NO to the suggestion of Biden Agenda in the morning, Senate Trial in the afternoon.

Friday they would be kicking Tubby McTraitor to the curb.

of his word, but not in a good way !!!

He will try to drag this out as long as he can...loss of interest among ReThugs, etc...

Impeached a second time, and have that stain follow him for the remainder of his life. The only way he would be convicted is if McConnell wanted to make sure Trump was barred from running in 2024, so he could spend the next 2-4 years building up a new narrative of Donald Who ? If Trump is still hanging around as a daily reminder to the voting public of Republican complicity during the Trump years, they will never be able to move on, and a successful Biden Administration will only increase in popularity.

There are other wins to be had against Trump, with lots of Federal (unless President Pence pardons him) and State criminal investigations.

N one more week.

or two, and what have you won ? Spent all that time on a Trial where Trump is not only not convicted, had already left office and you've slowed the momentum of Biden's agenda in his first 100 days.

Or 1 day a week starting in the last month of the 100 days, then afternoons after that.

bring down our government through insurrection, and that threat still exists, and is very real.

That being said, I don't have any issue if the Senate trial is delayed for 100 days. That would allow various investigations behind the scenes to gather evidence of the crimes, and just how far it went, and who was involved

and as the OP said it would allow an acceleration of the much need aid to deal with the pandemic, economy, and appointments to get the government running

pardon in the next few days by President Pence. I'm not talking about not having a Senate Trial, but let's doing at a timing that suits Democrats, not Republicans.

will be up to the Democrats since they have the majority as you said

days, and he will have no power to damage. In fact he would be silly, legally, to be sticking his neck up beyond that, such is his criminal liability.

If Pence pardons him, can he still go before a Senate Trial ? I suspect he can.

It is not a criminal trial .

We need to prioritize properly in order to minimize the loss of life that trump has caused, along with saving our country and the planet. There will be plenty of time to hold trump to account.

We can be patient. I didn't think we'd make it through these last four years, and then especially through this past year. But we're still standing as a democracy, and there's light at the end of the tunnel in a lot of areas.

it was a completely rushed process by McConnell. You could be taking about a 5 or 6 week process.

Bill Clinton's Artlices were delivered about Dec 19, 1998, and the vote took place on Feb 9, 1999.

This has potential to screw the momentum of Biden's first 100 days.

dominated the media airspace, and this will too. Biden wouldn't get a look in.

a less than 0 attention span that we expect such behavior now?

If printed with normal typography they would be 2 pages.

They deal almost exclusively with the speech and mob action of 1/6 and the prior phone call between Trump and the Georgia Secretary of State.

It's not a complicated matter. I think that the presiding Judge would encourage the Senate to come to the point.

and said that for an official no longer in office, the CJ might not have to preside. It could devolve to the president of the Senate who would be VP Harris, but of course, it's problematic because she's a Dem. The Senate pro tem is Leahy, longest serving member of the majority party.

It will be bifurcated.

before a Senate Trial.

You will get 50 votes (well 48/49) votes regardless, but to get to 67 votes you will need an overwhelmingly compelling case (if for nothing else than to give those Repugs cover for voting to convict).

We don't need to rush it; time will be on our side.

The committee can do a full investigation while the full Senate does normal work 100% of the day.

Don't listen to Morning Joe.

We all know that Americans have very short memories. Our country was just attacked. People are angry. People want JUSTICE. Strike while the iron is hot!

Delaying the trial would all but guarantee tRump's acquittal, not to mention public backlash, because there will always be new problems and crises that we're facing as a nation. You have to address each crisis as it comes.

As a party, we spend way too much time worried about what republicans might do. Repubs are NOT brilliant strategists, they just benefit from timid Democrats who refuse to fight fire with fire. Crimes were committed and tRump MUST be held accountable. Period. It's a very simple concept and yet some people are still overthinking / overcomplicating it.

Yes, Americans are famous for having short attention spans and being easily distracted.

But if there is a drip drip drip of damning revelations this might turn the tide.

For instance--if the NSA releases a recording of Trump talking to "patriots" and encouraging violence--even hinting or openly suggesting they kill Speaker Pelosi and VP Pence--public reaction would be furious. If there is solid evidence that GOP representatives plotted with the mob, this would also be damning--not only to Trump but to the entire GOP.

Such revelations--released to the public at strategic times--would help pass the Biden agenda, providing a groundswell of support for Democrats and loathing for Republicans. We haven't even seen the worst of the videos. We haven't heard testimony from Capitol Police. All of this would be part of the mix.

There might also be more articles of impeachment to add to the one article already approved.

I have no problem contrasting the steady stream of revelations damning to the GOP with a Biden administration and Democratic House and Senate passing a flurry of measures to deal with the pandemic and the collapsed economy.

A Congress working full time on repairing the damage--passing a new voting rights act and securing our elections infrastructure for starters--is essential. Once that happens we can have a full blown trial with witnesses, including Trump insiders who can testify to the man's raging thirst for absolute power.

Even the little bit we know at this moment is enough: During the attack, tRump was on the phone trying to get more votes to overturn the election. For nearly 2 hours, congressional leaders begged and pleaded for him to send military backup and to tell his seditionists to stand down. He fucking refused. Instead, he sat on his fat ass, glued to the TV... giddy about the violent scene that was unfolding at the Capitol.

The bottom line is that Pence had to break the chain of command to order the National Guard, because trump and the goons he installed at the Pentagon refused to. It can be argued that tRump wanted Pence and every single member of Congress to be killed.

There's no need for a long, drawn out drip drip, IMO.

Get the traitors and patriots on record, quickly, then move on. tRump might be dead long before 2024, so it's nothing to lose sleep over.

Either way, I'd still like to see a thorough investigation, not only of this latest outrage, but all the other corrupt crap we know the Trumps and their enablers have pulled these past four years.

Best wishes,

or whatever ?

Let's say 67 Senators DO convict him, he doesn't go to jail and he will already have left office ! He will not be held accountable by this. Did you think he would be ? He's already stained by Impeachment, twice.

There is another motion they can then bring, and that is to bar him from ever running for office again. Who wins in that situation ? You may well argue that it's the American people, but for a large portion of that 74m it makes him a martyr. Worst of all, it will most certainly benefit the Republican Party because they won't have to stand up to Trump and stop him themselves, and don't forget that 197 of them voted to against Impeachment last night. Mitch McConnell would LOVE if the Democrats did his dirty work for him, so he could then create a new narrative, and the GOP would lie their way out of it.

and more and more Repiglicans will be implicated.

evidence out there.

that Joe Biden will say, "For the good of the country, we need to move forward, given so much on our plate, etc....", and he will agree to drop the idea of the Senate trial.

The insurrection, on the other hand, needs to be fully addressed, and I'm sure Joe knows this more than anyone. He has to realize the personal threat to him and Kamala Harris is bigger than it ever was to Barack Obama, and we know how real it was in his case over that 8-year period.

Biden promised that he will stay out of it and let the DOJ handle it. I expect and trust that he will keep that promise, even if it's because he's forced to by his advisors and VP Harris.

DOJ investigations, not Biden, and that is certainly going to happen. Bullwinkle428 was talking about the Senate Trial, which is a bit pointless after Trump has left office.

if convicted.

Covid under control, the economy starting to improve and lots of criminal cases happening, I think people will accept it, especially as it would be an exercise in futility to not have a Trial and Removal before Jan 20.

The House impeached, the constitution says the Senate must have a trial.

That goes for both Senate conviction and DOJ prosecution. He’ll let the respective institutions do their jobs.

Just say the legislative branch of government is a co-equal branch and I am going to stay out of it as the Constitution provides guidance on impeachment. He doesn't need to do anything actually because it's not in his job description to dictate to congress.

I do think that one reason to give is that after he is out of office, that 100 days not only allows Biden to get his cabinet and focus on his agenda on many many important issues, but to allow the indictments of people who invaded the capitol.

Not immediately convicting Trump doesn't mean this goes away.. The AG and DOJ, FBI should investigate how this happened and aspart of that, Trump's role. Many Republicans yesterday, while expressing dismay for Trump's actions, complained about the speed of the process as their excuse. 100 days might allow some Republicans to reject Trump.

Since it’s not going to happen before he leaves office, we might as well wait 100 days as the evidence for sedition mounts.

I think the opposite may be true?

But, it might be better if they let the passions cool and let the evidence mount. The 100 days might be a good idea?

is today, and the next best time is tomorrow. Once it gets beyond Jan 20th, it fades in relevance, and at that point the DOJ criminal investigation is the best game in town.

Making sure the eyes of America are focused on the new bills being passed through Congress, showing people that yes, Government is working at last.

...that may determine whether or not the Senate chooses to pursue a "trial"?

I don't think it is anything the Democrats are relishing in doing? It will be done more out of necessity.

They would prefer to work on the Biden agenda, in my opinion.

would be little McConnell could do about it. Let's not forget that Trump on the ballot brought over 80m people voting for the Biden, and re-captured the Senate. The Repugs want Trump gone, but don't have the balls to do it themselves.

to investigate. There's new information coming out every day. My sense now is a lot more uncover and to come out. When enough evidence is out, then proceed with impeachment.

But yes, let's get the evidence at least.

This takes the investigation off the plate of both Congress and Biden and DoJ. It would be strictly fact-finding with the ability to make recommendations.

I was thinking about who might serve as chairs. Perhaps Dan Coates, who's respected by both sides, and Doug Jones, also respected by both sides, or Claire McCaskill. Some terrorism experts, maybe the Clint Watts/Chris Krebs of the world, some scholars/academics who study insurgencies, then professional staff trained in investigations.