jan 2021 #25

Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 07:22 AM

1. He'll try a self-pardon, because what has he got to lose by trying it?

This is what he's done with all the losing court cases about the election. It hasn't mattered to him that they'll most likely get thrown out. If there's the slightest chance he can get away with it, he'll try it. It's been his basic approach with the courts his entire life.

"An analysis by USA Today published in June 2016 found that over the previous three decades, Donald Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate.[1]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

Trump egged on the mob who threatened Pence and his family. Pence won't pardon him now, and Trump knows it.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 07:32 AM

2. It certainly wouldn't be the first time he turned down good advice ! I was listening to a

podcast a few days ago (can't remember which, i listen to many !), where the central point about him Self Pardoning was that it would force the DOJ to take him to court to get it overturned, as they could not let that stand unchallenged, but also would force them to investigate him intensely. It would probably be the worst of the 3 options he could choose.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 07:45 AM

3. I don't see how it would force them to investigate him more

I can see that they'd want a ruling on whether it's valid, but that would be about the principle, not the evidence of his wrong-doing. I hope he does get investigated at the maximum possible intensity, at state(s) and federal level, but I can't see an attempted self-pardon affecting that.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:10 AM

14. What I mean is that he would be Self Pardoning to stop them investigating him (at a Federal level

anyway, and I suspect this would suit Biden), but if the DOJ have to go to the SC to overturn a Self Pardon, and they likely win, then he is open to being investigated. Having gone to the trouble of going to the SC, the DOJ would then have created a public expectation that they would then launch all sorts of investigations into him.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 07:48 AM

4. Word is that Pence will not pardon him

not after he sent his goons to hang him

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Response to malaise (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:06 AM

6. You know, it wouldn't hurt to call Mother

Trump didnít bother to check with Pence during the attack. It was a big day so Mother and one of the their kids and spouse were with them. That burned Pence but finding out Trump was calling McCarthy and others to lobby them while that was going on really drilled it in. Thatís how Iím taking it anyway.

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Response to underpants (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:36 AM

11. Apparently Mother is not amused that she

and their daughter nearly witnessed his execution. Her primary roles were to keep him way from the temptations of the flesh and to find new ways to prostrate himself before the cult leader - this was definitely not on her agenda.

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Response to malaise (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:19 AM

17. Although she would be the first Mother First Lady ?

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:23 AM

19. But only for a very short time - not worth that horrific experience

after being such a willing tool.

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Response to malaise (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:32 AM

24. But they don't live in our world. A few hours/days as President/First Lady and they can bask in

being the former President/First Lady for the rest of their lives, with all the perks, in the country club Republican world. Does a VP continue to get Secret Service protection for life, cos Mikey is going to need it, from his own !

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 07:53 AM

5. Means he has to admit he was wrong..

and guilty. A pardon won't work with him being impeached already.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:11 AM

7. He can't trust pence.

In fact, pence has every incentive to shaft him.

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Response to dawg day (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:31 AM

23. I think...

...mikey's playing it down the middle...

...he doesn't want to pardon yet didn't want to do the 25th...

...he won't do trump any good but he won't do him any harm either...

...that's mikey...

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:11 AM

8. He will self pardon

Based on the neener neener amendment. He doesnít trust anyone else to do it. Noone.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:24 AM

9. one hour before Joe takes office..just so all of Joes swag has to be scrapped at the last minute

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Response to samnsara (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:39 AM

12. I don't think they would swear in another president with 1 hour left.

I don't even think they would with 1 day left. So I don't think that would work.

I think he pardons himself. The constitution doesn't say the president can't pardon him/herself from crimes. It only limits pardons to impeachment.

Such a case would take years to get through the court system.

The question is will Trump pardon those who have been arrested for the siege on the Capitol? I think he will. I think it will be a blanket pardon, much in the way Carter issued a blanket pardon to draft-dodgers who fled to Canada.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:31 AM

10. I chose the unlikely "Fly to Moscow" option. In the event that I'm right...

... I'll be able to boast and strut (just like Michael Moore whenever he makes a lucky prediction) and everyone will have to respect me for my political insight, wisdom, acumen, and keen analytical mind.

I'll just be glad when the motherfucker is gone! Florida, Russia, UAE, Argentina, prison... any would be fine with me.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 09:45 AM

13. Pence doesn't want to suffer what Gerald Ford did

After Trump threw him to the mob, it's hard to blame him (ignoring all the prior Trump crimes ...)

A narcissist will understand this behavior. - at least to some extent.

A self pardon may cause him civil problems but will buy him time dragging it out to SCOTUS.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:26 AM

20. But he IS a Republican politician though, and where else is he going to go after this ? It's a

chance of a lifetime, to be the 46th President of the United States, for a few hours or days, giving him Secret Service protection for life, as well as pension and other benefits !

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:12 AM

15. Pence is unlikely to pardon Trump.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:17 AM

16. Fourth option Abu Dhabi


If he stays he will get thousands of subpoenas.

Criminal, Civil, even all of the rioters will demand he appears As a witness.

A federal pardon does nothing in the face of state charges.

Abu Dhabi has set up a first class ex dictator resort for a few hundred million you can retire in security and never be served with a subpoena.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:26 AM

21. Well, wasn't Jared out there recently ? Not an outlandish idea at all.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:21 AM

18. face it...

...trump would have already resigned if pence would have agreed to pardon him...

...but this is good...

...a trump pardon would have swept a lot of trump-dirt under the carpet with a strong call to let's 'move on'...

...I guess pence doesn't want his ass to be forever associated with trump...

...I don't know, they've been joined a the hip for a long time...

...good luck, mikey...

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Response to myohmy2 (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:28 AM

22. Mikey has put in a four year shift covering for that ignoramus, I'm sure he can park his

"principles" one last time !

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:38 AM

25. Thanks everyone for answering the poll. I think it's really interesting that Do Nothing is so far

ahead, followed by Self Pardon and so few of us think that he will resign to get a pardon.

It's something to keep an eye on as we approach the 20th.

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