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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsanother reason I won't quit facebook.
I've mentioned before that my local Democratic groups are on there. I've also said that my extended family, scattered all over the US, is on there. I have relationships with nieces, great nieces, nephews, etc, I've never met in real life, and cherish that.
Just yesterday I attended a fb live feed in which my great niece learned she is having a boy! and then her boyfriend kneeled, put a ring on her finger, and I was able to be there and share that moment.
But there's even another reason. In 2001 my daughter was killed 13 days after her 21st birthday. Through the years I have heard, through facebook, from friends of hers, some I had never even met myself. Her memorial page on facebook was created by one of those friends and we met at Bekah's grave in 2018 for the first time. The little girl who lived next door when Bekah was 6 reached out around that time and we met at Bekah's grave in 2019; hadn't seen each other in over 25 years. And more. 5 years after she died; 10 years after she died; 15 years after she died.
Her best friend from grade school just messaged me yesterday; I haven't seen nor heard from her since Bekah's funeral. I knew she'd married and did not know her last name. She had moved to a different state before Bekah's death.
It's hard to try to explain how it makes me feel as a mother to know that all these years later, Bekah truly is not forgotten. It means a lot. My girl inspired so much love and touched so many people. It's a gift and I will keep that avenue open as long as I can.
Here's Bekah (left) with her best friend in 4th grade. They were so prim and proper and young and beautiful.
CurtEastPoint
(18,639 posts)for many people, in many ways. It's a tool and must be used carefully.
I'm so sorry for the loss of your daughter. It's nice to know her memory lives on .
barbtries
(28,787 posts)i have had to block the son of one of my best friends because he was stalking me with the most absurd propaganda. the final straw was when he claimed Sandy Hook was a hoax.
I have a blocked list of probably over 1000 users and it grows all the time. Also I have a policy of verifying anything with a quick search, depending on the source. If i can't find it I won't share it. I know I live in a liberal bubble but do my best. Still clinging to reality if you will.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)So sorry for your loss, but happy for what you have found on FB. I have lost righties who I didn't know were trumpers, but I have found folks who are true Dems and that has been a comfort. I am also on Liker where there are a lot of folks who lean left.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)ding! never heard of it
Brainstormy
(2,380 posts)at least with my sanity, without Facebook. Without the constant support, encouragement, and laughs from the hundreds of people I know personally, and some I've come to know, this would have been a much sadder time. I learn when people have died, have moved, have had babies or grand babies. I can share in their successes and failures. Nothing else on the internet provides the connections, and the easy dialogue that Facebook offers. Like you, all my political groups are on FB, and my hobby group which is important on a daily basis. The central thing though is that Facebook encourages genuine human connections. It would be the absolute last thing I gave up on the web.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)if i had to give up everything but one, but yes. FB has helped me through this pandemic. Alone, but not alone.
MaryMagdaline
(6,853 posts)Rorey
(8,445 posts)I'm so sorry for your loss.
I also am not going to quit FB. It's a valuable research tool. I'm using it now to keep tabs on my brother. We don't really keep in touch at all, sometimes going a year or two without contact, but he's still my brother.
It's also an easy way to keep up with extended family. My own page is completely locked down, and I rarely post, but I don't fault someone who does.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)including political stuff. I've been asked to refrain but my stock response is, "I'm raising consciousness."
Almost daily I post a link about covid. The death toll is so high that people just don't want to confront it, but the danger remains for anyone still alive.
But the personal part is the one that I can NOT give up. When I got the friend request this morning I had no idea who this person was! Then I went to her page and there was her maiden name, and a message from her telling me how much she still thinks about Bekah and how much she loves her. She has a little girl now about the same age they were when they became friends.
Bettie
(16,089 posts)I am part of a group of women who all lost babies around the same time, over 20 years ago. We went from an email list to a yahoo group to Facebook. It has been 22 years since we lost our daughter at birth and these women are such an important part of my life, we've all seen each other through so much, including the cancer death of one of us.
Facebook is awful sometimes, but when it is good, it is worthwhile.
Sorry for your loss.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)Back when Bekah died, I made a yahoo group to memorialize her. it may still be out there, but hasn't been touched for years. Her memorial page was created by a friend of hers who asked me first. Now it's still there, but we can't get into it because he forgot what email he used and the password. We spent an hour trying to get into it with no luck. but it can be tagged and pictures shared and gets a fair amount of attention.
It's a treasure for me.
https://www.facebook.com/bekah.zaskmemorialpage
Bettie
(16,089 posts)I had to laugh at forgetting the email the page was made under though, I've seen that happen a lot over the years to many people. Me? My email never changes!
barbtries
(28,787 posts)not for probably 20 years by now. my cell phone too. i'm stable.
JI7
(89,246 posts)graduated 1998. and you??
JI7
(89,246 posts)the south bay area. I currently work in Hermosa Beach .
I graduated high school in 1997 and went to schools in Lomita, Torrance , Gardena while growing up.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)you're in Bekah's peer group. We probably know some of the same people.
I went to Torrance High.
My oldest son lives in El Segundo. He plumbed a bunch of those great houses in Hermosa.
I worked at Gardena Glass for 18 years, on Western and 162nd.
I'm still homesick after over 13 years in NC. In fact, one of the worst things about 2020 is it's the only year since I moved that I didn't get to go home even once.
JI7
(89,246 posts)maybe just at the mall or beach or any number of places.
I have actually considered moving and NC has been one of the places I considered although I do have work and other things which make it tougher to just leave . But I know this will always feel like home.
I'm very sorry for what happened to your daughter and I am glad you have something like this to connect to those who knew her . I never got on facebook and the political side is very ugly and I would never use it for that but after reading your post I can see using it more to keep in touch with people in our lives.
Hoping you can make it out here sometime next year .
barbtries
(28,787 posts)i was thinking April, but now maybe...August?
I don't know. I am in a vulnerable population so hopefully I'll be vaccinated by August. If not, Thanksgiving 2021 is a must. I've been inside for most of the year with no immediate sign of relief.
I don't want to let trump get me.
PatSeg
(47,397 posts)for your daughter, as Yahoo recently discontinue all their Yahoo groups. Apparently no one was going there anymore. I am confident that Facebook will probably be around for a long time.
I think I went and copied all the posts before it went away for good. Or I have them printed somewhere in a binder, because I'm weird that way!
PatSeg
(47,397 posts)My son makes fun of my need and desire to have hard copies of some things, BUT I know that not everything online is forever, which is evident by the demise of Yahoo Groups. Also before we had Gmail, I used Outlook and eventually lost a lot of emails when one of my computers died. Most of them weren't all that important, but there was a lot of personal correspondence I would have liked to have saved. I did print out some of them at the time though!
LeftInTX
(25,238 posts)I too have webpages and FB pages...
I used to have a family webpage on aol.
Then I got a Google page for my gardening.
I'm also a Precinct Chair.
Then I tried to make Google page when we had a special election. It was soooo much work, so I quickly made a FB page....I can make events, share events. I still have much webpage, but it is so much work to update...so I just put a few basic things on it. Webpages are not as easy as they were 10 years ago. Google is making it more difficult.
Since I see you on DU, I looked up Bekah when I saw your tag line years ago.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)so much time and effort, but it was a labor of love. some of the pages still pop in some wayback machine, but not all of them. seems like fb is as close to forever as the internet will be.
Aww...just rereading your post and saw that you already knew about Bekah.
Freedomofspeech
(4,223 posts)Your daughter must have been very special for all of these friends of hers to reach out to you after all of these years.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)Clearly she was. She's the poster child for the saying only the good die young.
Freedomofspeech
(4,223 posts)I was 16 and he was such a great guy. He wanted to pursue his teaching degree when he got out of the Air Force. Sending you love and peace.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)I'm so sorry to hear about your brother. For years I thought 21 was some kind of cursed year. When my youngest son turned 22 I think I breathed a sigh of relief. Of course that's silly because people die at every age, but it was almost like the 27 for rock stars. It just seemed like so many died at 21.
snowybirdie
(5,223 posts)So many of us are separated from family, and the best way to connect is on FB. I can watch the Grand children's progress as they grow. So enjoyable. Unfortunately, because of political negativity, some family is leaving it. I'm missing them so much. So, I keep up by joining the newer, cooler versions of social media. But FB is by far the easiest. Perhaps, society will calm down soon?
barbtries
(28,787 posts)it still won't change how geographically separate we all are in my family.
I'm on instagram but hate the interface, i just don't seem to get it. And while I'm catching up to that, my kids and grandkids are into other platforms I'm just barely hearing about. Facebook has endured for quite a while.
One of my great nieces just quit fb. Hopefully I'll get to see pictures of her growing family from one of her sisters still. We did exchange numbers and emails as she announced it before she did it.
malaise
(268,913 posts)I'm not on Facebook but I often hear about friends from my siblings and friends who are on Facebook. I can imagine the pain you still feel - losing a child is forever pain.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)Going on 20 years. We've come a long way. But long ago I questioned why it is that people say, "not a day goes by that I don't think about..." as if that's a bad thing. Of course I think about Bekah every day, I think about all of my children and grandchildren every day. That's okay.
The pain. mmm...is not everyday. There are grief spasms. There are times when I feel as if someone is tapping me on the shoulder telling me Bekah died and I can't believe it's true. But it's not how I live anymore. It's more like a fact of my life. Bekah's dead and she shouldn't be. I can't change that, i can only do my best within that reality.
I can't change that, i can only do my best within that reality.
mopinko
(70,077 posts)i'm so glad i was spared your grief. i have 5 kids, all still w us. but the youngest was sick all her life, still is, and i spent a lot of time walking the halls of the children's hospital and imagining your grief. i am grateful beyond words that i do not have to carry that. so sorry you do.
i have reconnected w so many ppl from my old home town. my best friend's brother found me, and shared a story about my da that even my big sisters didnt know. and pics of the old gang.
i dont talk to many of my relatives, but the ones i do keep me in touch w what is going on.
(that irish grudge thing is real.)
i promote my small business there. it has brought me many friends and a fair amount of business.
i aint goin nowhere.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)I'm so happy for you (and her!) that your daughter has made it through. Bekah is the only one of my 4 children who I ever thought might die, when she was 7. She had a fever of unknown origin for a whole month. Until she was killed 14 years later, that experience stood in my memory as the worst time I ever had as a mother.
Rebl2
(13,490 posts)originally that was the purpose of Facebook. The ability to keep up with family and friends. Your situation demonstrates that so well. Its sad though that in some cases it is used to hurt people and spread disinformation and outright lies.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)that it's used for propaganda and lies and has been a tool that has worked to accomplish the exact opposite of that purpose. My own family is torn. We just haven't said it aloud to each other, but my oldest brother and I don't talk in real life, not for years. he's a trumpist and a foxbot. we're still friends on fb though. That was his granddaughter who had the fb live gender reveal yesterday.
PatSeg
(47,397 posts)I am so sorry you lost your lovely daughter at such a young age, but it must be comforting that her memory is kept alive on Facebook with friends and family. My niece and oldest sister died and their pages are still up on Facebook. Some of us go there on birthdays or special holidays and leave a message. It has become a 21st century tradition, one that I rather like and it allows me to share memories with people who are far away.
Over the years I have found some long lost cousins and we are in regular contact now. My other sister has even gone to visit a couple of them more than once because I'd found them on Facebook. I also found old friends I'd never imagined I would hear from again. Meanwhile, a few of my favorite DU friends drifted away from DU, but we are close friends on Facebook and interact on a daily basis. We even have our own private group there.
So much of my family is scattered all over the country and Facebook has given us a place where we can share news and photos. It has become a great way to stay connected. Thank you for sharing your story.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)That's tragic. Facebook does help continue and renew connections that would otherwise be lost.
Bekah didn't have a fb page. She was technologically a Luddite. refused to have a cell phone, we had to page her lol. I'm sure by now she would have caught up.
PatSeg
(47,397 posts)I remember when pagers were the cutting edge technology and every young person just had to have one. Vcrs, caller ID, cordless phones, and answering machines were such amazing breakthroughs if you could afford them!
Yes, some move into the technological age a bit more reluctantly than others, but eventually almost everyone ends up connected some way. I embrace some technology easily, but eschew others (I don't like voice activated devices and really have no use for a smart phone). Any progress I lag behind in, my techie son compensates for and we both dragged my daughter along when she resisted. It all balances out!
XanaDUer2
(10,641 posts)thanks for sharing. I'm still on fb for similar reasons. I would be even lonlier here wo fb. I get to see what relatives far away are doing, I use fb messenger to talk to and see them as we talk. My half sister found me on fb
barbtries
(28,787 posts)I've tried to find long lost family on fb; well, I found them but they did not respond when I reached out. but I did connect with my father's half brother 50 years after my dad's death on Ancestry, we met (living in the same state) and now his wife and i are fb friends. His younger brother, my other long lost uncle, and I were fb friends for a hot minute until he called me an idiot because he's a trumpist foxbot. funnily enough, he lives in the same city on the other side of the country as my foxbot brother. I keep thinking I should put them together but haven't done it yet. they don't have a biological relationship so it doesn't seem as important.
LymphocyteLover
(5,641 posts)So sorry about your daughter.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)when i hear people on DU saying get rid of fb i sometimes wonder how much political engagement is lost by doing so, particularly on the local level.
LymphocyteLover
(5,641 posts)I suspect the people who "delete facebook" are probably light or intermittent users who never really got the full potential of the site
GoCubsGo
(32,079 posts)It sucks that it was allowed to become a political cesspool. I try to keep it to friends and family and Internet cats. I couldn't make it to my dad's internment, so my family streamed it on Facebook for me. I was thankful for that.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)that if i become one of trump's victims and die from this virus, they should have a fb live funeral. so far i'm still alive though I have not entered a store since early March, flown since 2019, or been anywhere really. I'm heavily invested in staying alive. I'm happy for you that you were able to be there for your dad's internment.
We zoomed Christmas and Thanksgiving. I love technology. The benefits have far outweighed the risks for me.
mountain grammy
(26,618 posts)Also why I wont give up Facebook. Ive reconnected with friends from way back and new ones too as well as following live events and some really informative and fun groups.
Thank you so much for sharing your story. FB is a wonderful tool for so many of us.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)think if it wasn't there, all of us grieving in solitude, me wondering whether her friends forgot all about her. it is priceless for me.
Capperdan
(492 posts)Are you Barb, married to Bill? If so, I never knew about the loss of your daughter. I may be mixed up, but so sad to know about this so many years ago. I do FB sparingly. We should connect. Happy 2021 even if I have the wrong Barb
barbtries
(28,787 posts)Last edited Sun Dec 27, 2020, 01:57 PM - Edit history (1)
I am not that Barb. Hopefully her daughter is alive and thriving.
Capperdan
(492 posts)But Happy 2021
yellowdogintexas
(22,250 posts)also grieve especially when we had no idea of their connection.
Good news or bad news. Between texting and Facebook I am able to keep up with my sisters and their children. We are especially fond of the FB chat.
I created a secret Facebook group for my sisters, our daughters and their daughters. We post pictures, recipes etc. I share LOLcats with them every week, and other things I know they will like.
We also have a permanent 3 way texting setup - when I hear a lot of dinging from my phone I know the other two are up to something.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)to know how much of an impact my daughter made in her short time. like i said, it defies explanation, but it warms my heart and soothes my soul to know this.
seta1950
(932 posts)I joined fb, I have family all over the world, keeping in touch was great but I deleted my account, 5 years ago.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)one of my great nieces just did the same.
OldkySoul
(38 posts)barbtries
(28,787 posts)are in a sense all of ours.
on the other hand, if it wasn't fb, it would be a different platform. it is a shame however that zuckerberg is so greedy he puts no brakes on propaganda that has harmed us so very much.
marie999
(3,334 posts)NBachers
(17,099 posts)keep up with family and friends near and far; and connects me to my beloved home town which I left so many years ago.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)or chooses not to. i felt like I have a perspective that is unusual, but real and very meaningful to me.
Chemisse
(30,808 posts)Yes, it is VERY problematic as well. I've considered quitting; But not for long. My children are grown and flung across the nation, and sometimes the world, in their travels. I rely upon Facebook for connections to them and others.
We have established a special family site on MeWe, because of privacy concerns about Facebook. But still, much of our day-to-day interaction is on Facebook.
How lovely that you can connect with your daughter's friends on her memorial site. I can't even fathom the pain of losing her, and anything that helps nurture you as you remember her is a wonderful thing.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)i agree.
and ding! another site I never heard of (another poster goes on a place called Liker). MeWe.
I'm on Instagram, fb, tiktok, and twitter. And i'm very compartmentalized: fb and instagram primarily family and friends and youtube vloggers I love (I actually hate instagram but to keep up). Twitter for the resistance, almost exclusively political. TikTok for BLM.
and of course linkedin for work.
Chemisse
(30,808 posts)Because of that, I hear it has attracted right-wing groups. I don't care; I only use it for my family site.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)But for now we're all on fb, except one great niece who recently deleted her account. She has 2 sisters who are still on it though, a mother, a brother, her grandma my sister...etc
chowder66
(9,067 posts)and my brother and his wife. We talk but rarely see each other since we are all in different states.
Your story is helping to calm my nerves for rejoining.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)I block every right wing asshole I happen upon (except the ones I love; I just hide their posts). If I get ads from right wing sources I tell fb to hide or ask fb to opt me out of ever seeing any ads from them again. It really improves my experience on fb, because their algorithm catches that and tailors my experience accordingly.
i know it's a cesspool of propaganda and hate, full of russian bots and absurd conspiracy theories, violent white supremacists, and all that. I do not engage with that aspect.
it's extremely cool that we can video chat on fb now. That's how I see my oldest son these days. I have a different app on my phone that i prefer (Duo), but haven't convinced him to get it, so we chat on fb.
chowder66
(9,067 posts)catchnrelease
(1,945 posts)I few years ago I set up a private group on fb, just for the children, grandchildren and great grands of my parents. No one outside can see who is in the group or what we post. I specifically invited each one with a fb page to join, or told them and they requested to join. Because the group name is our last name, I will occasionally get a request to join from someone I don't know with the same name. I just tell them it is limited to this family and would not be relevant to them, so sorry you can't join.
I have a list of everyone's birthday, so I always schedule a 'happy birthday' post with some silly gif to go with it. So everyone gets a shout out on their day. I also post on the big holidays etc. To be honest I do most of the posts, other than a couple of the other family members once in awhile--vacation pics or graduation etc. But, I do see that most have seen the posts or given a heart or like etc. So, it keeps us in touch when we're all far apart.
On my own page I have kept it locked down as much as possible. I honestly never get any political ads and have not friended anyone that wants to fight over politics etc. Even after many years I think I have less than 60 friends, and I like it that way. I also have been lucky to join hobby/interest groups that have mods who keep a tight rein on any taboo subjects.
chowder66
(9,067 posts)citizen blues
(570 posts)Unfortunately, I'm one of the ones FB has decided to deactivate. I used it to stay in touch with groups of friends and family. It reconnected a lot of cousins in my family. I rarely posted anything political and have no idea why this happened to me. FB does not provide a way to ask why or appeal their decision. Now, I feel completely cut off. Especially during this pandemic and through the holidays, it's hurt, and it hurts. I'm trying to move on the best I can.
The FTC already has a lawsuit going against FB. I hope the FTC wins.
FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization
barbtries
(28,787 posts)maybe you can try opening a new account and connect with your loved ones.
citizen blues
(570 posts)Both times, they were deactivated with a week or two.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)and leaves no room for wondering if you should continue on FB. I'm very glad you have that.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)I have no doubt.
Hekate
(90,642 posts)Alliepoo
(2,215 posts)Bekahs age. She was 19 years old in 1997 when she was killed by drunk drivers that were drag racing. One of the cars lost control and hit the car our daughter was riding in. Her friend that was driving survived the crash. We dont have a memorial page on FB for Becky but it does allow us to stay in touch with her friends. I know just how you feel in finding some solace in knowing that our daughters live on in their friends and loved ones memories, that they are not forgotten. Im so sorry for the loss of your beautiful, beloved Bekah.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)I am so sorry. Bekah was crossing a street when a drunk went on the wrong side of the road, picked her up and dragged her down the street, then dumped her in the median and drove on home. Her killer was charged with murder but took a plea for much less and ultimately spent a little over 2 years in prison. she's dead now and presumably in a much different place than Bekah.
I'm also a MADD advocate and member of the MADD victims only page on fb, though not as active since trump took office. Very sad to say that our loss is duplicated over and over to this day by families all over.
Alliepoo
(2,215 posts)Both died. The 2 men in the other car that was drag racing acted as though they were just witnesses so it was too late to do a breathalyzer on the driver by the time police figured out he was involved. The trial was heard by an alternate judge bc the assigned judge got called to jury duty. The driver had previous charges as long as your arm, outstanding warrants and had been caught driving drunk even after he was involved in Beckys death. The jury wasnt allowed to hear any of that. He was thankfully found guilty but received only 5 years in prison for Beckys death and 3 for the passenger in the 2nd car involved in the racing. He appealed and was released. We had to go back to court several months later. The alternate judge wasnt permitted to hear the appeal so the original judge had to go through the transcripts of the trial and then we had to go back a third time to hear the judges decision. The appeal was denied and the guy finally had to go back to prison. We were involved with MADD for quite some time. Also The Compassionate Friends. Those two organizations pretty much saved me. Those days, weeks, months where I felt I couldnt possibly survive-wonderful folks were there to help us through. Although we arent too involved anymore we still support both organizations because sadly other people will need them.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)what victims' families have to endure going through the court system. When Bekah died, I reached out to MADD, Compassionate Friends, POMC, and went to grief counseling arranged through the DA's office for over 2 years. I was in a state for a very long time. I also wrote a book in that time. It all helped me so much just to know I wasn't insane and I wasn't alone. Nobody in my life before Bekah died had lost a child. They didn't "get" me.
The day the DA told us about her plea deal still stands as the second worst day of my life. I had to let it go for my own and my children's sake. I'm so sorry you were jerked around like that. We were fortunate in a sense, that it was all wrapped up within a matter of months, but were tortured by what we believed was a travesty of justice. We were fortunate that we knew right away who had killed Bekah. I have friends now who 20 and more years later still don't.
yonder
(9,663 posts)who have suffered the enduring grief with the loss of a child. We have two great, healthy kids in their 30's who are the joy of our lives. We cannot imagine the loss of either, though as any loving parent would say, the possibility is always in the back of our minds.
Though we don't use FB, your post helps me understand that for many people and for many reasons it is a literal lifeline. Thanks for helping me see that. Condolences on the loss of your daughter, Bekah.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)I'm glad if telling my story helped you understand using fb. for so many, it is not about the politics (except the local politics in my case)
Mike Nelson
(9,951 posts)... for you, but very happy Bekah is memorialized. When I joined, I posted a photo of a classmate killed in a car crash at 19. Then, I wondered if his sister would be hurt... we messaged... She was very happy to see him. Another classmate lost a daughter and posts about her all the time. I'm happy to get to know their daughter through the pictures and stories.
DU has a page, also
[link:https://www.facebook.com/democraticunderground|
barbtries
(28,787 posts)I know I love when friends share about Bekah.
dai13sy
(334 posts)for the wonderful picture of your Daughter Bekah and her friend. I'm grateful to be reminded that wonderful things do happen on Facebook. She must have been a wonderful person for all these people to remember her with good thoughts. It hugs my heart. I hope it is a blessing to you
barbtries
(28,787 posts)a blessing beyond expression.
Raine
(30,540 posts)yes very prim and proper, very ladylike.
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)And to help owners find their lost cats and dogs.
Facebook is whatever you want it to be.