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Sat Jan 2, 2021, 08:30 PM

House and Senate Members will not be under oath on the 6th for their debate

Worse, they will be covered by the Speech and Debate Clause so will continue to lie through their teeth.

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Reply House and Senate Members will not be under oath on the 6th for their debate (Original post)
bottomofthehill Jan 2021 OP
efhmc Jan 2021 #1
Plectranthus Jan 2021 #2
obamanut2012 Jan 2021 #4
Enterstageleft Jan 2021 #3
Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #5
brush Jan 2021 #6
tritsofme Jan 2021 #7
bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #8
Boomerproud Jan 2021 #17
quaker bill Jan 2021 #9
former9thward Jan 2021 #10
Klaralven Jan 2021 #11
Baclava Jan 2021 #12
StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #13
Baclava Jan 2021 #16
bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #14
Klaralven Jan 2021 #15
bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #18
StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #19
bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #20
StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #21
onenote Jan 2021 #22
bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #24
bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #25
bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #23
bluestarone Jan 2021 #26
bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #27
bluestarone Jan 2021 #28

Response to bottomofthehill (Original post)

Sat Jan 2, 2021, 08:34 PM

1. Being under oath matters absolutely nothing to them so whatever.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Original post)

Sat Jan 2, 2021, 08:41 PM

2. Oh my fucking god

We are fucked

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Response to Plectranthus (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 2, 2021, 08:44 PM

4. lolz

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Response to bottomofthehill (Original post)

Sat Jan 2, 2021, 08:43 PM

3. They are under oath when the swear to uphold the Constitution...

You see how much good that does!

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Response to bottomofthehill (Original post)

Sat Jan 2, 2021, 08:47 PM

5. Debates in congress are never under oath

Furthermore, even when in hearings, when witnesses are sworn in, legislators are not.

That is the way it goes.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Original post)

Sat Jan 2, 2021, 08:47 PM

6. They can lie all they want to prolong the proceedings but Joe and Kamala...

will be sworn in on the 20th.

Period.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Original post)

Sat Jan 2, 2021, 08:52 PM

7. I guess I am confused why you think members constitutional protections would be suspended

during this process?

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 2, 2021, 10:13 PM

8. I did not think they would be suspended

I just pointed out the fact that they will continue to lie through their teeth and be protected.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 12:03 AM

17. The Dems should use their time to shred these oafs.

Won't be watching the Kabuki theatre.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Original post)

Sat Jan 2, 2021, 10:24 PM

9. That is the whole point

they can't present their 'fraud' in court under oath, this is the one big venue where they can air all the BS out without perjury charges. The ghost of Hugo Chavez will ride again!

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Response to bottomofthehill (Original post)

Sat Jan 2, 2021, 11:02 PM

10. When are any Senators or House members "under oath"?

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Response to bottomofthehill (Original post)

Sat Jan 2, 2021, 11:29 PM

11. But for any given state, they can only speak for 5 minutes within a space of 2 hours.

 

Nothing of substance will be presented.

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Response to Klaralven (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 2, 2021, 11:37 PM

12. Wait, so any state that wants to talk gets 2 hours? Is that for both House and Senate?

Is that what you mean? They be yakking for a week!

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Response to Baclava (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 2, 2021, 11:46 PM

13. No.

 

Each member/senator can only speak once for maximum of five minutes. And the total time for debate is limited to two hours.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 2, 2021, 11:53 PM

16. I heard so many things

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Response to Baclava (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 2, 2021, 11:47 PM

14. Each state that gets objected to gets 2 hours of Debate

The joint session must recess, the senate must return to the senate chamber to debate and the house must debate then they both vote then the senate returns to the house chamber the joint session is re convened the vote is reported by each house and then they go on to the next state until objection is heard and is presented in writing to the presiding officer then the whole process repeats itself. Should take about 4 hours total per state objected to so if they object to AZ, GA, NV, MI, PA, and WI could take about 24 hours. It will not change the outcome and actually, the objection will probably fail in both houses but it will take time. Someone may have a long day on Wed if these fools play out the whole string.

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Response to Baclava (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 2, 2021, 11:49 PM

15. If there is a challenge regarding a state, such as PA, they retire to their own chambers to vote

 

Debate in each chamber is limited to 2 hours. During the 2 hours, each congressman who speaks is allotted 5 minutes.

So each slate of electors that is challenged will take about 3 hours to resolve, given that it must take some time for the Senators to amble back and forth between the House and the Senate chambers.

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Response to Klaralven (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 12:06 AM

18. Senators are old, the walk with a bathroom break back and forth will take a few.

The House takes a good hour to vote. It will be closer to 4 hours per objection.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 12:49 AM

19. It probably won't take that long

 

They don't have to wait for all of the senators and congresspersons to get back to their chamber to start the debate. They can start as soon as there is a quorum.

And House votes only take about 15 minutes. If Pelosi cracks a whip, it should take well under three hours. And the Senate can go even quicker.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #19)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 01:47 AM

20. Pre Covid house votes took 15 minutes

Covid House votes take over an hour. There are 7 groups of roughly 70 members at 10 minute intervals to ensure social distancing on the Floor of the House.

It took just about 3 hours when Congresswoman Tubbs-Jones and Senator Boxer objected in 2004 and that was when a 15 minute vote was actually close ton15 minutes.

The House gets sworn in tomorrow, watch how long it takes to establish a quorum and to vote for the Speaker. Then you will have n idea of what Wednesday holds if they object to 6 states. It will be close to 24 hours.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 01:58 AM

21. I forgot about the new timeframe for voting

 

But I still don't think it will take 4 hours per state. They should be able to allow proxy voting, allowing some Members to vote remotely, which will speed things up.

I wonder if they can agree to have all of the objections dealt with at the same proceeding, eliminating the need for both chambers to gather the joint session, recess upon an objection, debate, vote, then gather again for the next states, and donut all over again. Not sure if that's possible, but if it is, they'll likely do it that way since neither McConnell nor Pelosi want this dragged out any longer than necessary and will try to keep this moving as quickly as possible.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 02:55 AM

22. I believe in the House, the rule will be 1 hour per side

And I expect the Democrats will not use their entire time, nor will they yield it to the Republicans. If so, they can cut the time substantially.

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Response to onenote (Reply #22)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:54 PM

24. Nope two hours same rules as always.

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Response to onenote (Reply #22)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:55 PM

25. Sorry, did not correctly read your text

Correct one hour per side. Hopefully the democrats will not use all of their time.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:53 PM

23. Proxy voting is a possibility

But each state sets its two hours in the order they are called.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:01 PM

26. How do they decide which states go first?

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #26)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:03 PM

27. Its actually alphabetical order. First state with possible vote is AZ

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:06 PM

28. AH, ok TY

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