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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:02 PM

Biden Backing Off Progressive Initiatives?

I have a lot of left-wing friends on Facebook/Twitter and lately they've been posting that Biden is backing off initiatives that he supported during the campaign, including cancelling student loans and ending Trump's migrant detention policies. They're not particularly fond of him anyway and I'm not sure exactly where they are getting this information but just interested in hearing from anybody here if this is remotely accurate or true. I feel like it's probably something he might have said that they're miscontruing and/or taking out of context but not sure.

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Reply Biden Backing Off Progressive Initiatives? (Original post)
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2021 OP
AkFemDem Jan 2021 #1
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2021 #6
Thekaspervote Jan 2021 #28
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2021 #31
PatSeg Jan 2021 #47
Vivienne235729 Jan 2021 #55
Squinch Jan 2021 #2
Polybius Jan 2021 #3
brush Jan 2021 #18
Polybius Jan 2021 #19
brush Jan 2021 #23
Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #35
brush Jan 2021 #39
llashram Jan 2021 #24
Amishman Jan 2021 #44
llashram Jan 2021 #49
samnsara Jan 2021 #4
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2021 #8
Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #36
Fullduplexxx Jan 2021 #5
Big Blue Marble Jan 2021 #7
Miguelito Loveless Jan 2021 #9
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2021 #13
Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #37
Miguelito Loveless Jan 2021 #38
uponit7771 Jan 2021 #57
LexVegas Jan 2021 #10
WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2021 #11
stonecutter357 Jan 2021 #12
mac56 Jan 2021 #14
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2021 #15
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2021 #16
Crunchy Frog Jan 2021 #17
msongs Jan 2021 #20
DeminPennswoods Jan 2021 #21
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2021 #25
DeminPennswoods Jan 2021 #48
MineralMan Jan 2021 #22
johnp3907 Jan 2021 #26
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2021 #27
GemDigger Jan 2021 #29
stillcool Jan 2021 #30
Wounded Bear Jan 2021 #32
Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #33
denbot Jan 2021 #34
Peacetrain Jan 2021 #40
BainsBane Jan 2021 #41
SoonerPride Jan 2021 #42
AmericanCanuck Jan 2021 #51
greenjar_01 Jan 2021 #43
Midnight Writer Jan 2021 #45
R B Garr Jan 2021 #46
jcgoldie Jan 2021 #50
Cha Jan 2021 #52
mvd Jan 2021 #53
Kaleva Jan 2021 #54
ancianita Jan 2021 #56
stonecutter357 Jan 2021 #58
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2021 #60
betsuni Jan 2021 #59
Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #61

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Response to AkFemDem (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:05 PM

6. I think that's the better course of action too

A lot of my left-leaning friends didn't even end up voting for him and are going to criticize pretty much anybody but Bernie, so I always treat a lot of what they say with a grain of salt without further information. I hope that Biden gets a fair shake and a chance to get his game on when he gets into office because he's being left a big bag of flaming poo thanks to Trump and he's not cooperating well with the transition.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:37 PM

28. Then why post this?

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #28)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 03:03 PM

31. Trying to get information

Seeing if anybody here knows what they are talking about. Judging by the responses, I guess it wasn't a good idea.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 04:32 PM

47. I think Biden will be as progressive

as congress allows. We still don't know who will control the senate, so that is a big factor. Meanwhile, his highest priority will be to get the pandemic under control and get the economy up and running, while reestablishing our diplomatic ties around the world. You can be sure that there will be a handful of Never-Biden liberals, who will find fault with everything he does. I believe we've seen this movie before when Obama took office.

Biden will not be able to please everyone and being he has been in government a long time, he is fully aware of that. You win some, you lose some, and you cut your losses wherever you can. Not terribly sexy, but if you live in a democracy, that is how change comes about in the real world.

We need our idealists and activists. They inspire us and show us what is possible. Then we need our pragmatists, who can make those dreams reality. However, the reality doesn't always match the original ideal 100%, hence that worn out, but very true cliché - "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good".

And for all your disgruntled liberal friends, I would suggest they put their progressive energies into local, state, and congressional races. That is where almost all change originates - from the bottom up, not the top down.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #47)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 05:22 PM

55. Well said!

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:03 PM

2. Staahp!

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:04 PM

3. He has to back off

Look how close the House is now. Plus best case scenario, the Senate will be 50-50. How can anything progressive get past moderate to conservative Democrats in Congress?

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Response to Polybius (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:17 PM

18. Don't you mean get past conservative republicans in Congress?

They are the opposition. When Dems come to a consensus in the House and pass a bill on to the republicans, that's where the logjam begins.

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Response to brush (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:19 PM

19. No, I already know about them

But best cast, the Senate will be 50-50 tomorrow, with Harris as the tiebreaker. You're not getting anything progressive passed from Manchin.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:24 PM

23. He's not even in the WH yet and it seems divisiveness is already...

happening. Give the man a chance.

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Response to brush (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 03:48 PM

35. That is not true. We have moderates in the house now...we will do what we can...and all

factions of our party need to accept this.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #35)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 04:13 PM

39. Are you responding to me or another poster?

You're saying essentially what I said.

"Reach a consensus" being the key phrase.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:31 PM

24. bluedogs

still here. Never going away

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Response to llashram (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 04:17 PM

44. Which is fine, in those districts a blue dog is usually the best we can do

Better to have a majority and have to time things down to pass, than have a solid progressive delegation - and lack majority control.

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Response to Amishman (Reply #44)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 04:50 PM

49. yep, I agree

still, very distasteful politicians, in MY book.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:04 PM

4. doesnt matter, cuz we cant do shit unless we get the senate

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Response to samnsara (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:06 PM

8. Legislatively of course

I think that they're referring more to things that he can do at the Executive level

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 03:50 PM

36. Nope, we don't have the courts and believe me, it will matter. In 2016 we basically

committed political suicide by failing to stop Donald Trump and elect Hillary Clinton. We barely survived this and have lost a great deal of power because of it.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:04 PM

5. "In my opinion according to the things i've read " biden is backing off

We dont have the numbers

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:06 PM

7. How exactly is Biden to pass progressive legislation

with this congress? Even if we win the Senate, we will not be able to
remove the filibuster. And our majority in the house is tight with purple
seats being at major risk in two years. Biden will do well to pass a few
moderate pieces of legislation like infrastructure in the next two years.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:06 PM

9. There's a problem right there

"I have a lot of left-wing friends on Facebook/Twitter..."

At best, both are fonts of people's opinion, unburdened by actual fact. At worst, they are cesspools of disinformation.

If you trust your friends, ask for their sources. So far, the sources I see for these points are "anonymous" sources, or concern trolls.

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Response to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:08 PM

13. I try not to get into it too much with them

because, like with Trumpers, some of them have their minds up and they won't budge or show their homework

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 03:52 PM

37. Then we move to the middle and win elections that way. Our survival is at stake.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 03:52 PM

38. It is frustrating to say the least.

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Response to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 05:54 PM

57. THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾, I'm sick if the overtly anecdotal post tilting negative towards dems

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:07 PM

10. ...

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:08 PM

11. The student debt and detention policy proposals that Biden ran on were extremely targeted and

narrow, so if someone conflated those plans with something more widespread, I'd assume they weren't paying attention.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:08 PM

12. cool story bro !

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:10 PM

14. If there's one thing we're good at, it's a circular firing squad.

I mean, he isn't even in office yet.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:12 PM

15. Good Christ, he hasn't even been inaugurated yet!

Let's at least let him put his family photos on his desk in the Oval Office and start rescinding Trump's worst EOs before the juicebox revolutionaries start whining that they haven't gotten their ponies yet.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:14 PM

16. Just to be clear

I'm not saying that I believe or agree with this but just wondering where it may be coming from- if it has any basis or not.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:16 PM

17. FFS, at least let him get sworn in before starting in on him.

Maybe give him some time to focus on the pandemic and vaccine distribution.

It's not like we're having a national emergency or anything.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:21 PM

20. you could ask your FB friends for documentation and proof for their claims nt

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:21 PM

21. Biden has said he wants to limit student debt forgiveness

to 50k or something like that.

He has also said he won't be able to reverse Trump's detention policies right away. Remember some of the Obama era immigration policies were kind of a step backward (imho). I inferred from what Biden said is that at least initially he will go back to having asylum/migration cases decided in the originating country via US Embassy before anyone actually comes to the US.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:33 PM

25. This must be what they're jumping on then

Thanks. I was just seeking information, not looking to start anything but I think others might have misinterpreted my post as such.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 04:38 PM

48. Yes, that's my impression, too

Delaware is HQ to lots of financial institutions, constituents Biden represented for years. It's a plus Biden is willing to cancel student loan debt at all imo.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:23 PM

22. Maybe we can wait until he takes the Oath of Office?

I mean, really...

The "many people are saying" crap has been old for a very long time.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:34 PM

26. They can't even wait til he's sworn in to start this crap?

And here I thought it was bad when after Obama had been in office about a month I saw titles on Common Dreams like “ Feel Betrayed Yet?”

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Response to johnp3907 (Reply #26)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:35 PM

27. I know

it's frustrating to see

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:37 PM

29. My guess is that he has a very long and still rapidly growing

priority list and it's not that he backed off but lowered those issues on the priority list.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:43 PM

30. I'm embarrassed I read this.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 03:06 PM

32. More shit-stirring...

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 03:43 PM

33. Depends on the Senate what Biden can do...we need unity...how about skipping posts like this?

Consider it was this sort of thing that gave us Trump when some chose not vote, vote for Stein, stay home etc rather than vote for Hillary Clinton. Vote Blue no matter who.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 03:46 PM

34. Was it John Barron?

Not asking for anyone..

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 04:14 PM

40. Oh for the love of God..

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 04:15 PM

41. How would they know?

He's not even in office yet. People like that love to complain about the Democratic Party, and they will invent complains to do it.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 04:16 PM

42. He hasn't even been sworn in yet. Give me a fucking BREAK.

Fuck this noise.

Seriously.


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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #42)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 04:55 PM

51. +10000000

 

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 04:17 PM

43. Literally don't care

 



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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 04:23 PM

45. Did anyone believe the Russian influence machine would just go away when Biden was elected?

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 04:31 PM

46. OTOH, maybe some things were planted or exaggerated

so this number can he played on him.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 05:00 PM

52. Yeah, Where's the PROOF? Biden

& Harris WON.. how much did they help that?

Think of the Deep Shit we'd be in If they had their way.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 05:04 PM

53. Personally I don't see any changes

Biden will have a very hard time unless we win the Senate, and they still can filibuster. Important to not lose sight of progressive goals, but what can pass now may not be what we want.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 05:18 PM

54. If you have lots of friends like that, you may want to take a good look at yourself.

People tend to associate with those of like mind. It's human nature.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 05:45 PM

56. Why not ask them where they get their information & get links.

Then you can analyze whether "they're miscontruing and/or taking out of context." Just sayin.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 07:30 PM

58. BTW what the fuck is a Dem ?

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #58)

Tue Jan 5, 2021, 12:47 PM

60. Shorthand for a Democrat

Is there a problem with that?

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2021, 07:41 PM

59. Biden's motto is "Never promise anything you can't deliver."

He didn't make any promises he'd "back off" from once in office.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2021, 12:48 PM

61. Trashing...all such article posted here that show dems in disarray will be trashed. We need unity.

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