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Wed Dec 16, 2020, 10:53 PM

I'm firmly convinced that the orange asshole is a psychopath

And as such, heís at his end game. He has nothing left to try and ďoverturnĒ the election.

He is now at his most dangerous.

Let that sink in

In other words, we ainít seen nothin yet

I said 3 years ago it would take a swat team to get him to leave. We may need more than that now: the fire Dept.

Well now we have him saying he wonít leave the WH.

Having read extensively over the years about psychopaths and anti-social behavior, Iím going to go on record that he will attempt to do something truly extreme to prevent himself from leaving the WH.

And what that is exactly is: he will attempt to burn down the WH or something along those lines.

Heís mentally painted into corner and feels he has no other alternative than to quite literally burn it all down.

Just remember this: you can not rationalize with a psychopath. They arenít capable of thinking like normal people. Their one and only mission in life is to protect themselves at all costs and that even means burning everything down and then dying in the flames. Because they will have convinced themselves, at that point, that they ďwonĒ because they werenít caught.

We are entering the final stretch before he gets
kicked out of the WH and itís going to get really fucking weird

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Reply I'm firmly convinced that the orange asshole is a psychopath (Original post)
Javaman Dec 2020 OP
kskiska Dec 2020 #1
pdxflyboy Dec 2020 #2
dutch777 Dec 2020 #23
DENVERPOPS Dec 2020 #34
Phoenix61 Dec 2020 #3
Javaman Dec 2020 #5
The Roux Comes First Dec 2020 #15
denbot Dec 2020 #25
miyazaki Dec 2020 #24
sfstaxprep Dec 2020 #4
Arne Dec 2020 #11
brush Dec 2020 #21
Initech Dec 2020 #6
dixiechiken1 Dec 2020 #7
Irish_Dem Dec 2020 #8
PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #9
Javaman Dec 2020 #14
PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #27
My Pet Orangutan Dec 2020 #40
Cha Dec 2020 #10
denbot Dec 2020 #12
Javaman Dec 2020 #16
bdamomma Dec 2020 #13
Javaman Dec 2020 #17
PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #28
soldierant Dec 2020 #39
bdamomma Dec 2020 #43
Hoyt Dec 2020 #18
Javaman Dec 2020 #19
Hoyt Dec 2020 #20
LuvLoogie Dec 2020 #22
CentralMass Dec 2020 #26
Solly Mack Dec 2020 #29
Warpy Dec 2020 #31
Solly Mack Dec 2020 #36
jalan48 Dec 2020 #30
JohnnyRingo Dec 2020 #32
Tiger8 Dec 2020 #33
Demobrat Dec 2020 #35
Silver Gaia Dec 2020 #38
Tiger8 Dec 2020 #45
Tiger8 Dec 2020 #44
My Pet Orangutan Dec 2020 #37
summer_in_TX Dec 2020 #41
herding cats Dec 2020 #42

Response to Javaman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 10:55 PM

1. Little kids will be reading about this in their history books

like Washington and the cherry tree.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 10:56 PM

2. The Nuclear Football.

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Response to pdxflyboy (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:30 PM

23. Yeah, this is what worries me in the next 35 days

I spent time in the military and in military intelligence. (Yes, I know, oxymoron). I could tell you all the bad ways an evil President, enabled by just a few like type whackos in the military, could create Havoc on a scale most people could not even imagine in their worst nightmare. But instead, let me tell you about my core belief and understanding of the great folks I encountered in and working with the military, at all ranks and stations. They are not stupid. They are not robots. They will not just follow ANY order. Even from the CINC. At their core, they hold the safety and peace of the American people most dear. They would give THEIR lives for it. At this point, a desperate Trump, ordering a nuclear strike on anybody that hasn't launched nukes on us, verified three ways from Sunday, the order will be ignored. Even a strike on Iran, again unless they are so stupid as to be highly provocative in these few weeks, will similarly be highly questioned and likely ignored. These last few weeks are incredibly awkward and uncertain with Trump still technically at the helm, but I have faith in the system. At some point, in this complex a world, we have to trust others to do the right thing. Better times are coming...a vaccine! Biden! Spring! Parties not by Zoom and no masks!

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Response to pdxflyboy (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 01:23 AM

34. Some of us, for a couple of years

have been discussing what a Narcissistic Psychopath and serious sadist does when he is finally cornered and in a corner........

The Classic "I'll show you"..........

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 10:58 PM

3. There's no such diagnosis. It's called Anti-Social

Personality Disorder and I believe his niece who is a psychologist. She says he has Narcissistic Personality Disorder and she has certainly had more contact with him than any of us.

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:04 PM

5. I still call him a psychopath because I'm not a doctor

Read this if you have any doubts about what the orange asshole is very capable of doing

The dark triad

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad

In psychology, the dark triad comprises the personality traits of narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy.[1][2][3][4] They are called "dark" because of their malevolent qualities.[5][1][6][7]


The Dark Triad, three antisocial personality traits: narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy
Research on the dark triad is used in applied psychology, especially within the fields of law enforcement, clinical psychology, and business management. People scoring high on these traits are more likely to commit crimes, cause social distress and create severe problems for an organization, especially if they are in leadership positions (for more information, see psychopathy, narcissism, and Machiavellianism in the workplace). They also tend to be less compassionate, agreeable, empathetic, satisfied with their lives, and less likely to believe they and others are good.[8]

All three dark triad traits are conceptually distinct although empirical evidence shows them to be overlapping. They are associated with a callous-manipulative interpersonal style.[9]

Narcissism is characterized by grandiosity, pride, egotism, and a lack of empathy.[10]
Machiavellianism is characterized by manipulation and exploitation of others, an absence of morality, unemotional callousness, and a higher level of self interest.[11]
Psychopathy is characterized by continuous antisocial behavior, impulsivity, selfishness, callous and unemotional traits (CU),[12] and remorselessness.[13]
A factor analysis found that among the big five personality traits, low agreeableness is the strongest correlate of the dark triad, while neuroticism and a lack of conscientiousness were associated with some of the dark triad members.[11] Agreeableness and the dark triad show correlated change over development.[14]

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Response to Javaman (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:20 PM

15. Me Neither

But how did you get permission to reprint the yam's curriculum vitae? I thought all this stuff was under wraps.

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Response to The Roux Comes First (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:31 PM

25. Dail 911, no wait, order a seal team strike!

Damn intellectual property thieves!

Fuck, why focus on the treason, am I right!?

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:31 PM

24. She's referred to him as a sociopath.

Though he could be a born pyschopath.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 10:59 PM

4. No, It's All Bluster

He's just throwing shit out there.

I've never felt like this was a possibility. He may threaten it up until the end....or not. But he's not going to allow himself to be embarrassed by having to be forcibly removed.

He'll Huff and he'll Puff, and yell FRAUD, FRAUD, FRAUD, but he'll leave the White House under his own power.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:13 PM

11. All Bluster

Is that the new Burger King meal?

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Response to sfstaxprep (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:27 PM

21. He's still crazy though. The fact that he's still saying he won...

despite all evidence to the contrary, and even if some think/say it's to keep grifting supporters for donations, all that's still effin' crazy.

If you lose, and he lost spectacularly badly, the normal thing to do is accept it, concede gracefully, even non-gracefully, help with the transition, and step the fuck aside.

He's insane. We saw it for weeks in the televised virus task force appearances, and the countless, unmasked rallies. And no mention of sympathy ever of the tens of thousands dead, even to this day.

Of course he's crazy.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:04 PM

6. I've been saying that since the day he was inaugurated.

I knew that things were going to get weird, I've been following the actions of the Fox cult for years. But I had no idea what we were in for until the election. It's not over until January 20th. And I am really scared what Trump and his goons are capable of until then.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:05 PM

7. I agree that he's a psychopath...

And yes, potentially very dangerous. However, he's also a pussy. (My apologies to kitty cats and vaginas everywhere.) He can't even fire someone like a man - he either has someone else do his dirty work or he tweets it.

I believe you are correct that his instinct is to burn it all down but I think it's more metaphorical. He won't do anything that would put himself in harm's way. He won't hesitate to put any and every other person there, though. Start a war on his way out the door? If he could, yes. Destroy the Republican party for not showing proper fealty? In a heartbeat.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:05 PM

8. When cornered they can be quite dangerous.

But he is a coward, so who knows.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:11 PM

9. "you can not rationalize with a psychopath." - Sorry but that just isn't true.

Psychopaths lack empathy and remorse not rationality.

He's going to leave the Whitehouse on his own because he will be convinced it is in his own best interest to do so.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:19 PM

14. Have you read up on the disorder?

What you consider being them being rational, is nothing more than the psychopath shining you on. They give less than zero fucks if they donít get what they want from someone.

They will tell you that you are completely right just to convince you that they are on the same page as you. Then promptly do something completely different because to them, your view is not their view. And they are always right.

You can not think of a psychopath as someone that thinks like normal people. Itís very primal in many ways and everything they do feeds the super ego.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:48 PM

27. Being "rational" has noting to do with giving "zero fucks if they don't get what they want".

A high percentage of successful CEOs and politicians are psychopathic. They are successful because they are ruthlessly (lacking any empathy or remorse) rational. What you've described is someone that lies freely to get what they want -again that is due to their lack of empathy and remorse. They rationally conclude they can get what they want from you if they lie to you and lacking empathy and remorse they won't feel bad about doing so.

Also you are ignoring you own argument - if you believe Trump is a psychopath and you believe that "they give less than zero fucks if they donít get what they want from someone" how can you claim he's "painted himself into a corner"? He wouldn't care what anyone thinks.

Anyway - Trump is leaving, on his own, from an unburnt Whitehouse and will be spending the subsequent time complaining how he was cheated in a stolen election.





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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 01:57 AM

40. Yes. A highly functioning psychopath is not psychotic,

not consistently detached from reality. They may have strong delusions of grandeur, but comprehend the world at least enough to survive in it - and over time make adjustments to compensating for their blind spots.

Trump is highly transactional - that's it - what $$$ is it for me, sooner rather than later. He is looking for a months, a year's angles after leaving. That does not involve burning down the White House or starting a war. Bad for the hotels and golf club business.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:13 PM

10. he is.. he's proven it over

and over again. I need No convincing.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:16 PM

12. I'll just leave this here..

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Response to denbot (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:21 PM

16. Yup dead in nt

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:19 PM

13. I work in the mental health facility

He is a threat to himself and others, many others he has killed 300,000 +, he needs to be taken away.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:23 PM

17. Exactly

Their needs to be a security detail specifically to protect the WH and anyone near him from being harmed by him.

And that detail needs to be put in the WH the last week before heís kicked out

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:52 PM

28. Extreme narcissists shouldn't be put in charge of anything critically important. n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #28)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 01:56 AM

39. And WE knew that in 2016. But look how many people didn't.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #28)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 10:11 AM

43. I just

posted a video (in that forum) from Dr. Bandy Lee, Psychologist about this very thing.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:23 PM

18. We've survived this far.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:24 PM

19. True but we are at the end game now

Think hitler in his bunker.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:26 PM

20. Hitler in the bunker took himself out. trump is through.

I hope.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:30 PM

22. He probably can't get a permit to do anymore rallies.

I just don't see any municipalities providing the security for another political rally that he initiates. The rally for the special election in Georgia was probably the last.

I don't think he'll blow any of that $200 million on rallies. He's gonna bunker down in Mar a Go-go and fail to show up for any NY depositions.

Florida will not arrest and extradite him to NY.

They'll have to come at him with new Fed charges. Resign and pardon by Pence buys him time. He'll do that before burning it down.

The only other alternative is a military coup, when he tries to burn it down. Pence won't agree to Article 25

We are in a holding pattern until the Georgia results. If the GOP holds, Pence might invoke 25. Because trump for sure won't leave.

If GOP does not hold the Senate, then it's either resign and pardon or a military coup when he tries to invoke martial law

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:48 PM

26. I find it very hard to convince myself that this won't happen.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 12:04 AM

29. I tend to agree that his is a case of being a Malignant Narcissist.

Which would involve behavior people view in terms of being a psychopath/sociopath. ASPD - Being sadistic, wanting to dominate and control. Cruelty. A warped conscience, as well as a complete lack of empathy for the feelings/well being of others.

A more aggressive personality disorder than simply having a more annoying than dangerous narcissistic personality.

I don't know - know, of course. Only speculating.

But from observing Trump's behavior and words, and from what I've read - Malignant Narcissist is what best describes him to me.

Which, like I said, does include behavior that would get them labeled a psychopath/sociopath.

But, like I said also, I don't know with any certainty.

Just what I tend to agree with...


I do think Trump is at his most volatile right now. I also think he does have a sense of self-preservation, so...

Which isn't to say he won't cause further harm to survive in a way that allows him to shape the narrative of his actions in a way that causes him to feel better. Reality, actual reality, isn't necessary for him to achieve this - he needs to accept it as sufficient, and for his followers to believe it. Which they will.

But, again...I don't know.



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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 01:06 AM

31. Malignant narcissism has a lot of overlap with psychopathic or sociopathic personalities

but I'd definitely keep him in the former group.

Sociopaths and psychopaths tend to operate under the radar. He's got to be the center of attention at all times, watch his body language when the spotlight is elsewhere. Either he looks like somebody let the air out of him or he dances around and pinwheels his arms, anything to get some attention, depending on the situation.

He's just as dangerous as a sociopath or psychopath, maybe more so. He is not going to respond well to being out of power. My guess says he's going to spend his time and his offsprings' inheritance trying to get back at everybody he thinks has deprived him of his god given spotlight and position as king of the world.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #31)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 01:33 AM

36. That need for attention marks him best. Because he seeks it at all costs.

That is one of the reasons I think MN too.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 01:03 AM

30. If he wants to try something it would seem he would do it when the Congress is out of town for

Christmas break.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 01:09 AM

32. Where's James Bond when we need him?

The movies would have handled this before it got out of control. Just before.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 01:12 AM

33. Can you picture Trump walking out of the WH?

It will be a spectacle....

- Millions of joyous people jeering "The Loser" live and on social media with chants, signs, posts, etc.
- Trump diaper baby flying overhead.
- Meeting and congratulating Joe Biden, Exchanging pleasantries with First Lady Dr. Jill Biden and Kamala Harris.
- Reporters, gloating and barely holding back smirks as he walks past them for the last time, as they shout out the questions, "Hey Donnie, what does it feel like to be a LOSER?"

Ain't going to happen....

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Response to Tiger8 (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 01:27 AM

35. No.

Iím with the crowd that thinks heíll leave for the holidays and never go back.

Heís not going to be seen leaving the WH for the last time to make way for his replacement. Under any circumstances.

I just donít see that happening.

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Response to Demobrat (Reply #35)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 01:53 AM

38. I'm with you.

He will either just not return from Mar-a-lago sometime within the next month or he will quietly skip the country from there. I just can't see him allowing even the possibility of being humiliated like that... unless, of course, he has succeeded in gaslighting himself into believing he can get away with it. In that case, who knows...?

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Response to Silver Gaia (Reply #38)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 12:22 PM

45. It all depends on who "has his ear."

They say that Trump is unpredictable, but that's because he's easy to influence.

Hopefully, Alex Jones or Rush Limbaugh won't have access to Trump to convince him to declare martial law or some other wild, dangerous plot.

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Response to Demobrat (Reply #35)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 12:15 PM

44. Yes, we hate him and he hates us...

I don't see him giving his enemies any satisfaction.

And Trump sees everybody as an enemy, unless they financially support him and praise him in some way.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 01:45 AM

37. He ain't gonna start a war - bad for business.

The one thing that consistent with this guy is the grift for money. Before the presidency, during the presidency - and he will be looking for deals after the presidency. The dictators he admires have no constraints in handing out the dosh, but the last thing they want is a big dent in the world economy.

Wars ain't good for golf courses and hotels either. Contraindicated.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 01:58 AM

41. Malignant narcissism of the paranoid sociopathic

type is how a psychologist friend of mine described him. She said psychopathy and sociopathy are highly related as well.

The malignancy will want revenge. I suspect that he won't do anything that would prevent him from exacting revenge upon his many enemies.

Of course, it's a guess, but I don't see him offing himself or burning down the White House. He's highly motivated to survive so he can pay them all back, and doesn't really believe he can't beat the rap (after all, he always has before).

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 02:00 AM

42. I don't know if this is a comfort to you, but I don't believe he's willing to burn himself down, too

He's fighting tooth and nail to salvage his brand right now. We may know what his long term success rate will be there, but I don't believe he does. His narcissism makes him only believe those who prop him up. Of which he still has a plethora of hangers on who are more than willing to spend their days telling him he's right, about everything. No matter how wrong he is about anything. They'll never stand up to him, that is until long after they're in a location, and situation, they think is secured from him.

He's a low rent bully, and a narcissist. Probably also a psychopath on some levels. But, he loves himself way too much to ever damage himself. His adoring entourage will feed his ego enough to make sure that never happens. He's setting himself up for a martyrdom I'm guessing.

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