Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:14 PM
grumpyduck (5,358 posts)
Pence leaving town: is it remotely possible
that he plans to do it so he doesn't have to pardon donnie?
Sorry if this has been posted here before. If donnie is hanging on until votes are counted, and planning to quit and have Pence pardon him if he does lose, could Pence be vamoosing so he doesn't have to?
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grumpyduck | Dec 2020 | OP |
spooky3 | Dec 2020 | #1 | |
WhiteTara | Dec 2020 | #2 | |
Tommymac | Dec 2020 | #7 | |
SCantiGOP | Dec 2020 | #21 | |
keithbvadu2 | Dec 2020 | #3 | |
hedda_foil | Dec 2020 | #4 | |
grumpyduck | Dec 2020 | #8 | |
House of Roberts | Dec 2020 | #9 | |
Renew Deal | Dec 2020 | #11 | |
keithbvadu2 | Dec 2020 | #13 | |
csziggy | Dec 2020 | #25 | |
PTWB | Dec 2020 | #26 | |
exboyfil | Dec 2020 | #15 | |
lastlib | Dec 2020 | #18 | |
Thekaspervote | Dec 2020 | #17 | |
Fiendish Thingy | Dec 2020 | #19 | |
keithbvadu2 | Dec 2020 | #20 | |
BGBD | Dec 2020 | #5 | |
NoRoadUntravelled | Dec 2020 | #6 | |
Totally Tunsie | Dec 2020 | #16 | |
csziggy | Dec 2020 | #27 | |
Karma13612 | Dec 2020 | #10 | |
RockRaven | Dec 2020 | #14 | |
Karma13612 | Dec 2020 | #24 | |
NCjack | Dec 2020 | #12 | |
lagomorph777 | Dec 2020 | #22 | |
Buckeye_Democrat | Dec 2020 | #23 |
Response to grumpyduck (Original post)
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:16 PM
spooky3 (31,599 posts)
1. Doesn't Pence have to return to approve the EC vote? Nt
Response to spooky3 (Reply #1)
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:18 PM
WhiteTara (28,018 posts)
2. No. Grassley can fill in.
Response to spooky3 (Reply #1)
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:25 PM
Tommymac (7,263 posts)
7. No he does not. There is a Plan B
It's pretty much all ceremonial no anyway. Because Joe won so big and the election has been certified free and fair by the courts at least 60 times, there will be no confusion on Jan 6.
If Pence cannot or will not certify there are provisions for another official to do it. Can't remember the exact person - maybe I'll look it up later if I have time, or another poster can put that up. |
Response to spooky3 (Reply #1)
Thu Dec 24, 2020, 01:29 AM
SCantiGOP (13,133 posts)
21. Pence has saved up his vacation time
Response to grumpyduck (Original post)
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:19 PM
keithbvadu2 (31,021 posts)
3. Pence resigns. Donald appoints Ivanka as VP...
Pence resigns.
Donald appoints Ivanka as VP. Donald resigns. Ivanka pardons Donald. First woman Prez. |
Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #3)
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:20 PM
hedda_foil (16,123 posts)
4. But first Donnie has to pardon Ivanka.
Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #3)
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:32 PM
grumpyduck (5,358 posts)
8. Can't.
There is a clear chain of succession.
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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #3)
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:33 PM
House of Roberts (4,608 posts)
9. Ivanka wouldn't be approved by the House.
Pence is Trump's only hope.
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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #3)
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:38 PM
Renew Deal (80,802 posts)
11. The VP has to be approved by congress
And that's not happening with under a month to go.
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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #11)
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:49 PM
keithbvadu2 (31,021 posts)
13. Donald can call her the 'acting' VP.
Donald can call her the 'acting' VP.
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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #13)
Thu Dec 24, 2020, 06:03 PM
csziggy (33,812 posts)
25. That would not put her in the line of succession. nt
Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #13)
Thu Dec 24, 2020, 06:04 PM
PTWB (4,131 posts)
26. He could call her the queen of England but it wouldn't make it true.
Response to Renew Deal (Reply #11)
Thu Dec 24, 2020, 12:03 AM
exboyfil (17,602 posts)
15. The big question
Does he understand that?
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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #11)
Thu Dec 24, 2020, 12:48 AM
lastlib (20,328 posts)
18. especially with Nancy waiting in the wings.
Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #3)
Thu Dec 24, 2020, 12:44 AM
Thekaspervote (29,139 posts)
17. No..3rd in line is speaker of the house. He can't appoint a VP
Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #3)
Thu Dec 24, 2020, 01:06 AM
Fiendish Thingy (12,245 posts)
19. Doesn't work that way- congress must approve replacement VP. Nt
Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #19)
Thu Dec 24, 2020, 01:15 AM
keithbvadu2 (31,021 posts)
20. Good replies. I'm just speculating what Donald would like to try.
Good replies. I'm just speculating what Donald would like to try.
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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:20 PM
BGBD (3,282 posts)
5. It's probably
so that he's not in the country as Trump loses his shit over not winning the election.
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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:22 PM
NoRoadUntravelled (2,626 posts)
6. Apparently Pence is planning on leaving after the Jan 6 Senate vote to accept the electoral college
vote. He will not be in the country. I would be surprised if he returns before Jan 20. That way he won't be available to pardon the occupant.
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Response to NoRoadUntravelled (Reply #6)
Thu Dec 24, 2020, 12:10 AM
Totally Tunsie (10,885 posts)
16. He better be back by Noon on Jan. 20...
he runs out of term at the stroke of twelve. AF2 better be on the ground!
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Response to Totally Tunsie (Reply #16)
Thu Dec 24, 2020, 06:05 PM
csziggy (33,812 posts)
27. AF2 can return without him
I sort of love the image of Pence trying to hitch a ride back to the US. I wonder how much available credit he has on his credit cards?
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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:35 PM
Karma13612 (4,302 posts)
10. Does he have to be physically present to pardon Trump?
I can deposit checks via my phone now.
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Response to Karma13612 (Reply #10)
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:52 PM
RockRaven (12,420 posts)
14. "Chrrrrchxchrrrchxz. I can't hear you. You're breaking up. No signal! Chchchrrrrrxzxxzchrr!!!"
*click*
"How was that, Mother? Do you think he believed me?" "Do not answer that phone again for the remainder of the trip, Michael." "Yes, Mother." |
Response to RockRaven (Reply #14)
Thu Dec 24, 2020, 06:01 PM
Karma13612 (4,302 posts)
24. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. 👍👍👍 eom
Response to grumpyduck (Original post)
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:46 PM
NCjack (10,125 posts)
12. Is Pence defecting? Maybe to Cuba?
Response to NCjack (Reply #12)
Thu Dec 24, 2020, 01:44 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
22. Defecting? Maybe. Defective? Definitely!
Response to grumpyduck (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2020, 04:10 AM
Buckeye_Democrat (14,599 posts)
23. As Indiana comedian Brent Terhune would say...
... "I don't thank so!"
I instead think this MIGHT explain Pence leaving. Usually, if the 25th Amendment was used to remove Trump from office, the permanent effect would require a 2/3 majority in both the House and the Senate to approve it. However, the 25th also allows the Vice President to replace the President temporarily for 25 days if only over 1/2 of either the House or Senate votes on it! That means the Democratic-controlled House could invoke the 25th on Trump on Dec. 27th, and Trump would no long be President because the inauguration of Biden and Harris would then happen before 25 days had expired! Article about it: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/if-trump-uses-martial-law-pence-should-use-25th-amendment.html ----- The mechanics of the amendment allow the vice-president to remain in the position of acting president for a minimum of 25 days, as long as a simple majority of at least one chamber of Congress is willing to cooperate. It may seem extremely unlikely that Mike Pence, who up to this point has been one of Trump’s most craven enablers, would even consider taking advantage of this constitutional power. But it’s always possible that, between now and January 20 when Trump’s term expires, the situation may become so extreme that he and eight other Cabinet members may find the modicum of personal courage and moral decency necessary to do the right thing. Trump would put up a fight, but it wouldn’t matter this late in his presidency. Once Pence has transmitted the letter to Congress that makes him acting president, Trump may contest the vice-president’s actions via a letter of his own. Section Four, however, would give Pence four days to respond to this letter. After Pence did so, the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives could — by simple majority vote — decline to act on the substantive dispute for the remaining 21 days. (Meanwhile, Democrats could filibuster any action in the Senate.) Were it not the end of his term, Trump would return to office after 21 days if Congress failed to act. This, in effect, means that Pence could become acting president on Sunday, December 27, and would remain in the position for the rest of the current administration’s term in office, as long as House Democrats acceded to the new status quo. For the good of the nation, he should do so this weekend. ----- My guess is that Pence won't even be available to follow through with such a scheme, given that he's a spineless Trump sycophant. |