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RandySF

(68,439 posts)
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 05:16 PM Dec 2020

A Middle Finger Cost Me My Livelihood as a Woman Athlete

It took a split second for my whole world to come crashing down.

My teammates on the University of Connecticut’s women’s soccer team were jumping and screaming and hugging each other. We had just won a championship game. It was one of the happiest moments of my life — my first championship win at the collegiate level. Without thinking, I flashed a middle finger in celebration as I embraced teammates on camera. I couldn't have known that split-second, mindless gesture of celebration would cause UConn to suspend me from the NCAA tournament, revoke my scholarship, and completely upend my life as I knew it. All for a stupid mistake.

Right away, UConn issued a press release calling the middle finger “unsportsmanlike” behavior. I cried the whole way home through the airport, and apologized to my team. Luckily, my teammates were so supportive. But UConn was not finished punishing me.

At that point, I knew I was suspended, but I didn’t really grasp what that meant until I tried to join my teammates in watching the NCAA selection show, which is always a big deal every year. I was essentially barred from seeing my team on campus. I wasn’t allowed to go to any team functions or even enter the locker room. I wasn’t allowed to wear any gear or to identify myself as a UConn athlete, either. And then over winter break, I learned that I had lost my full-ride scholarship. Without it, I could no longer afford to attend UConn. I had to transfer to another school with a partial athletic scholarship mid-year. That’s when I decided to take legal action against UConn. This was about more than a tournament, and even more than a lost scholarship. This was about discrimination on the basis of sex. UConn’s harsh punishment left me feeling ostracized. They attacked my whole identity as a career athlete. And I don’t think the same thing would have happened if I were a male athlete.




https://www.aclu.org/news/womens-rights/a-middle-finger-cost-me-my-livelihood-as-a-woman-athlete/?initms_aff=nat&initms_chan=soc&utm_medium=soc&initms=201219_blog_tw&utm_source=tw&utm_campaign=&utm_content=201219_womensrights_blog&ms_aff=nat&ms_chan=soc&ms=201219_blog_tw

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A Middle Finger Cost Me My Livelihood as a Woman Athlete (Original Post) RandySF Dec 2020 OP
watched the video Skittles Dec 2020 #1
Totally blackballed. lpbk2713 Dec 2020 #2
I Never Heard About This ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #3
I never heard about this. efhmc Dec 2020 #4
I went to the link ellie Dec 2020 #6
It would be the Tweet of the Day. TheRickles Dec 2020 #7
Who flips off a camera "in celebration?" luv2fly Dec 2020 #5
Who cares? Yeehah Dec 2020 #9
I certainly am not going to lose sleep over this. Kaleva Dec 2020 #16
I had the same question. Is not "flipping the bird"... 3catwoman3 Dec 2020 #10
She didn't say she flipped off the camera lunatica Dec 2020 #13
Watch the video. Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #18
But what is the behavior? LisaL Dec 2020 #24
She was deliberately flipping the finger at someone - Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #30
Agree. cwydro Dec 2020 #37
If you are an underdog I totally see flipping off the naysayers... Tommymac Dec 2020 #17
More common with some musicians, Johny Cash even did it once, but it's not unheard of. Zipgun Dec 2020 #29
Where is common sense? The punishment ought to fit the crime. PatrickforO Dec 2020 #8
Yep. LisaL Dec 2020 #11
"And I don't think the same thing would have happened if I were a male athlete. " Sez it all ... marble falls Dec 2020 #12
Number Of People Hurt: Zero ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #15
No harm, no foul. Of more import: Was there ever a time the refs called traveling in the NBA? marble falls Dec 2020 #20
That's Where I Was Going ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #25
I saw a male World Cup player sent home for flipping off fans, but that's a different issue. RandySF Dec 2020 #21
I keep thinking of brock turner. niyad Dec 2020 #22
There Were Going To Expel Him ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Gilbert Moore Dec 2020 #14
It was a split second and she turned the bird sign into a peace sign. What an overreaction. Fingers iluvtennis Dec 2020 #19
How many times have we seen a male athlete crab his crotch and pull up on it as a taunt? crimycarny Dec 2020 #23
Yeah, the scale of the response is the issue for me. BrightKnight Dec 2020 #36
"A Middle Finger Cost Me My Livelihood as a Woman Athlete" is a bit over dramatic Snake Plissken Dec 2020 #27
I'd guess the coaching staff was disappointed with her before this incident Klaralven Dec 2020 #31
Rationalizing completely unfair actions by the university Yeehah Dec 2020 #32
well..... getagrip_already Dec 2020 #28
It was a sexist reaction. Turin_C3PO Dec 2020 #33
I agree i was an over reaction... getagrip_already Dec 2020 #34
When did flipping the bird become a celebratory gesture? MineralMan Dec 2020 #35

ProfessorGAC

(69,124 posts)
3. I Never Heard About This
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 05:43 PM
Dec 2020

The school lost its collective minds on this decision.
Over a middle finger, she lost a scholarship?
Geez, at Baylor the administration covered up sexual assault to protect some athletes! (Male)
I think she has a solid point, here.

luv2fly

(2,476 posts)
5. Who flips off a camera "in celebration?"
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 05:52 PM
Dec 2020

Total overreaction on the university's part but who gives a camera the middle finger to celebrate?

Kaleva

(37,798 posts)
16. I certainly am not going to lose sleep over this.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 06:21 PM
Dec 2020

If things work out for her, that'd be fine. If not, that'd be fine too.

3catwoman3

(25,211 posts)
10. I had the same question. Is not "flipping the bird"...
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 06:14 PM
Dec 2020

..pretty universally regarded as a gesture of disdain/disrespect?

ITA that the university’s response was over-the-top.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
13. She didn't say she flipped off the camera
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 06:17 PM
Dec 2020

She said she did it in a moment of jubilant celebration.

Ms. Toad

(35,265 posts)
18. Watch the video.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 06:38 PM
Dec 2020

1:08 - 1:15.

What she says does not match the video.

I think it was an overreaction by the school - BUT - she is rationalizing her behavior.

LisaL

(46,161 posts)
24. But what is the behavior?
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 07:53 PM
Dec 2020

She held up one finger for a split second, then realized a camera was on her and made it into a peace sign. Sure doesn't look like she was trying to flip off the camera.
Anyhow, it's ridiculous to take away her scholarship for a hand gesture that lasted a second.

Ms. Toad

(35,265 posts)
30. She was deliberately flipping the finger at someone -
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 09:04 PM
Dec 2020

Watch her actions, watch her face. Whether she knew the person she was flipping off had a camera isn't clear. But it is disingenuous to suggest her behavior was not directed at the person holding the camera.

I agree - it was ridiculous to take away her scholarship. But I have no tolerance for gaslighting at this point.

Tommymac

(7,306 posts)
17. If you are an underdog I totally see flipping off the naysayers...
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 06:27 PM
Dec 2020

and doubters in a moment of unreasoned and unrestrained celebration.

Our 'President' flips off everyone everyday on social media...and not in celebration.

Something is seriously wrong here - I'd say misogynistic even.

Zipgun

(209 posts)
29. More common with some musicians, Johny Cash even did it once, but it's not unheard of.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 08:26 PM
Dec 2020

Jay Bruce gave his own dugout the middle finger after breaking a slump. Larry Csonka, Blake Griffin John Buck all gave the bird in a not serious way. Like I said, it's pretty common among musicians to flip cameras and each other off, among psychobilly musicians it's downright common. It seems to be the kind of "locker room" behavior that would be more tolerated by male athletes.

PatrickforO

(15,022 posts)
8. Where is common sense? The punishment ought to fit the crime.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 06:05 PM
Dec 2020

Somebody in authority at UConn has a serious rectal-cranial insertion problem.

LisaL

(46,161 posts)
11. Yep.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 06:15 PM
Dec 2020

Surely there was a less severe punishment they could have come up with that didn't involve taking away her scholarship.

marble falls

(60,882 posts)
12. "And I don't think the same thing would have happened if I were a male athlete. " Sez it all ...
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 06:16 PM
Dec 2020

... this was a nothing sort of violation as compared to what male athletes, especially in football "programs" get away with weekly.

ProfessorGAC

(69,124 posts)
15. Number Of People Hurt: Zero
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 06:19 PM
Dec 2020

Ask the woman at Baylor & Michigan how many people were hurt.
The answer is not zero. More like triple digits.
And the athletic departments, and/or the college administration, helped with the cover up.

marble falls

(60,882 posts)
20. No harm, no foul. Of more import: Was there ever a time the refs called traveling in the NBA?
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 07:27 PM
Dec 2020

edit: I hadn't read the full post before I replied.

What men get away with actually is a lot of the time criminal.

ProfessorGAC

(69,124 posts)
25. That's Where I Was Going
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 07:54 PM
Dec 2020

Men, athletes & people in positions of power got away with it, for the most part, at those 2 schools.
No rescinded scholarships, no suspensions, no public humiliation, despite their transgressions being many orders of magnitude more severe.
As to your add on question:
The traveling rule is badly understood by most fans. There's far less violating of that rule than the casual fan thinks.
Since the 1960s, the NBA wouldn't call a half step extra if it didn't create an advantage.
In the 70s, neither did colleges or HS. I know that for sure, because I played in the 70s.
So, yes they called it in the NBA, and they still do, if it is used to create an advantage over the defender.
I watch basketball with a very analytical eye!

RandySF

(68,439 posts)
21. I saw a male World Cup player sent home for flipping off fans, but that's a different issue.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 07:34 PM
Dec 2020

They're grown, highly paid adults and it didn't ruin his career.

ProfessorGAC

(69,124 posts)
26. There Were Going To Expel Him
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 08:00 PM
Dec 2020

But, he left the school.
That fiend spent only 3 months in the slammer, and had his probation reduced by 10 or 12 months.
Given his offense, he got off easy, too.
Should have been 6-10 years.

Response to RandySF (Original post)

iluvtennis

(20,608 posts)
19. It was a split second and she turned the bird sign into a peace sign. What an overreaction. Fingers
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 07:18 PM
Dec 2020

crossed she wins the lawsuit. This is absurb.

crimycarny

(1,545 posts)
23. How many times have we seen a male athlete crab his crotch and pull up on it as a taunt?
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 07:45 PM
Dec 2020

In fact, a quick google found this video of Oklahoma quarterback (Baker Mayfield) who grabbed his crotch and dropped f-bombs. He only had to apologize.



What happened to Mayfield? According to Wikipedia:

“Sooners head coach Lincoln Riley announced that Mayfield would not start or be the captain during the upcoming game against West Virginia due to his actions against Kansas.”

Double-standard? Oh h*ll yeah.

BrightKnight

(3,675 posts)
36. Yeah, the scale of the response is the issue for me.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 03:46 PM
Dec 2020

I suspect the the response for most athletes would be more like what happened to Mayfield. She probably has a point that they held her to a higher standard because she was a woman.


With just the hands I am tempted to say it was a dexterity issue but with the facial expression it was not.


It is an important life lesson that a single little wrong choice at the wrong time can have a huge impact on your life.

Also, most young college students make some bad decisions.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
27. "A Middle Finger Cost Me My Livelihood as a Woman Athlete" is a bit over dramatic
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 08:01 PM
Dec 2020

This did not end her livelihood as a woman athlete, it didn't even end her collegiate career as a women athlete or as an athletic on scholarship.

She played in nine games for UConn and scored no goals before being kicked off the team

The cold hard truth is ... if she was a player that UConn needed on their roster to win games they would have found an infinite number of excuses to keep her on the team. This happens all the time in male athletics, players are not essential to winning are expendable, and players who are essential to winner are protected.

Legal filings in the case show that the UConn athletic department helped Radwan transfer to another school and that she had been admitted to Hofstra University with a soccer scholarship at the start of the spring semester in 2015.

Which is far more than they had to do.

She then sued UConn for monetary damages and of course the suit was thrown out.

She was given a full athletic scholarship and failed to represent the university in the manner she agreed to when she accepted the scholarship.

Do they make exceptions and look the other way for other athletes, of course they do, it's a business where winning is everything.

Athletic scholarships are granted on a year to year basis and are often not renewed for various reasons, and rarely do universities go out of their way to help them land scholarships at other universities, she is just looking to cash in on this situation.

I don't see anyone here crying for all of the students who actually have to pay out of their own pocket to get an education, or for students who do not even get accepted to a university to make room for athletes who are less academically qualified, or for the student athletes who don't get a scholarship but walkon and pay their own way.

I'm not buying this "If she was a male, she wouldn't have to be accountable for her actions" argument.

If she was good enough to make a professional team, she would have been able to make it her livelihood, but she didn't, it's that simple.

There are more than 460,000 NCAA student-athletes, and almost all of them will go pro in something other than sports.





getagrip_already

(17,007 posts)
28. well.....
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 08:06 PM
Dec 2020

I get youthful expression of enthusiasm. The punishment exceeded the offense. Not questioned.

But people need to realize that fingers, whether raised in the one finger salute or the the froggie symbol of revulsion, mean specific things. They aren't innocent, and they don't mean nothing. You meant to offend, and you did.

If you want to make a political statement - go for it. I'm behind you and at times in front - but expect consequences and don't whine. I don't care if you burn a flag or a bra. It's protected speech.

Sorry. Action and reaction is one of those physics lessons with multiple applications.

Turin_C3PO

(15,289 posts)
33. It was a sexist reaction.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 10:57 AM
Dec 2020

If she were male nothing would have happened to her. Her maximum punishment should have been a short suspension.

getagrip_already

(17,007 posts)
34. I agree i was an over reaction...
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 12:04 PM
Dec 2020

It's not clear whether it was a sexist response. I'm NOT saying it isn't. But it's just as likely the schools patience is wearing thin with negative publicity over self inflicted errors. For all we know this was just the first infraction after a policy change.

Action. Reaction. Think before intentionally offending.

MineralMan

(147,213 posts)
35. When did flipping the bird become a celebratory gesture?
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 12:42 PM
Dec 2020

Now, I don't think she should have been punished for it, but doing stupid things in public often has repercussions.

To whom was she giving the finger? The losing team? Well, that's not nice. To the fans at the game? Not nice, either.

I guess I don't get why she made that gesture in the first place, really.

Play stupid games; win stupid prizes...

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