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Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:14 PM

Pence leaving town: is it remotely possible

that he plans to do it so he doesn't have to pardon donnie?

Sorry if this has been posted here before.

If donnie is hanging on until votes are counted, and planning to quit and have Pence pardon him if he does lose, could Pence be vamoosing so he doesn't have to?

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Reply Pence leaving town: is it remotely possible (Original post)
grumpyduck Dec 2020 OP
spooky3 Dec 2020 #1
WhiteTara Dec 2020 #2
Tommymac Dec 2020 #7
SCantiGOP Dec 2020 #21
keithbvadu2 Dec 2020 #3
hedda_foil Dec 2020 #4
grumpyduck Dec 2020 #8
House of Roberts Dec 2020 #9
Renew Deal Dec 2020 #11
keithbvadu2 Dec 2020 #13
csziggy Dec 2020 #25
PTWB Dec 2020 #26
exboyfil Dec 2020 #15
lastlib Dec 2020 #18
Thekaspervote Dec 2020 #17
Fiendish Thingy Dec 2020 #19
keithbvadu2 Dec 2020 #20
BGBD Dec 2020 #5
NoRoadUntravelled Dec 2020 #6
Totally Tunsie Dec 2020 #16
csziggy Dec 2020 #27
Karma13612 Dec 2020 #10
RockRaven Dec 2020 #14
Karma13612 Dec 2020 #24
NCjack Dec 2020 #12
lagomorph777 Dec 2020 #22
Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2020 #23

Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:16 PM

1. Doesn't Pence have to return to approve the EC vote? Nt

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:18 PM

2. No. Grassley can fill in.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:25 PM

7. No he does not. There is a Plan B

It's pretty much all ceremonial no anyway. Because Joe won so big and the election has been certified free and fair by the courts at least 60 times, there will be no confusion on Jan 6.

If Pence cannot or will not certify there are provisions for another official to do it. Can't remember the exact person - maybe I'll look it up later if I have time, or another poster can put that up.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 12:29 AM

21. Pence has saved up his vacation time

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:19 PM

3. Pence resigns. Donald appoints Ivanka as VP...

Pence resigns.

Donald appoints Ivanka as VP.

Donald resigns.

Ivanka pardons Donald.

First woman Prez.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:20 PM

4. But first Donnie has to pardon Ivanka.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:32 PM

8. Can't.

There is a clear chain of succession.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:33 PM

9. Ivanka wouldn't be approved by the House.

Pence is Trump's only hope.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:38 PM

11. The VP has to be approved by congress

And that's not happening with under a month to go.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:49 PM

13. Donald can call her the 'acting' VP.

Donald can call her the 'acting' VP.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 05:03 PM

25. That would not put her in the line of succession. nt

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 05:04 PM

26. He could call her the queen of England but it wouldn't make it true.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:03 PM

15. The big question

Does he understand that?

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:48 PM

18. especially with Nancy waiting in the wings.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:44 PM

17. No..3rd in line is speaker of the house. He can't appoint a VP

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 12:06 AM

19. Doesn't work that way- congress must approve replacement VP. Nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 12:15 AM

20. Good replies. I'm just speculating what Donald would like to try.

Good replies. I'm just speculating what Donald would like to try.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:20 PM

5. It's probably

so that he's not in the country as Trump loses his shit over not winning the election.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:22 PM

6. Apparently Pence is planning on leaving after the Jan 6 Senate vote to accept the electoral college

vote. He will not be in the country. I would be surprised if he returns before Jan 20. That way he won't be available to pardon the occupant.

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Response to NoRoadUntravelled (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:10 PM

16. He better be back by Noon on Jan. 20...

he runs out of term at the stroke of twelve. AF2 better be on the ground!

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Response to Totally Tunsie (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 05:05 PM

27. AF2 can return without him

I sort of love the image of Pence trying to hitch a ride back to the US. I wonder how much available credit he has on his credit cards?

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:35 PM

10. Does he have to be physically present to pardon Trump?

I can deposit checks via my phone now.

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Response to Karma13612 (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:52 PM

14. "Chrrrrchxchrrrchxz. I can't hear you. You're breaking up. No signal! Chchchrrrrrxzxxzchrr!!!"

*click*
"How was that, Mother? Do you think he believed me?"
"Do not answer that phone again for the remainder of the trip, Michael."
"Yes, Mother."

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 05:01 PM

24. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. 👍👍👍 eom

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:46 PM

12. Is Pence defecting? Maybe to Cuba?

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Response to NCjack (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 12:44 AM

22. Defecting? Maybe. Defective? Definitely!

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 03:10 AM

23. As Indiana comedian Brent Terhune would say...

... "I don't thank so!"

I instead think this MIGHT explain Pence leaving.

Usually, if the 25th Amendment was used to remove Trump from office, the permanent effect would require a 2/3 majority in both the House and the Senate to approve it.

However, the 25th also allows the Vice President to replace the President temporarily for 25 days if only over 1/2 of either the House or Senate votes on it!

That means the Democratic-controlled House could invoke the 25th on Trump on Dec. 27th, and Trump would no long be President because the inauguration of Biden and Harris would then happen before 25 days had expired!

Article about it:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/if-trump-uses-martial-law-pence-should-use-25th-amendment.html
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The mechanics of the amendment allow the vice-president to remain in the position of acting president for a minimum of 25 days, as long as a simple majority of at least one chamber of Congress is willing to cooperate.

It may seem extremely unlikely that Mike Pence, who up to this point has been one of Trumpís most craven enablers, would even consider taking advantage of this constitutional power. But itís always possible that, between now and January 20 when Trumpís term expires, the situation may become so extreme that he and eight other Cabinet members may find the modicum of personal courage and moral decency necessary to do the right thing.

Trump would put up a fight, but it wouldnít matter this late in his presidency. Once Pence has transmitted the letter to Congress that makes him acting president, Trump may contest the vice-presidentís actions via a letter of his own. Section Four, however, would give Pence four days to respond to this letter. After Pence did so, the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives could ó by simple majority vote ó decline to act on the substantive dispute for the remaining 21 days. (Meanwhile, Democrats could filibuster any action in the Senate.) Were it not the end of his term, Trump would return to office after 21 days if Congress failed to act.

This, in effect, means that Pence could become acting president on Sunday, December 27, and would remain in the position for the rest of the current administrationís term in office, as long as House Democrats acceded to the new status quo. For the good of the nation, he should do so this weekend.
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My guess is that Pence won't even be available to follow through with such a scheme, given that he's a spineless Trump sycophant.

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