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Tue Jan 12, 2021, 11:19 PM

How the Republican Party Could Break

New York Times

For a long time, people have predicted the crackup of American conservatism, the end of a Republican Party dominated by the conservative movement as one of the major powers in our politics. Demographic trends were supposed to permanently marginalize the right. Barack Obama’s 2008 victory was supposed to signal conservatism’s eclipse. The rise of Donald Trump was supposed to shatter Republican politics the way that slavery once broke the Whigs.

Conservatism survived all these prophecies, always clawing back to claim a share of power, maintaining unity and loyalty by offering a bulwark against liberal ambition even as its own agenda became more and more threadbare.

So it would be a foolhardy prophet indeed who looked at the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol and assumed that this time, under this pressure, the conservative coalition will finally break apart, sending the Republican Party deep into the wilderness and reshaping American ideological debates along new lines.

But breaking points do come, and the violent endgame of the Trump presidency has exposed a new divide in the conservative coalition — not a normal ideological division or an argument about strategy or tactics, but a split between reality and fantasy that may be uniquely hard for either self-interest or statesmanship to bridge.


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brooklynite Jan 12 OP
roamer65 Jan 12 #1
servermsh Jan 12 #2
BigmanPigman Jan 12 #4
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lindysalsagal Jan 12 #5
canetoad Jan 12 #6
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jan 12, 2021, 11:23 PM

1. Soon the choice will be between fascism or democracy.

Trumpist vs Constitutionalist parties.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jan 12, 2021, 11:24 PM

2. We should work to divide them as much as we can.

If they break and form a third party, we would dominate for a generation.

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Response to servermsh (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 12, 2021, 11:26 PM

4. Bingo!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jan 12, 2021, 11:24 PM

3. TLP

vs Qonservatives ...

✌🏻

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jan 12, 2021, 11:27 PM

5. Lol. They've lost their base. Can't wait to see the new 3rd party

Split the vote from now on.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jan 12, 2021, 11:29 PM

6. It's becoming tiresome to read

A thousand articles on the breakup/annihilation/redundancy of the Republican party.

Do those thousand authors really believe that the liberal, left wing of politics will prevail over the greedy right wing?

There will always be greedy, grasping opportunists, ready to trample their fellow human in the quest to turn a dollar. Equally, there will always be selfless, altruistic folk who genuinely care for the well being of others.

Always has been; always will be.

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Response to canetoad (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 12, 2021, 11:35 PM

7. This isn't about whether "greedy, grasping opportunists" survive...

...but where they will find a home, and how easily they do so.

There will definitely be some party that's to the right of Democrats, the question is if that will be the Republican party or a new one formed from the ashes of the Republican party, perhaps even under a new name.

I'm not ready to predict that's going to happen yet, either, given all of the false predictions in the past. But the odds are certainly higher than they've been before.

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