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Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:17 PM

Is there a "visual connection" between trumpers today and hippies in the 60s/70s?

I've been pondering this for a while, but the thought never really jelled. Not sure it still has, but here goes anyway.

Back in the late sixties, "counterculture" members (aka hippies) dressed and behaved similarly to show they were... well... counterculture members. Back then they were dedicated liberals, at least in public. Meanwhile, the establishment they objected to consisted of politicians and professionals who dressed and acted (for lack of another word) "normally."

Nowadays, we see so many of donnie's followers -- dedicated conservatives, at least in public -- dressing and acting similarly (and I don't really want to say this, but I've noticed it so many times): heavyset, dressed in worn jeans, shirts, and baseball caps, and the men sporting long beards and hair. And so many of them seem to have large pickups. Meanwhile, the politicians and professionals that they follow dress "normally."

I still can't quite put my finger on this, but I'm starting to find it interesting that there may be some kind of "cultural explanation" for something like this.

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Reply Is there a "visual connection" between trumpers today and hippies in the 60s/70s? (Original post)
grumpyduck Dec 2020 OP
BainsBane Dec 2020 #1
brush Dec 2020 #2
Lucinda Dec 2020 #3
sinkingfeeling Dec 2020 #4
Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #5
panader0 Dec 2020 #6
calguy Dec 2020 #7
msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #8
JI7 Dec 2020 #9
JonLP24 Dec 2020 #10
Zorro Dec 2020 #11
Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #17
Zorro Dec 2020 #21
brush Dec 2020 #27
rzemanfl Dec 2020 #12
lpbk2713 Dec 2020 #13
Mick Travis Dec 2020 #14
milestogo Dec 2020 #15
abqtommy Dec 2020 #16
highplainsdem Dec 2020 #18
Wicked Blue Dec 2020 #19
enough Dec 2020 #20
Progressive Jones Dec 2020 #22
Boomerproud Dec 2020 #26
Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #28
empedocles Dec 2020 #23
Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #29
Corgigal Dec 2020 #24
jalan48 Dec 2020 #25
ornotna Dec 2020 #30
mtnsnake Dec 2020 #31
LakeArenal Dec 2020 #32

Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:18 PM

1. no

Trumpsters have the white trash look.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:21 PM

2. Nah. Better do some real research. You're not even close with this theory.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:21 PM

3. Not that I see...not even a little bit.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:22 PM

4. Not at all.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:23 PM

5. Trumpers and Hippies?

I can't think of any two groups of people who could be farther apart.

I was in the Haight Ashbury in 1967, the summer of love. While some political movements grew out of that, the hard core hippies really weren't all that political. The summer of love was a huge block party that lasted about six or eight weeks. Saying much more about it would be over-thinking it.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:24 PM

6. No. I was a member of that counterculture. 180 degrees from magas.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:25 PM

7. As one of those hippies, I'm qualified to say.......

Absolutely not. Totally different set of values. We were into peace and live, these jerks preach hate and chaos.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:25 PM

8. Not even close. n/t

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:26 PM

9. huh ?

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:27 PM

10. Not sure what you mean

I don't wear suits and ties either. I don't wear the ugly red shirts and hats but I don't dress like a professional either.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:30 PM

11. Lots of MAGAts seem to be into military cosplay

That was never a hippie thing.

MAGATs like to think they're a Stallone or Schwartzenegger movie character.

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Response to Zorro (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:44 PM

17. You did see hippies wearing military clothing

but it's because they were cheap either at thrift stores or surplus stores. Durable, too.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:49 PM

21. Yep

but it wasn't a cosplay thing.

Many of today's MAGAts want to think they're Rambo.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 09:25 PM

27. Yep, navy bell bottom jeans from surplus stores were cheap compared...

to what you had to pay in retail stores.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:32 PM

12. There weren't incel hippies. n/t

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:38 PM

13. I can't agree.



A common mantra was "never trust anyone over thirty".

Trumpsters are mostly privileged and balding seniors.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:39 PM

14. No connection.

The MAGAS now are the guys who wore crewcuts and had "America-Love it or Leave It" bumper stickers. Long hair on rednecks started in the 80s. Many real hippies are still hippies. One difference is rednecks now smoke pot. In the old days they only drank beer. I was there.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:40 PM

15. No way.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:41 PM

16. I was there in the 60's and 70s and the broad classification of "hippies" were a diverse bunch.

There were those who bought the "peace and love" line and there were others who saw
that group as easy marks to exploit and defraud for financial gain and other considerations.
It's not unusual for any large group to settle out into predators and prey.

So there is that connection that I see between hippies and trumpers but that's only human
nature. Some people just always have to make sure that we can't have nice things.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:47 PM

18. Nope. As for the trumpers -- the clothing is redneck chic, the long beards are

Duck Dynasty copycat, and the large pickups are rural warrior-wannabe.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:47 PM

19. I am a retired hippie



and I can honestly say that I never met any hippie who would even dream of marching around in a hideous drooping yellow kilt, a Magat cap and and one of those dorky black polo shirts.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:49 PM

20. No man, hippies were skinny and into love and shit. NT

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:50 PM

22. In my personal experience, many from my age group were once

closer to hippies than the trump trash they've become.

I'm 61. I wasn't a 60's hippie, but part of the half-generation right behind them.
Many I've known since childhood/adolescence were once way better people than the trump trash
they've become.

All that being said, I have to generally disagree with the OP.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 09:00 PM

26. I'm 64 and you nailed it.

My cousin whom I was very close to growing up and into adulthood was a die-hard progressive who now lives in The Villages and is a full blown Maget. We used to call it selling out.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 09:34 PM

28. 61...That would put you in high school

during the Disco era. You have my deepest sympathy.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:52 PM

23. trumpers closer to 60's bikers . . . imao

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Response to empedocles (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 09:35 PM

29. Bikers are who ruined the whole Haight Ashbury party.

They brought methamphetamine onto the scene. Not to mention Altamont.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:52 PM

24. Na..

Trumpers don’t have legs like this.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 08:53 PM

25. It became fashionable in the 70's for jocks to have long hair. They weren't hippies however.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 09:47 PM

30. No

I don't recall seeing any hippies sporting Glocks and sniper rifles at any rallies.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 09:58 PM

31. Why, because of the hair? No fucking way. Hippies were some of the coolest looking people ever

Trumpsters are for the most part pretty disgusting looking and that's a fact. As if they don't already act and look like shit to begin with, they enhance their digustingness by growing some of the worst looking beards on the face of the earth, and that includes women trumpsters. That's why they and Trump are so attracted to each other. Looking disgusting is what bands all the trumpsters together.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 10:08 PM

32. Nope. We rode bikes and our cars fell apart.

We shared with each other and spent a lot of time being “toasted, nicely toasted” (acknowledgement to Cypress Hill).

Music was important. It was the background noise to our generation.

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