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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 05:59 AM

Apparently my neighbors are right wing wackos

Had a talk to my neighbors today from a distance over the fence, have know them a while but never really got beyond saying hello, boy was I in for a shock. It just so happened that they had the radio on which was in the middle of a news update on Covid, cue the craziness. Here's the bullet points of the discussion.

- They said that Covid is the same as the normal yearly flu.
- That no more people have died this year than would normally have, when I brought up the actual statistics showing more deaths they declared that those people were going to die anyway!
- That locking down has helped no country at all, after pointing out some countries have done well locking down they started to list countries that recorded lots of cases only after the lock down was lifted apparently unaware this was the case.
- That the media is trying to trick us by pretending people are following Covid restrictions when they're not. This one really confused me as if there is really no extra danger to them as they say then why would hiding a mass amount of people ignoring restrictions make a difference.
- That Covid is the biggest scam ever created.
- That the tourism industry somehow made profits from cancelling people's trips despite them being unable to organize further trips. This is the point where I seriously started wondering for their mental health, I have no idea how they drew this conclusion.
- That "they" didn't want to stop Covid and were actively sabotaging attempts to get the world back to normal. I didn't stick around to find out who "they" are.

I'm kind of shocked after this, they always seemed so nice, I never would have imagined the complete disregard for life they could show, the point where they declared that anyone who died from Covid was meant to die was particularly sad to me.

I just don't get it, how are some people this far off from reality? How can they have such little regard for life? Why do they think everyone is trying to trick them and get them? Why do they switch from Covid isn't dangerous to it's a threat and back again in the space of then minutes? I feel like I entered the Twilight Zone and nothing makes sense anymore.

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Reply Apparently my neighbors are right wing wackos (Original post)
Whotheone Jan 3 OP
Sugarmaggie Jan 3 #1
Rorey Jan 3 #6
jaxexpat Jan 3 #27
Hortensis Jan 3 #43
yankeepants Jan 3 #2
Canoe52 Jan 3 #22
WinstonSmith4740 Jan 3 #40
secondwind Jan 3 #3
Laelth Jan 3 #49
Rorey Jan 3 #4
mdbl Jan 3 #5
diane in sf Jan 3 #7
KPN Jan 3 #8
leftyladyfrommo Jan 3 #23
KPN Jan 3 #52
captain queeg Jan 3 #9
ToxMarz Jan 3 #18
WinstonSmith4740 Jan 3 #45
BlueJac Jan 3 #10
John Ludi Jan 3 #11
jaxexpat Jan 3 #28
twodogsbarking Jan 3 #12
Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 3 #13
onetexan Jan 3 #24
Jetheels Jan 3 #14
Squidly Jan 3 #15
stopbush Jan 3 #16
Martin Eden Jan 3 #17
appleannie1 Jan 3 #42
Martin Eden Jan 3 #55
whathehell Jan 3 #19
blueinredohio Jan 3 #26
whathehell Jan 3 #34
blueinredohio Jan 3 #48
whathehell Jan 3 #50
whathehell Jan 3 #51
DeminPennswoods Jan 3 #20
Vinca Jan 3 #21
niyad Jan 3 #36
bucolic_frolic Jan 3 #25
pansypoo53219 Jan 3 #29
PatSeg Jan 3 #30
Tommymac Jan 3 #31
UCmeNdc Jan 3 #32
Duppers Jan 3 #57
niyad Jan 3 #33
BGBD Jan 3 #35
Chainfire Jan 3 #44
BGBD Jan 3 #47
CurtEastPoint Jan 3 #37
ecstatic Jan 3 #38
Ferrets are Cool Jan 3 #39
Shermann Jan 3 #41
Ilsa Jan 3 #46
KY_EnviroGuy Jan 3 #54
KY_EnviroGuy Jan 3 #53
Duppers Jan 3 #59
Ziggysmom Jan 3 #56
beaglelover Jan 3 #58
Polybius Jan 3 #60
Piasladic Jan 3 #61

Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:12 AM

1. My heart is so heavy

There is 70+mil with same mindset. Not sure if it’s a coping mechanism, general ignorance, revealing of what’s been lurking under the surface of a general lack of empathy and humanity.

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Response to Sugarmaggie (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:21 AM

6. If they could look at themselves from the outside in

maybe they'd see things differently.

It's terrifying how what many would have once considered abhorrent behavior is not disturbing to them.

I can say this as a survivor of being with a narcissist for several decades. I look back at some of the things I tolerated and wonder who the hell was I that I was putting up with such despicable behavior.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:08 AM

27. Strange but true. Some folks are incapable of introspection.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:10 AM

43. Yes. They have been studied ever since WWII. Just imagine

how shocked the western world was that an advanced white Christian nation could do what the Third Reich did. With your experience you undoubtedly know it, but one specific finding of studying them is that they CAN'T look at themselves from the outside. Or much of anything, critical analysis almost nonexistent.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:13 AM

2. Do you live next door to my sister?!

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Response to yankeepants (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:42 AM

22. Did your sister marry my brother?

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Response to Canoe52 (Reply #22)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:03 AM

40. Is your brother my hair dresser?

n/t

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:14 AM

3. It's not you. It's them. Cult mentality.


It’s sad, yet very frightening

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Response to secondwind (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:24 AM

49. That and the right-wing media bubble.

Some people get off on the victim mentality and permanent state of outrage that the right-wind media bubble fosters, and many of them get addicted to it--to the point where they distrust any information that doesn't come from within the bubble.

-Laelth

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:15 AM

4. My neighbor

I've lived in my house for 17 years and have had a good relationship with everyone on my street, and especially with one of my immediate neighbors. I knew she was a Republican, but I didn't think she was a trump supporter. We just never talked politics because I didn't want any kind of rift considering that neither of us is likely to move.

Well, right after the election she called me to chat, and brought up the election. She was very upset. She started talking about all of the great things that she thought OrangeAss had done for the country. I told her I couldn't stand him and elaborated just a bit about what a despicable creature he is.

I bit my tongue a lot during that conversation.

Things got cold. I tried to call her prior to Christmas to wish her happy holidays, which is something we always did. She didn't answer. I figured she must still be pretty upset. She finally did call me just before Christmas, and we had a nice chat with NO mention of anything political.

Ordinarily I'd distance myself from Republicans, because I feel that anyone who can STILL support the asshole is just not the kind of person I want to have in my life. But our relationship is pretty casual, and she's in her 70s and unlikely to change. I don't wish to upset her. She's got some health issues and I see no point in getting her riled.

I've distanced myself from a lot of people in real life and social media over the last four years, but like I said, I have no intention of moving and neither does she, unless she has to for health reasons. In this case, I'm going to keep things on a quiet level.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:18 AM

5. You forgot to remind them...

- that Bill Gates is adding nanoprobes into the vaccines to control everyone's brain

That's an important thing they left out. Morans!

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:25 AM

7. They are brainwashed by fox and other right wing propaganda and actual informatiom

will not change their minds.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:32 AM

8. You/we have entered The Twilight Zone. I had a very similar

experience when I bumped into a former co-worker in a supermarket recently. He spouted almost identical views. Beliefs that are beyond my comprehension.

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Response to KPN (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:43 AM

23. That's when you look at them and say. "you are smarter

than that!"

I think these people have always been here. They have just found their voice and we are hearing more about
all the crazy stuff.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 11:34 AM

52. Amazingly, he is! I'll remember that line if there's

a next time around.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:37 AM

9. There's no use wasting breath on them

I talked to my brother over Christmas. I try to avoid any political stuff because I know he is a Republican but it came up. I know he hates trump and knows he’s a liar and a con artist but he told me he had to vote for him again. I was a little surprised because I know he actually hates him. He said he just couldn’t bring himself to vote for a socialist. The brainwashing in America is bone deep.

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Response to captain queeg (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:33 AM

18. They are all the same, unbelievable!

My brother, a Trumpster, I thought was coming around. He complained that he can no longer have the news on at home because he doesn't want his 8 and 10 year to hear what comes out of and around Trump's mouth everyday. Yet he voted for him again, believes the vote was rigged and America is doomed if Democrats hold office. Unbelievable!

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Response to captain queeg (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:21 AM

45. Try this the next time someone throws the "Socialist" label out there.

We all know that some of the most popular programs in this country are basically socialist...parks, education, roads, etc. Just ask him what he's willing to give up in the name of capitalism. Does he have kids? So I'm assuming he's prepared to pay private school fees to educate them. Ready to pay a toll on EVERY street you drive on? Have people on hand that can put the fire out in case your house goes up in flames? You get the idea...I'm generally met with a lot of blank stares, blinking, and muttering.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:48 AM

10. It is sad to see this craziness.

I feel like we are in an episode of twilight zone that has no ending!

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:57 AM

11. This...

is what societal collapse looks like.

I strongly recommend not engaging people of this mindset...it'll just make you a future target for them when things get REALLY out of hand.

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Response to John Ludi (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:14 AM

28. Agree, keep your cards close to your chest, as they say.

It's probably what polite Romans of Constantine's time did when evangelized by early Christians.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:03 AM

12. Avoid thy neighbor,

neighbor. I decided early on that I would avoid people as much as possible and wear a mask. The mask is a little inconvenience while avoiding people ain't so bad.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:10 AM

13. Stay away from them.

They hang out with like minded people, and are therefore far more likely to contract and spread covid than people who take precautions.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:47 AM

24. yup. My 2 neighbors on our left side are trumpers. Thankfully they didn't put up any trump signs or

other GOP candidate signs. My yard had Biden/Harris & quite a few state & local candidates signs and they didn't complain about them. We make it a point not to associate w these trumping neighbors unless we have good reason to. They're not in their right mind.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:15 AM

14. I share your bewilderment.

I’ve spent the last 4 plus years trying to understand how this is happening. My theories have been many, including; they are just stupid, they’re brainwashed, blue dress gold dress, they’re racist, they’re sociopath, low information, they worship rich people, some sort of genetic malfunction, malnutrition, forever chemical brain alteration, pesticide poisoning, alien abduction. Or a combination of any of these.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:17 AM

15. a lot of "good" and "nice" people have been brainwashed

Its crazy how they all will spew the exact same talking points. They have been systematically programmed over the last 4 decades plus to be this way. There really is no hope for them.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:18 AM

16. They believe they are in possession of a deep knowledge that the rabble - us - don't possess.

Like tRump, they are stupid people who believe they are geniuses. If you asked them where they ranked on the financial scale, they’d tell you they were in the upper 10%. They are living a cheap reality that doesn’t come with the costs that attend living a factual existence. I’ll bet you they are also deeply religious.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:32 AM

17. They think they're savvy to what's really going on

And it's the rest of us who've been conned by the fake news media.

People who've been watching Fox News and listening to Rush Limbaugh have been programmed for decades to believe the kind of nonsense they spouted.

And those rightwing media outlets are gateway drugs to Breitbart, Infowars, QAnon, etc.

They can be nice friendly people who function normally in professional careers. Their beliefs aren't necessarily fueled by inherent hatred and racism. Many religious folk who were raised as conservative Republicans rely on Fow News for information and opinion which is all too often reinforced by religious leaders.

The alternate reality built up over the years forms an ideology which is embraced in full, linking politics and religion. Their belief system of God and country is built on a foundation of lies, but they don't know that. No rational, logical, fact-based argument can dissuade them. They will reject your facts as fake news and simply will not see the glaring contradictions they've embraced.

It's much easier to fool someone than to get them to accept they've been played for a fool.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:07 AM

42. You are describing my sister and her husband.

I will say that when I visited them pre covid, she told him to please not turn the TV on for a couple days. FOX is a 24/7 thing in their house except when Rush is on the radio. They are Evangelical Christians. I love my sister and we do speak. I can be with her for short periods of time. We dance around certain subjects when we communicate. We both agree not to disagree. It is sad but at least we can still talk to each other. I have blocked my B-I-L from my e-mail simply because I got tired of deleting all the crap he sends on a daily basis but we still do speak when I fly down to visit them. We have learned over the years to love each other from a distance but at least we still can.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #42)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 12:22 PM

55. I have conservative relatives I love

They're not Fox/Limbaugh 24/7, but I'm pretty sure they voted for Trump.

We don't talk very often. They know where I stand, so politics is avoided.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:35 AM

19. I just wonder..

Does anyone talking to these people challenge them, even gently.like asking them, "What makes you think that"?

As to the bizarre statement "They were going to die anyway"
wouldn't one ask "Who says"? or "Then what's the point of medicine and doctors"?

Thanks for posting..I'm not in any way criticizing your choice to disengage with them, but I just feel someone needs to get to the bottom of this crazed thinking.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #19)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:00 AM

26. My Hannity loving aunt called me the other night.

Started talking about covid. She's not going to let this virus stop her from doing things she wants to do. This is a woman who never went too many places to start with, church and out to eat on Sunday. Her husband goes to the grocery store. She said she wears a mask but she's not afraid, when God wants her he will take her. I didn't comment on that at least she's wearing a mask. But when she said kids don't get it I told her my 10 year old granddaughter was exposed and quarantined. Then doctors and hospitals get more money if they put covid on the death certificate I told her that was a lie coming from Fox. She suddenly had to go. Oh well.

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Response to blueinredohio (Reply #26)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:45 AM

34. I can't imagine why they think.Covid is some sort of left wing plot, or something

Do they think the same of Tuberculosis or the Swine flu?..,I mean, why would doctors "get more money" if they put Covid on a Death Certificate? I've heard the allegation before, but I never hear their reasoning for it.. Admittedly, I haven't talked to any right wingers for awhile, so I do appreciate the input of those who have

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Response to whathehell (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:57 AM

48. Of course most of the stuff she hears is from Fox news.

But she said one of her Amish friends told her he knew it for a fact. That's the same people who don't believe in vaccines and hate the government. I'm sure she heard it from Hannity who she loves.

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Response to blueinredohio (Reply #48)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:56 AM

51. Well, there you go..

Faulty sources coupled, it seems, with a complete lack of critical thinking skills.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:35 AM

20. Remember, the majority of Americans are not as tuned

to current events as DU'ers. They are busy living their lives and catch information intermittently and from what they see and hear around them. Just calmly inject some facts here and there into the conversation. You never know what will penetrate and stick.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:36 AM

21. The nonbelievers change their tune when they're in the ICU. Ignore the fools.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:52 AM

36. Not even then according to some very sad stories posted here recently.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:48 AM

25. Sounds like paranoia and mental instability, they are Trump cultists

Must be Trump's speeches and Bund rallies, where he holds up his right hand and gestures, articulates every word, waffles left then right, and arrives at the conclusion he is the greatest. It's a brainwashing technique. Has to be. People like your neighbors are so weak they are being led around by the nose, by someone famous and no one famous ever paid them any attention before.

What'cha think? Does it fit?

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:28 AM

29. my conservative epal is a mask wearer + careful, but she pooh poohs are the shutdown.

went on that the death rate 9% 2019 + this year the same. i keep pointing out the infactiousness + affect on medical system. $$$. but hasn't said a thing since biden's win. she thinks her FL gov is doing a fine job. trump did fine w/ covid.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:32 AM

30. Well, at least you in good company here

Welcome to DU!

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:34 AM

31. 1500+ Channels of AM HATE Radio

Rush and Clear Channel are the MAIN propaganda arm of the fascist Right.

Been that way for 20+ years - since President Clinton signed the TeleCommunication Act of 1996 that allowed a few mega corps to own almost all the media outlets in this country.

The Hill: Bill Clinton’s telecom law: Twenty years later
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/268459-bill-clintons-telecom-law-twenty-years-later
Some have argued that parts of the law had detrimental effects on the communications market. A 2005 report from public interest group Common Cause found that political forces blunted its impact.

“In many ways, the Telecom Act failed to serve the public and did not deliver on its promise of more competition, more diversity, lower prices, more jobs and a booming economy,” the group said. “Instead, the public got more media concentration, less diversity, and higher prices.”



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Response to Tommymac (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:41 AM

32. Agree!

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Response to Tommymac (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 01:24 PM

57. Absolutely! 👍👍 TY!

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:41 AM

33. Welcome to our DU family. Unlike your neighbors, most of the people here are sane. (Can't

vouch for myself!). You are in good company here.

Unfortunately, we are appalled and sickened to see what fifty years of reichwing propaganda is doing. From the deliberate dumbing down of our schools to the churches to the reichwing media, it has been steady programming.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:49 AM

35. "They"

Usually actually means (((they))).

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Response to BGBD (Reply #35)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:18 AM

44. They means us

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Response to Chainfire (Reply #44)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:28 AM

47. There is often

A thinly vailed antisemitic direction when conspiracy theorists start using they. It starts leading back to Soros or the Rothschild.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:52 AM

37. Welcome to DU!

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:54 AM

38. Ignorance regarding the Internet and social media

Billions of people are now "online" with no formal training or even a basic understanding of how various content ends up on the Internet.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:57 AM

39. "how are some people this far off from reality?'

A willingness to absorb and regurgitate right wing propaganda. And, it mirrors their mental views and shows the world what is really in their soul.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:04 AM

41. I think it's also the greener grass effect

Trump cultivated the idea that all of the thorniest problems have super-easy solutions (trade deficits, national debt, immigration). Or, that they aren't really problems at all (climate change, race relations, coronavirus).

In reality these problems require stark choices be made, and there will be winners and losers. So when the pain of these tradeoffs and sacrifices is being felt, the MAGA-verse will flee to the narrative that there is an easier path we should be on.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:23 AM

46. I wonder if some of the crazy ideas are a test by

whoever has the media microphone to see where the line is: "Is this crazy idea or statement too extreme to be believed, or do we have our followers so deluded that they'll believe this, say that, and act on this? How far can we push 5% of them, 40% of them, etc? What are they willing to sacrifice for the lies we tell to stay in power?"

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #46)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 12:17 PM

54. I believe Russia plants the seeds for these conspiracy theories.....

on social media via their massive propaganda machine. Their objective around the globe is to sow confusion and delusion among the world's citizens and to swing governments toward the right and fascism. China is know to play these games as well.

It's been proven they did this during the 2015/16 U.S. election and during the UK's Brexit campaign.

Russia and China are both very patient and clandestine adversaries.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 12:06 PM

53. That information bubble they live in will burst in time.

Just ask them for written proof and source info for any one of those claims. I'll bet they never get back to you.

If, by remote chance they do respond, that would open a window for you to hand them a written rebuttal and you could then exchange written notes. If nothing else, that would give you closure on the issue.

There's something magic and revealing for me to write down my beliefs and problems down on paper.


KY......

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #53)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 01:25 PM

59. Good idea!

👍

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 01:22 PM

56. It's that damn word Socialist!

People don’t understand democratic socialism is a good thing and not leading to full blown communism! Democratic socialists believe in democracy and not a full authoritarian government many Americans associate socialism with.

For Pete’s sake, show me a repubicon who turns down Social Security, Medicare or Federal Student loans? The wealthy take for granted that the poor and middle class pay taxes so they don’t have to.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 01:25 PM

58. Same as the normal yearly flu??? How can anyone believe that??

I don't remember our ICUs in L.A. Country being completely full EVER and I've lived here since 1988. Fools!

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 01:31 PM

60. Never assume they they are right-wing just because of the radio station that was on

Multiple things could have happened. They could have been switching stations right before they talked to you, just looking for something and got sidetracked when they say you, and stopped tuning.

Perhaps the station has both right-wing and left-wing shows, such as WABC did. Maybe the left-wing one just ended, and they weren't paying attention.

Or maybe they were like me growing up. I listened to hard-right Bob Grant, and then progressive Lynn Samuels. I enjoyed listening to right-wing nuts, just to see what wacky things they spew.

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Response to Whotheone (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 01:42 PM

61. mine too

I've posted before of their inordinate love of flags, mostly of the nutty confederate, bastardized American, and trump loving types. It would not be hyperbolic to say they have at least 8 flags and a yard sign up. Most recently, they have remove their prime flag (trump bullshit one) from its place (moved it to the porch), and now proudly hang a F* Biden one.

I am amazed that it was a collaborative effort of both the male (hanging it) and female (holding the ladder). I guess he and his partner are getting along a bit better or he has found a a new one. I've heard the sad and desperate cries and vomit early in the mornings lately bemoaning his loneliness and loss... I still feel sorry for him. I just hope he doesn't shoot me.

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