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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 06:47 AM

Star Member struggle4progress (111,059 posts)

Army investigating officer who led group to DC

by: Associated Press
Posted: Jan 10, 2021 / 10:25 PM PST / Updated: Jan 10, 2021 / 10:26 PM PST

... Commanders at Fort Bragg are reviewing Captain Emily Rainey’s involvement in last week’s events in the nation’s capital, but she said she acted within military regulations and that no one in her group broke the law ...

Rainey, 30, is assigned to the 4th Psychological Operations Group at Fort Bragg, according to Maj. Daniel Lessard, a spokesman for 1st Special Forces Command. Known as PSYOPS, the group uses information and misinformation to shape the emotions, decision-making and actions of American adversaries.

Rainey made headlines back in May after she posted a video online of her pulling down caution tape at a playground that was closed under North Carolina’s COVID-19 restrictions.

Police in Southern Pines, a community about 30 miles (48 kilometers) west of Fort Bragg, charged her with injury to personal property over the incident. The police told WRAL-TV that they let her off with warnings twice before after she tore down the tape closing off the playground ...

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/u-s-army-investigating-officer-who-led-group-to-d-c-trump-rally-turned-riot/

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Reply Army investigating officer who led group to DC (Original post)
 struggle4progress Monday OP
LineReply Psy-ops ????
 essaynnc Monday #1
LineLineReply But don't you think that there is a large percentage who are
 Squinch Monday #4
LineLineLineReply I think you've hit the nail on the head
 Turin_C3PO Monday #6
LineLineLineLineReply I think it is true of my trumper relative, and it makes his trumpism
 Squinch Monday #8
LineLineLineLineLineReply Same with my uncle and grandpa.
 Turin_C3PO Monday #9
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply Are they
 Rebl2 Monday #28
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Not sure.
 Turin_C3PO Monday #35
LineLineLineReply Sounds like tRump.
 SammyWinstonJack Monday #12
LineLineReply Um
 d_r Monday #19
LineReply A Psy Ops Capt.
 Mc Mike Monday #2
LineReply Unbelievable I'm ashamed my alma mater the Eighty deuce
 TEB Monday #3
LineLineReply Good.
 ancianita Monday #14
LineLineReply Conduct unbecoming might be a useful charge.
 Fortinbras Armstrong Monday #25
LineLineLineReply 133 is always thrown in on any formal charge
 sarge43 Monday #29
LineLineLineLineNew Reply Pisses me off sarge
 TEB Monday #34
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply For the past five years pissed off has been my default.
 sarge43 Monday #36
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply I'm frustrated as well friend
 TEB Monday #37
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply From your monitor to the Chair, JCoS
 sarge43 Monday #38
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Traitor to our oath to constitution makes me angry
 TEB Monday #41
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply What more can I say? Oh wait
 sarge43 Monday #42
LineLineReply This message was self-deleted by its author
 Fortinbras Armstrong Monday #26
LineReply K&R
 Solly Mack Monday #5
LineLineNew Reply She's cut and run. Resigned her commission. How very brave of her.
 sarge43 Monday #39
LineLineLineNew Reply I hope so, too.
 Solly Mack Monday #40
LineReply So now I hope people don't get shocked anymore
 Proud liberal 80 Monday #7
LineLineReply I don't think there's any evidence they're crazier
 Turin_C3PO Monday #10
LineReply How is this fucking nimrod still on active duty?
 maxrandb Monday #11
LineLineReply +1
 ProfessorGAC Monday #13
LineLineReply I remember doing a positive vetting interview for a friend.
 plimsoll Monday #16
LineReply Article 94 UCMJ
 4Q2u2 Monday #15
LineLineReply Hmmm.
 plimsoll Monday #18
LineReply Who is her dad, or mom? Someone important?
 gab13by13 Monday #17
LineReply One week from noon Wednesday...
 llmart Monday #20
LineReply Loose cannon who needs to be assigned to
 Roisin Ni Fiachra Monday #21
LineReply PSYOPS had the best mess hall on Bragg when I was stationed there.
 Ligyron Monday #22
LineReply this was a military coup attempt
 januoro Monday #23
LineReply She almost sounds like s Russian sleeper agent. nt
 Ilsa Monday #24
LineReply Career. Over!
 Grins Monday #27
LineReply Army Capt. Emily Rainey
 dalton99a Monday #30
LineReply If the media had focused on the Trump supporters in the military, board rooms and C-suites instead
 WhiskeyGrinder Monday #31
LineReply many like this?
 llashram Monday #32
LineNew Reply She just forgot to read that part to defend and protect the Constitution... but insurrection
 turbinetree Monday #33

Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Mon Jan 11, 2021, 06:51 AM

essaynnc (272 posts)

1. Psy-ops ????

You'd have thought she could see through the b.s. !!!! I guess she doesn't recognize her own craft when she sees it..

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Response to essaynnc (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 11, 2021, 06:55 AM

Star Member Squinch (35,045 posts)

4. But don't you think that there is a large percentage who are

perfectly aware the stories they spout are bullshit and they just spout them as a cynical excuse for their hatred?

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Response to Squinch (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 11, 2021, 06:59 AM

Star Member Turin_C3PO (5,031 posts)

6. I think you've hit the nail on the head

in regards to this woman. I believe she knows what she spouts is bullshit but uses it because it suits her agenda, whatever that may be.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 07:01 AM

Star Member Squinch (35,045 posts)

8. I think it is true of my trumper relative, and it makes his trumpism

somehow worse than if it had been just stupidity.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 11, 2021, 07:04 AM

Star Member Turin_C3PO (5,031 posts)

9. Same with my uncle and grandpa.

My uncle is a retired Lt. Colonel and my grandpa a retired PhD of psychology professor. Both seem way too smart for Trumpism but still seem to believe some of the bullshit. I think the root of their problem is racial bigotry. One good thing is that they were horrified about what happened Wednesday.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:32 AM

Star Member Rebl2 (2,945 posts)

28. Are they

horrified enough to back away from trumpism as you call it?

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:57 AM

Star Member Turin_C3PO (5,031 posts)

35. Not sure.

We shall see.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 08:09 AM

Star Member SammyWinstonJack (43,788 posts)

12. Sounds like tRump.

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Response to essaynnc (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:02 AM

Star Member d_r (6,294 posts)

19. Um

Maybe she is helping to make the bs

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Mon Jan 11, 2021, 06:53 AM

Mc Mike (8,913 posts)

2. A Psy Ops Capt.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 06:54 AM

Star Member TEB (7,637 posts)

3. Unbelievable I'm ashamed my alma mater the Eighty deuce

Her claim as private citizen will not hold water under ucmj.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 08:40 AM

Star Member ancianita (21,064 posts)

14. Good.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:25 AM

Fortinbras Armstrong (4,161 posts)

25. Conduct unbecoming might be a useful charge.

Article 133 of the UCMJ

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/punitive-articles-of-the-ucmj-3356843

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:34 AM

Star Member sarge43 (27,350 posts)

29. 133 is always thrown in on any formal charge

You're in this crack? You were unbecoming. QED.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:55 AM

Star Member TEB (7,637 posts)

34. Pisses me off sarge

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 10:44 AM

Star Member sarge43 (27,350 posts)

36. For the past five years pissed off has been my default.

Now I'm hearing the Song of my Celtic ancestors: Never forget; never forgive. We served honorably, TEB and that trash insulted and demeaned us. Oh yeah and that AF Lt Col. I want to see his head on a pike.

Being a traditionalist, I'd want the old way brought back - sword broken, every bit of insignia removed right down to the buttons. Then frog marched to the gate and thrown out into the cold and dark.

Yes, I'm somewhat vexed.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 11:03 AM

Star Member TEB (7,637 posts)

37. I'm frustrated as well friend

At 17 or enlisting we swore oath and not realizing that oath carried us we were bound by oath. Under a trumpig presidency and vets that broke oath to constitution let them suffer consequences.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 11:24 AM

Star Member sarge43 (27,350 posts)

38. From your monitor to the Chair, JCoS

Order a major GI party, sir. A white glove is overdue.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 02:04 PM

Star Member TEB (7,637 posts)

41. Traitor to our oath to constitution makes me angry

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 02:31 PM

Star Member sarge43 (27,350 posts)

42. What more can I say? Oh wait

Some fine young men and women had to take orders from that trash

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Mon Jan 11, 2021, 06:56 AM

Star Member Solly Mack (81,283 posts)

5. K&R

Charge her to the fullest.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 11:27 AM

Star Member sarge43 (27,350 posts)

39. She's cut and run. Resigned her commission. How very brave of her.

Hope FBI comes tap tapping on her door.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 01:25 PM

Star Member Solly Mack (81,283 posts)

40. I hope so, too.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 06:59 AM

Star Member Proud liberal 80 (3,004 posts)

7. So now I hope people don't get shocked anymore

When they hear that 55% of white women voted for Trump.....with the two newest nut jobs in the House, Blackburn and Hyde-Smith in the senate, the lady who died trying to climb into a glass door and this lady, they are rabid and crazier than their male counterparts

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 07:07 AM

Star Member Turin_C3PO (5,031 posts)

10. I don't think there's any evidence they're crazier

than the males. Most in the Capitol were white males and all across the nation the crazy ass militias are populated by primarily white men.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 07:51 AM

Star Member maxrandb (11,531 posts)

11. How is this fucking nimrod still on active duty?

"Police in Southern Pines, a community about 30 miles (48 kilometers) west of Fort Bragg, charged her with injury to personal property over the incident. The police told WRAL-TV that they let her off with warnings twice before after she tore down the tape closing off the playground ..."

It really hasn't been that long ago that I retired, but holy fuck! It appears that we used to demand more of military officers.

Officers are "selected", and they serve in "positions of trust".

It's mostly ceremonial, but even officer promotions at the lowest rank require Congressional confirmation. Every fucking promotion list MUST be confirmed by Congress.

It's time to NOT FUCKING CONFIRM one more promotion list until there is a serious fucking top to bottom, bottom to top investigation and review of military standards of behavior and good order and discipline.

If I, or an officer I served with had displayed this type of behavior, two warnings and a injury to personal property charge we would be riding a fucking desk and facing "relief of duty for cause".

Here's why this is so fucking important.

This fucking officer is in a position to order young men and women to go in harms way and die. She has been given authority to risk the treasure of our country...our own sons and daughters.

She should NEVER, EVER be put in a position of trust.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 08:11 AM

Star Member ProfessorGAC (45,970 posts)

13. +1

Great post, Max!

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 08:45 AM

plimsoll (505 posts)

16. I remember doing a positive vetting interview for a friend.

It appears we allow less trustworthy people to command our troops than we permit to look at mechanical engineering data.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Mon Jan 11, 2021, 08:44 AM

4Q2u2 (965 posts)

15. Article 94 UCMJ

States that not only is Mutiny and Sedition punishable by death, but
section 3 states that you have an obligation to stop it or at least report it to higher while it is happening.
If not you are still culpable and the penalty is DEATH.

10 U.S. Code § 894 - Art. 94. Mutiny or sedition
U.S. Code
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(a)Any person subject to this chapter who—
(1)with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority, refuses, in concert with any other person, to obey orders or otherwise do his duty or creates any violence or disturbance is guilty of mutiny;
(2)with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority, creates, in concert with any other person, revolt, violence, or other disturbance against that authority is guilty of sedition;
(3)fails to do his utmost to prevent and suppress a mutiny or sedition being committed in his presence, or fails to take all reasonable means to inform his superior commissioned officer or commanding officer of a mutiny or sedition which he knows or has reason to believe is taking place, is guilty of a failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition.
(b)A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.
(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 68.)

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Response to 4Q2u2 (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 11, 2021, 08:51 AM

plimsoll (505 posts)

18. Hmmm.

She admits organizing a group to go to the coup.

Does that count as "in concert?"

I'm not an expert here, but if she took a group of enlisted personal wouldn't that jack up the consequences.

This looks to me like a very bad apple. It's a shame the military can't "police" itself.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 08:50 AM

gab13by13 (2,552 posts)

17. Who is her dad, or mom? Someone important?

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:03 AM

llmart (11,379 posts)

20. One week from noon Wednesday...

President Biden will be our new Commander in Chief. His administration needs to clean out the military of these sorts from top to bottom. I guarantee you it isn't just a handful.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:11 AM

Star Member Roisin Ni Fiachra (949 posts)

21. Loose cannon who needs to be assigned to

Fort Greely Army Base near Fairbanks, Alaska, and put in charge of latrine maintenance.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:15 AM

Star Member Ligyron (5,731 posts)

22. PSYOPS had the best mess hall on Bragg when I was stationed there.

I used to eat there every night before we drove home to our house in Hope Mills on The All American Highway.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:17 AM

januoro (10 posts)

23. this was a military coup attempt

This is a psychological operations Army member.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:23 AM

Star Member Ilsa (57,257 posts)

24. She almost sounds like s Russian sleeper agent. nt

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:30 AM

Grins (3,481 posts)

27. Career. Over!

If she had any thoughts about staying in the military for 20+ years - well that's over come her next OER. Poor performance is a sure way you will not be promoted nor retained. THIS is a whole other level on top of that!

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:36 AM

Star Member dalton99a (57,978 posts)

30. Army Capt. Emily Rainey

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:40 AM

Star Member WhiskeyGrinder (10,213 posts)

31. If the media had focused on the Trump supporters in the military, board rooms and C-suites instead

of the local diners, they might not have been surprised.

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Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:43 AM

Star Member turbinetree (18,498 posts)

33. She just forgot to read that part to defend and protect the Constitution... but insurrection

and treason, sedition is just fine.................forfeit all pay, strip her of her command rank, and then throw her ass in jail............right along with Michael Flynn...........

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